(09-20-2016 09:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:14 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 08:35 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  He was 54-56 at UL. Took them to two bowl games in his 10 seasons there.

On campus Howard Schnellenberger statue NOW!!!

He won 8 games his first 3 years

Plus bowl games meant more back in the late 80s early 90s and there weren't a million of them

Ever hear of the Fiesta Bowl? 1991 Lousiville 34 Alabama 7

Oh and for the Jurich did everything crowd :

Schnellenberger's lasting legacy at U of L however, is Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, which he proposed from the minute he arrived. Schnellenberger planned and raised the money for its construction, but left for Oklahoma before the stadium opened. In 2006, Louisville named the Cardinals' football fieldhouse the Howard L. Schnellenberger Football Complex with Schnellenberger in attendance before U of L's game against Florida Atlantic University.[10] The most valuable player award for the UofL and UK is also named after him because he was born and raised in Louisville and he played college at Kentucky.

Then the next year he went 2-9, then 5-6. He didn't keep the momentum.

The next seven seasons (combined Howard and Ron Cooper) UofL went 35-43.

Then John L. Smith was hired. 5 straight winning records. 5 straight bowl games. 62-41 record. Then Pitrino.

Hell, UCF won a real BCS Bowl a few years ago. How has that worked out for them.

He coached in a modified minor league beisbol park and took them to 2 one big bowl and one decent one. Beat Alabama and Michigan St. He sucked so bad that Oklahoma hired him.

My point is everyone thinks it's all on the AD and it's not. A good football coach who can sell his program to the community is a must. We never had that here after Rex. Stobart had a couple of good years but had the personality of a door knob.


I'm willing to bet the 1990 season got the ball rolling for the facilities improvements at the UofL

How ever it got rolling, rolling it did & it is still ascending........our university & its leadership has to think bigger than big to even give it a chance to happen. And for some reasons, our university never thinks really big.

We just don't have the money. Fred can't pay for everything

(09-20-2016 09:22 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:14 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 08:35 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  He won 8 games his first 3 years

Plus bowl games meant more back in the late 80s early 90s and there weren't a million of them

Ever hear of the Fiesta Bowl? 1991 Lousiville 34 Alabama 7

Oh and for the Jurich did everything crowd :

Schnellenberger's lasting legacy at U of L however, is Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, which he proposed from the minute he arrived. Schnellenberger planned and raised the money for its construction, but left for Oklahoma before the stadium opened. In 2006, Louisville named the Cardinals' football fieldhouse the Howard L. Schnellenberger Football Complex with Schnellenberger in attendance before U of L's game against Florida Atlantic University.[10] The most valuable player award for the UofL and UK is also named after him because he was born and raised in Louisville and he played college at Kentucky.

Then the next year he went 2-9, then 5-6. He didn't keep the momentum.

The next seven seasons (combined Howard and Ron Cooper) UofL went 35-43.

Then John L. Smith was hired. 5 straight winning records. 5 straight bowl games. 62-41 record. Then Pitrino.

Hell, UCF won a real BCS Bowl a few years ago. How has that worked out for them.

He coached in a modified minor league beisbol park and took them to 2 one big bowl and one decent one. Beat Alabama and Michigan St. He sucked so bad that Oklahoma hired him.

My point is everyone thinks it's all on the AD and it's not. A good football coach who can sell his program to the community is a must. We never had that here after Rex. Stobart had a couple of good years but had the personality of a door knob.


I'm willing to bet the 1990 season got the ball rolling for the facilities improvements at the UofL

How ever it got rolling, rolling it did & it is still ascending........our university & its leadership has to think bigger than big to even give it a chance to happen. And for some reasons, our university never thinks really big.

We just don't have the money. Fred can't pay for everything

Not asking Fred. Asking the admin to think big, plan big & find a way to make it happen. That's how virtually everything worth having occurs. Someone thinks big, someone is inspired by the thinking, someone devises the plan & someone finds a way to fund it. The someone can be diverse groups.......think small, look to Fred & it's too limiting.

(09-20-2016 10:32 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:22 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:14 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 08:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Then the next year he went 2-9, then 5-6. He didn't keep the momentum.

The next seven seasons (combined Howard and Ron Cooper) UofL went 35-43.

Then John L. Smith was hired. 5 straight winning records. 5 straight bowl games. 62-41 record. Then Pitrino.

Hell, UCF won a real BCS Bowl a few years ago. How has that worked out for them.

He coached in a modified minor league beisbol park and took them to 2 one big bowl and one decent one. Beat Alabama and Michigan St. He sucked so bad that Oklahoma hired him.

My point is everyone thinks it's all on the AD and it's not. A good football coach who can sell his program to the community is a must. We never had that here after Rex. Stobart had a couple of good years but had the personality of a door knob.


