(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

It doesn't say anything about JMU's "financial model"....JMU is a state supported university. Liberty is a private institution. If anything, LU's $126m endowment (which isn't anything to get excited about) and JMU's even more humble $81m endowment, tell a tale of two schools who haven't developed a culture of giving among their alums and friends.

LU has certainly learned to take advantage of offering on-line academic courses for the revenue they can generate, and that in-turn has certainly helped boost LU's bottom line and campus construction frenzy. Whether that kind of revenue generating model is providing a legit educational return to those paying for it is open to debate....although personally I think it borders on fraud (ala Trump University).

(09-22-2016 10:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Toss up question.
Who has screwed up the most, Liberty or JUM?

LU has been it's own worst enemy. With all it money, facilities, TV network and more, JFJr. is smitten like JFSr. with the allure and seduction of public recognition. He often times opens mouth and inserts foot.

JMU has enjoyed more field success, commendable post FCS post season play and has leadership that steers the ship in circles. If JMU did receive a SBC invite which has been stated many times, what a colossal boondoggle to say no.

While LU and JMU play a CAA and BSC schedule, App State played the U of Miami Saturday at home with 36k+ attendance. And App State has become the darling of the SBC.

LU has got the money but JFJr has a Trumphallure with the Donald. What could go wrong? JMU is still positioned well, or so fans can hope. But if it comes down to money, which it may, LU with all it's blemishes, belches and dufus moves may be first to FBS.

Really? I didn't think they could cram in more than low 30sk.

Edit- nevermind. 34,658 for the Miami game. Beat their old record of 31,531 vs Elon 6 years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidd_Brewer_Stadium

(09-23-2016 11:09 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 10:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Toss up question.
Who has screwed up the most, Liberty or JUM?

LU has been it's own worst enemy. With all it money, facilities, TV network and more, JFJr. is smitten like JFSr. with the allure and seduction of public recognition. He often times opens mouth and inserts foot.

JMU has enjoyed more field success, commendable post FCS post season play and has leadership that steers the ship in circles. If JMU did receive a SBC invite which has been stated many times, what a colossal boondoggle to say no.

While LU and JMU play a CAA and BSC schedule, App State played the U of Miami Saturday at home with 36k+ attendance. And App State has become the darling of the SBC.

LU has got the money but JFJr has a Trumphallure with the Donald. What could go wrong? JMU is still positioned well, or so fans can hope. But if it comes down to money, which it may, LU with all it's blemishes, belches and dufus moves may be first to FBS.

Really? I didn't think they could cram in more than low 30sk.

Edit- nevermind. 34,658 for the Miami game. Beat their old record of 31,531 vs Elon 6 years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidd_Brewer_Stadium

The 34,658 number was set by the fire marshal. It's strange that we hit that exact number and didn't turn anyone away.

(09-23-2016 10:02 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

It doesn't say anything about JMU's "financial model"....JMU is a state supported university. Liberty is a private institution. If anything, LU's $126m endowment (which isn't anything to get excited about) and JMU's even more humble $81m endowment, tell a tale of two schools who haven't developed a culture of giving among their alums and friends.

LU has certainly learned to take advantage of offering on-line academic courses for the revenue they can generate, and that in-turn has certainly helped boost LU's bottom line and campus construction frenzy. Whether that kind of revenue generating model is providing a legit educational return to those paying for it is open to debate....although personally I think it borders on fraud (ala Trump University).

Every thing is part of a financial model. As you noted, that is how we measure.

In 35 years, LU has seen phenomenal growth in all areas.

We hired several LU graduates who work in finance and engineering. Each one of them performs and adds value in an extremely competitive environment. By the way, we have Dukes also.

I want to see JMU grow in stature and impact. Public or private, maybe we, or the state, can learn from what LU has done.

The success of App St in FBS is an example for JMU, LU and perpetual low success, entry-level FBS conference teams in how to make the transition. Who are the most appealing SBC teams now? Arguably it's App St and GaSo. And they are often mentioned as move up or new alignment teams.

Accepting and committing to FBS is easier with past on field program success, FBS ready facilities and team with financial support are critical. LU and JMU have most of the requirements. GaSo and App were ready and we're more stable with leadership and vision.

Then the Coastal invite comes. Coastal's on field success greatly out weighs the other requirements. This was a reality check for JMU and LU of how the process works from a skewed perspective.

The essence is this. Both LU and JMU, especially JMU should immediately accept the first FBS invite. It's like taking a first job to get a better job. If LU can stop with foot in mouth self created obstacles they can benefit the most.

Just watch how App, GaSo, and other SBC teams play this out. They've set the template.



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(09-24-2016 07:15 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  The success of App St in FBS is an example for JMU, LU and perpetual low success, entry-level FBS conference teams in how to make the transition. Who are the most appealing SBC teams now? Arguably it's App St and GaSo. And they are often mentioned as move up or new alignment teams.

Accepting and committing to FBS is easier with past on field program success, FBS ready facilities and team with financial support are critical. LU and JMU have most of the requirements. GaSo and App were ready and we're more stable with leadership and vision.

Then the Coastal invite comes. Coastal's on field success greatly out weighs the other requirements. This was a reality check for JMU and LU of how the process works from a skewed perspective.

The essence is this. Both LU and JMU, especially JMU should immediately accept the first FBS invite. It's like taking a first job to get a better job. If LU can stop with foot in mouth self created obstacles they can benefit the most.

Just watch how App, GaSo, and other SBC teams play this out. They've set the template.



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Bold above, not going to happen.

JMU does not want to leave the CAA, JMU can say all day long that JMU is seeking "the right conference fit" because the right fit does not exist.

Weak AD (way too cozy in the 'Burg) meets two consecutive presidents that don't act on athletics being a university marketing tool have landed JMU where we are and where we will be for a very long time, the CAA, playing tiny schools in the NE that have half our athletic budget and HS facilities.

balanced, monitoring, fluid...should be replaced with
overfunded, complacent, reactive...

wink-wink

(09-24-2016 07:31 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 07:15 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  The success of App St in FBS is an example for JMU, LU and perpetual low success, entry-level FBS conference teams in how to make the transition. Who are the most appealing SBC teams now? Arguably it's App St and GaSo. And they are often mentioned as move up or new alignment teams.

Accepting and committing to FBS is easier with past on field program success, FBS ready facilities and team with financial support are critical. LU and JMU have most of the requirements. GaSo and App were ready and we're more stable with leadership and vision.

Then the Coastal invite comes. Coastal's on field success greatly out weighs the other requirements. This was a reality check for JMU and LU of how the process works from a skewed perspective.

The essence is this. Both LU and JMU, especially JMU should immediately accept the first FBS invite. It's like taking a first job to get a better job. If LU can stop with foot in mouth self created obstacles they can benefit the most.

Just watch how App, GaSo, and other SBC teams play this out. They've set the template.



Sent from my Lenovo TAB 2 A8-50F using CSNbbs mobile app

Bold above, not going to happen.

JMU does not want to leave the CAA, JMU can say all day long that JMU is seeking "the right conference fit" because the right fit does not exist.

Weak AD (way too cozy in the 'Burg) meets two consecutive presidents that don't act on athletics being a university marketing tool have landed JMU where we are and where we will be for a very long time, the CAA, playing tiny schools in the NE that have half our athletic budget and HS facilities.

balanced, monitoring, fluid...should be replaced with
overfunded, complacent, reactive...

wink-wink

Keep the faith PH. If Coastal can get an invite then JMU certainly would deserve one. JMU fans can hope the anticipated next round of expansion will trickle down to create an opening in the SBC, even in the position of weak, inept and lack of visionary leadership. Forget past history. If expansion occurs, a whole new set of needs will be present different from the App, GaSo, GaSt etc... invites. It may even include LU due to supply and demand.

I think JMU is just being patient and waiting for the right offer. What Selig mentioned in his ESPN Radio interview would probably do it. He entertained the idea of a complete G5 shake up and realigning regionally. Said it would be better for the fans, create better rivalries and save money. He mentioned a conference like ODU, JMU, APP State, Georgia Southern, UNCC.

(09-24-2016 08:06 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 07:31 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 07:15 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  The success of App St in FBS is an example for JMU, LU and perpetual low success, entry-level FBS conference teams in how to make the transition. Who are the most appealing SBC teams now? Arguably it's App St and GaSo. And they are often mentioned as move up or new alignment teams.

Accepting and committing to FBS is easier with past on field program success, FBS ready facilities and team with financial support are critical. LU and JMU have most of the requirements. GaSo and App were ready and we're more stable with leadership and vision.

Then the Coastal invite comes. Coastal's on field success greatly out weighs the other requirements. This was a reality check for JMU and LU of how the process works from a skewed perspective.

The essence is this. Both LU and JMU, especially JMU should immediately accept the first FBS invite. It's like taking a first job to get a better job. If LU can stop with foot in mouth self created obstacles they can benefit the most.