I'm willing to bet the 1990 season got the ball rolling for the facilities improvements at the UofL

How ever it got rolling, rolling it did & it is still ascending........our university & its leadership has to think bigger than big to even give it a chance to happen. And for some reasons, our university never thinks really big.

We just don't have the money. Fred can't pay for everything

Not asking Fred. Asking the admin to think big, plan big & find a way to make it happen. That's how virtually everything worth having occurs. Someone thinks big, someone is inspired by the thinking, someone devises the plan & someone finds a way to fund it. The someone can be diverse groups.......think small, look to Fred & it's too limiting.

All that thinking does no good without cash

(09-20-2016 10:43 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  All that thinking does no good without cash

I can think of two specific examples of the school turning down cash too:

One was the casino debacle, where Shirley said no to accepting money from a casino for advertising...something like that...even though Ole Miss was.

The other was when some sports drink or performance company wanted to invest in the Tiger football program and again, Shirley and/or RC said no.

(09-20-2016 10:47 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 10:43 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  All that thinking does no good without cash

I can think of two specific examples of the school turning down cash too:

One was the casino debacle, where Shirley said no to accepting money from a casino for advertising...something like that...even though Ole Miss was.

The other was when some sports drink or performance company wanted to invest in the Tiger football program and again, Shirley and/or RC said no.

Let's not forget how they didn't want to sell throwbacks because they were afraid to confuse the fan base

I wonder if RC and Shirley didn't do us a favor...
just kidding but stuff like this does make you wonder.
Memphis could not handle this.

We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

(09-19-2016 10:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 09:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I feel a little sick to my stomach and wonder... what if?

What if we had made the same forward thinking investments they did?

What if we had hired a President like Dr Rudd who values college athletics as the front door of the university, as opposed to a stick in the mud like Shirley Raines?

What if we had hired an AD the caliber of Tom Jurich or Tom Bowen back 20 years ago?

What if we had made a run at a quality football coach?


It all starts with vision and leadership, and while we have it in place now... boy wouldn't it have been nice to leaders with vision back in the mid 90's.

I too remember the days when Memphis would schedule Louisville as one of its filler guaranteed win games. When Louisville coach Lee Corso was waving the white flag with Memphis up 69-0. But, Louisville really gained momentum with the Louisville AD, Tom Jurich. But even before, UK didn't prevent Louisville from having its own med school & that helped Louisville gain academic credibility. Then the OCS & other substantial facilities investments.

And all the while our university has thought small, capitulated to short-sighted state & city interests & we continue to fret & wallow in mediocrity. Even now with all the improvements (and they are major for our university), we are still thinking small. And the city & state continue to miss that that a strong University of Memphis is directly beneficial to city, state & region. Our university should have ownership of the UT-Med School @ Memphis, we should have an OCS & OCA - and it would directly benefit the university (obviously) but more importantly the city (property tax base for surrounding private investment & tourism) & the state. And grow the region. Ironically, a strong P-5 University of Memphis with a strong research endowment would over time be more economically beneficial to the states of MS & AR respectively than OM & UA, in addition to the strength it would bring west TN.

NO vision & short-sighted politicians who look to personal gain & control rather than an independent, strong & prosperous University of Memphis to fuel the economy of the region.

Well they started as a Medical Education Institution.

The University of Louisville School of Medicine at the University of Louisville is a medical school located in Louisville, Kentucky, United States. Opened as the Louisville Medical Institute in 1837, it is one of the oldest medical schools in North America.

University of Louisville researchers achieved the first implantation of the first fully self-contained artificial heart, the first successful hand transplant in the world,the first five hand transplants in the United States and nine hand transplants in eight recipients as of 2008, the first discovery of embryonic-like stem cells in adult human bone marrow, and the first proof that adult nasal stem cells can grow to become other types of cells.In 2013, U.S. News & World Report ranked the University of Louisville School of Medicine #76 in research in its annual list of Best Medical Schools in the United States.

The school offers several dual degree programs including MD/MS, MD/MA, MD/MBA, MD/MPH, and MD/PhD degrees. For the 2013 entering class, 159 students enrolled in the Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) program.

In May 2013, Dr. Toni M. Ganzel was selected as the next dean of the School of Medicine.
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(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Some of the OCS folks say it's gets the alumni back on campus. Yet the same ones want a stadium built at Audubon Park

(09-20-2016 02:51 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Some of the OCS folks say it's gets the alumni back on campus. Yet the same ones want a stadium built at Audubon Park

Only someone with less sense than you would want a stadium at Audubon Park.

Not enough parking as it is.

(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Because it puts alumni back on campus... where many Memphis grads never return. Winning doesn't help the business school raise money, but an open house/ fund raising drive the morning of a Memphis home game gives the school of business an opportunity to have former grads drop in. Fraternities would see giving increase, as well. The more active and visible alumni are on the campus of the university, the greater the opportunity for the ENTIRE university to benefit. Its extremely short-sighted to look at it only through the lens of the athletic department.