Just watch how App, GaSo, and other SBC teams play this out. They've set the template.



Sent from my Lenovo TAB 2 A8-50F using CSNbbs mobile app

Bold above, not going to happen.

JMU does not want to leave the CAA, JMU can say all day long that JMU is seeking "the right conference fit" because the right fit does not exist.

Weak AD (way too cozy in the 'Burg) meets two consecutive presidents that don't act on athletics being a university marketing tool have landed JMU where we are and where we will be for a very long time, the CAA, playing tiny schools in the NE that have half our athletic budget and HS facilities.

balanced, monitoring, fluid...should be replaced with
overfunded, complacent, reactive...

wink-wink

Keep the faith PH. If Coastal can get an invite then JMU certainly would deserve one. JMU fans can hope the anticipated next round of expansion will trickle down to create an opening in the SBC, even in the position of weak, inept and lack of visionary leadership. Forget past history. If expansion occurs, a whole new set of needs will be present different from the App, GaSo, GaSt etc... invites. It may even include LU due to supply and demand.

Getting an invite to the SB has never been the problem for JMU. Accepting the invite is the issue. Regardless of what happens with realignment, our admin will not go to the SB. I disagree with their decision on this, but I've come to accept that there's nothing that will change their minds on this.

(09-24-2016 06:10 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 10:02 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

It doesn't say anything about JMU's "financial model"....JMU is a state supported university. Liberty is a private institution. If anything, LU's $126m endowment (which isn't anything to get excited about) and JMU's even more humble $81m endowment, tell a tale of two schools who haven't developed a culture of giving among their alums and friends.

LU has certainly learned to take advantage of offering on-line academic courses for the revenue they can generate, and that in-turn has certainly helped boost LU's bottom line and campus construction frenzy. Whether that kind of revenue generating model is providing a legit educational return to those paying for it is open to debate....although personally I think it borders on fraud (ala Trump University).

Every thing is part of a financial model. As you noted, that is how we measure.

In 35 years, LU has seen phenomenal growth in all areas.

We hired several LU graduates who work in finance and engineering. Each one of them performs and adds value in an extremely competitive environment. By the way, we have Dukes also.

I want to see JMU grow in stature and impact. Public or private, maybe we, or the state, can learn from what LU has done.

Honestly, there's not a darn thing JMU could learn from the way LU does business, except perhaps how NOT to do something. LU (as a private, closely held, religiously -based organization) is free to peddle themselves as anything their "divinely inspited leader" thinks best, however, the rest of the unwashed masses in Higher Ed leadership (not just in VA, but from around the globe) are also entitled to form objective opinions on what (and how) LU is doing business. At this time, apparently the "LU Way" has generated a tidal way of new revenue, but then again, so did the unscrupulous methods employed by Bernie Madoff.

LU's for-profit model of pushing online college classes of dubious educational value, and then having the unmitigated gall to boast that they have a university enrollment of 80k+ students isn't inherently an act of fraud, but it's rubbing right up against the fence line. LU is at risk of becoming (if it already hasn't become such) a debased diploma mill. At commencement LU should come clean, and just display a cardboard cut-out of the Wizard of Oz handing out diplomas to an endless line of Scarecrows.

Whether LU's new found source of wealth ultimately helps the school
acheive success in its quest to enter the promised land of FBS football only time will tell. If I had to guess, however, LU will be in for a very long wait. Perhaps, in time, the source of LU's income won't matter, and like the proverbial lipstick applied to a pig, LU's makeup will fool enough people for the school to retain some degree of probity. To many people, however, LU will always be just a pig with lipstick. Not that there's anything wrong with being a pig. The world needs more bacon.

(09-24-2016 09:26 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  The world needs more bacon.

I'll put you down as a no vote.

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

If I'm wrong please correct me. On the new US News rankings LU has an endowment of over 1 billion dollars (link below). Is this correct?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

(09-24-2016 09:26 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 06:10 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 10:02 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

It doesn't say anything about JMU's "financial model"....JMU is a state supported university. Liberty is a private institution. If anything, LU's $126m endowment (which isn't anything to get excited about) and JMU's even more humble $81m endowment, tell a tale of two schools who haven't developed a culture of giving among their alums and friends.

LU has certainly learned to take advantage of offering on-line academic courses for the revenue they can generate, and that in-turn has certainly helped boost LU's bottom line and campus construction frenzy. Whether that kind of revenue generating model is providing a legit educational return to those paying for it is open to debate....although personally I think it borders on fraud (ala Trump University).

Every thing is part of a financial model. As you noted, that is how we measure.

In 35 years, LU has seen phenomenal growth in all areas.

We hired several LU graduates who work in finance and engineering. Each one of them performs and adds value in an extremely competitive environment. By the way, we have Dukes also.

I want to see JMU grow in stature and impact. Public or private, maybe we, or the state, can learn from what LU has done.

Honestly, there's not a darn thing JMU could learn from the way LU does business, except perhaps how NOT to do something. LU (as a private, closely held, religiously -based organization) is free to peddle themselves as anything their "divinely inspited leader" thinks best, however, the rest of the unwashed masses in Higher Ed leadership (not just in VA, but from around the globe) are also entitled to form objective opinions on what (and how) LU is doing business. At this time, apparently the "LU Way" has generated a tidal way of new revenue, but then again, so did the unscrupulous methods employed by Bernie Madoff.

LU's for-profit model of pushing online college classes of dubious educational value, and then having the unmitigated gall to boast that they have a university enrollment of 80k+ students isn't inherently an act of fraud, but it's rubbing right up against the fence line. LU is at risk of becoming (if it already hasn't become such) a debased diploma mill. At commencement LU should come clean, and just display a cardboard cut-out of the Wizard of Oz handing out diplomas to an endless line of Scarecrows.

Whether LU's new found source of wealth ultimately helps the school
acheive success in its quest to enter the promised land of FBS football only time will tell. If I had to guess, however, LU will be in for a very long wait. Perhaps, in time, the source of LU's income won't matter, and like the proverbial lipstick applied to a pig, LU's makeup will fool enough people for the school to retain some degree of probity. To many people, however, LU will always be just a pig with lipstick. Not that there's anything wrong with being a pig. The world needs more bacon.

LH, I'll let others take your bait on your comment. If it's true you are an educator at JMU it would help to explain your passionate position. But the thread listed by a JMU fan is about LU and JMU and FBS membership. Rants about worthiness would be more appropriate in a different thread. I remember when you and I had fairly intense bbs dialogue before and after the LU/JMU playoff game. I'm ready to move beyond that.

(09-24-2016 09:26 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 06:10 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 10:02 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

It doesn't say anything about JMU's "financial model"....JMU is a state supported university. Liberty is a private institution. If anything, LU's $126m endowment (which isn't anything to get excited about) and JMU's even more humble $81m endowment, tell a tale of two schools who haven't developed a culture of giving among their alums and friends.

LU has certainly learned to take advantage of offering on-line academic courses for the revenue they can generate, and that in-turn has certainly helped boost LU's bottom line and campus construction frenzy. Whether that kind of revenue generating model is providing a legit educational return to those paying for it is open to debate....although personally I think it borders on fraud (ala Trump University).

Every thing is part of a financial model. As you noted, that is how we measure.

In 35 years, LU has seen phenomenal growth in all areas.

We hired several LU graduates who work in finance and engineering. Each one of them performs and adds value in an extremely competitive environment. By the way, we have Dukes also.

I want to see JMU grow in stature and impact. Public or private, maybe we, or the state, can learn from what LU has done.

Honestly, there's not a darn thing JMU could learn from the way LU does business, except perhaps how NOT to do something. LU (as a private, closely held, religiously -based organization) is free to peddle themselves as anything their "divinely inspited leader" thinks best, however, the rest of the unwashed masses in Higher Ed leadership (not just in VA, but from around the globe) are also entitled to form objective opinions on what (and how) LU is doing business. At this time, apparently the "LU Way" has generated a tidal way of new revenue, but then again, so did the unscrupulous methods employed by Bernie Madoff.

LU's for-profit model of pushing online college classes of dubious educational value, and then having the unmitigated gall to boast that they have a university enrollment of 80k+ students isn't inherently an act of fraud, but it's rubbing right up against the fence line. LU is at risk of becoming (if it already hasn't become such) a debased diploma mill. At commencement LU should come clean, and just display a cardboard cut-out of the Wizard of Oz handing out diplomas to an endless line of Scarecrows.

Whether LU's new found source of wealth ultimately helps the school
acheive success in its quest to enter the promised land of FBS football only time will tell. If I had to guess, however, LU will be in for a very long wait. Perhaps, in time, the source of LU's income won't matter, and like the proverbial lipstick applied to a pig, LU's makeup will fool enough people for the school to retain some degree of probity. To many people, however, LU will always be just a pig with lipstick. Not that there's anything wrong with being a pig. The world needs more bacon.

I understand your comments about LU's "financial model," for there are many obvious differences between JMU and LU. As for the "dubious educational value" comment, you are entitled to your opinion. I have done graduate work at LU because the programs were germaine to my field. They have been valuable in my situation, and I know the hard work the degrees required. My experience involved various instructional platforms, including on-campus intensives and distance (my level is more research related post grad type stuff). Other LU grads I know who have done the distance learning degrees put in a lot of hard work and are doing quite well. Interesting to me is the fact that many schools are utilizing the on-line format to offer degree programs- Penn St, U of Florida, Boston U, FSU, Drexel, Northeastern, Arizona State, Indiana U, U Mass, CFU, CSU etc etc etc. I get your point, but you appear to paint with a broad bush when it comes to on-line education, or perhaps you simply have something against LU.

I hope LU is FBS in the near future. It would mean one of two things, both progressional:
1) The Big12 shake up occurred and JMU is FBS too
2) LU is added to list of programs passing JMU and we can finally start organizing the mob and start looking for Bourne and Alger.

(09-24-2016 10:40 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

If I'm wrong please correct me. On the new US News rankings LU has an endowment of over 1 billion dollars (link below). Is this correct?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Net Assets are just under $1b. Endowment is $126M

(09-27-2016 06:34 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 10:40 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

If I'm wrong please correct me. On the new US News rankings LU has an endowment of over 1 billion dollars (link below). Is this correct?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Net Assets are just under $1b. Endowment is $126M

Makes a lot more sense and I would guess a huge chunk of that endowment came from Falwell upon his death. Nevertheless, makes me question why we aren't double where we are.

I keep hoping/waiting for Liberty to try to sue its way into FBS as an independent. The requirement of an invite from an FBS conference is likely to be an antitrust violation. And the threat or the actual filing of a lawsuit may be enough for the NCAA to drop this requirement. Of course, I don't actually see this affecting us as there is about a 1% chance of our admin willing to become an FBS independent.

(09-27-2016 05:50 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 06:34 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 10:40 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 08:44 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Post script to my last post...

If fans/supporters who profess to support JMU were as passionate about building JMU's endowment as they were about the freaking athletic conference that the university competes in, perhaps we'd be less concerned about being ranked the "#2 regional public university" in the South.

The truth is, when a broadcaster refers to "little Jimmy Madison" they aren't concerned about the size of the student body, or the number of acres our campus occupies. It's all about the Benjamins. At of the close of the 2015 fiscal year and last national report, JMU truly is "little Jimmy Madison" ranking 490th out of 806 institutions when comparing the size of our endowment to other institutions. Size does matter.

$81,948,279...that's where JMU's endowment sits, and don't kid yourself, changing conference affiliations from the CAA to the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA isn't going to move the needle.

LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

If I'm wrong please correct me. On the new US News rankings LU has an endowment of over 1 billion dollars (link below). Is this correct?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Net Assets are just under $1b. Endowment is $126M

Makes a lot more sense and I would guess a huge chunk of that endowment came from Falwell upon his death. Nevertheless, makes me question why we aren't double where we are.

No doubt JMU should be doing better historically in the area of building its endowment, but I've long thought that the beauty of our campus, coupled to the near constant construction of one new building after another, has left our alums with misleading impression that JMU is rolling in dough.

I'd be curious to know what value JMU places on its infrastructure (i.e. the replacement value of the university's land and buildings). It wouldn't surprise me that it's well over a billion $$.

(09-28-2016 03:39 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 05:50 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 06:34 AM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 10:40 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 09:50 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  LU has $126m endowment and when I graduated from HS in 1981, Liberty Baptist College was a small start up. What does that say about our current financial model?

If I'm wrong please correct me. On the new US News rankings LU has an endowment of over 1 billion dollars (link below). Is this correct?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...sity-10392

Net Assets are just under $1b. Endowment is $126M

Makes a lot more sense and I would guess a huge chunk of that endowment came from Falwell upon his death. Nevertheless, makes me question why we aren't double where we are.

No doubt JMU should be doing better historically in the area of building its endowment, but I've long thought that the beauty of our campus, coupled to the near constant construction of one new building after another, has left our alums with misleading impression that JMU is rolling in dough.

I'd be curious to know what value JMU places on its infrastructure (i.e. the replacement value of the university's land and buildings). It wouldn't surprise me that it's well over a billion $$.

How do we cover up 81 and plant grass on top of the tunnel?