(09-20-2016 02:51 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Some of the OCS folks say it's gets the alumni back on campus. Yet the same ones want a stadium built at Audubon Park

Bull5hit. Who? Not me. Not anyone serious about the positive effects of an OCS. What good would THAT do? None.

(09-19-2016 10:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 09:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I feel a little sick to my stomach and wonder... what if?

What if we had made the same forward thinking investments they did?

What if we had hired a President like Dr Rudd who values college athletics as the front door of the university, as opposed to a stick in the mud like Shirley Raines?

What if we had hired an AD the caliber of Tom Jurich or Tom Bowen back 20 years ago?

What if we had made a run at a quality football coach?


It all starts with vision and leadership, and while we have it in place now... boy wouldn't it have been nice to leaders with vision back in the mid 90's.

I too remember the days when Memphis would schedule Louisville as one of its filler guaranteed win games. When Louisville coach Lee Corso was waving the white flag with Memphis up 69-0. But, Louisville really gained momentum with the Louisville AD, Tom Jurich. But even before, UK didn't prevent Louisville from having its own med school & that helped Louisville gain academic credibility. Then the OCS & other substantial facilities investments.

And all the while our university has thought small, capitulated to short-sighted state & city interests & we continue to fret & wallow in mediocrity. Even now with all the improvements (and they are major for our university), we are still thinking small. And the city & state continue to miss that that a strong University of Memphis is directly beneficial to city, state & region. Our university should have ownership of the UT-Med School @ Memphis, we should have an OCS & OCA - and it would directly benefit the university (obviously) but more importantly the city (property tax base for surrounding private investment & tourism) & the state. And grow the region. Ironically, a strong P-5 University of Memphis with a strong research endowment would over time be more economically beneficial to the states of MS & AR respectively than OM & UA, in addition to the strength it would bring west TN.

NO vision & short-sighted politicians who look to personal gain & control rather than an independent, strong & prosperous University of Memphis to fuel the economy of the region.

no doubt. strong points from top to bottom

(09-20-2016 07:45 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Because it puts alumni back on campus... where many Memphis grads never return. Winning doesn't help the business school raise money, but an open house/ fund raising drive the morning of a Memphis home game gives the school of business an opportunity to have former grads drop in. Fraternities would see giving increase, as well. The more active and visible alumni are on the campus of the university, the greater the opportunity for the ENTIRE university to benefit. Its extremely short-sighted to look at it only through the lens of the athletic department.

Well put. I would add...

One of the BIGGEST problems of no alumni giving stems from the type of student we enroll. Who do we get? We get the people who chose Memphis as a backup to their first choice, but they found out they can't afford their first choice. Why was somewhere else their first choice?

Campus experience.

And I don't mean the experience of going to class. As we build more and more student housing, approaching half the total enrollment in number of beds on or next to campus, the issue becomes more and more pertinent. If you can't walk out of your dorm room, frat house, campus-adjacent housing (like The Gathering), and walk across campus to go to a game, having your own facility, but on an ancillary campus like South Campus or Audubon Park would be a total waste.

Campus experience.

People wanted to go to Mississippi State for that campus experience. All of the best facilities, plus you never have to leave campus for sporting events and comradery with your fellow students. But that out-of-state tuition cancelling scholarship just wasn't enough. Plus, you can't use the Hope out-of-state. So they end up here. But it never was their first choice.

So you think you are going to convert them to Memphis fans and GOOD Alumni without ANY major sports on campus and a repressed fraternity system?

No. You're not. Not on average. Oh, sure, you will retain 10 or 15% of the grads as "interested" in the health of their alma matre. But as someone said in an earlier thread, for the most part, they leave campus once they graduate never to return again for any reason.

Instead of Memphis being their alma matre, Memphis is just a memory.

Campus experience.

(09-20-2016 03:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:51 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:42 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We have to be able to average more than $10 per ticket. We must get football revenues up. It's why the Liberty Bowl has been such a drag on the program. It's too big... It's off campus... It's not ours...

The University will sink 62 million in a damn new student union but will continue to rent out the Liberty Bowl. A new stadium on campus would exponentially increase alumni giving. A new student union... well, it will be the third since I graduated and alumni giving percentages are still in the crapper.

And just why would an OCS "exponentially increase alumni giving"? I have never understood that argument. Winning increases giving - period. The LB still seems like a pretty good place to play - it's large enough, appears to be well-maintained, and looks good on TV, as well. It does have a unique shape but I like the fact that there appears to have actually been some thought regarding artistic design when it was conceived - unlike many other college stadiums, where the only goal seemed to be put in as many seats as efficiently (and cheaply) as possible.

Some of the OCS folks say it's gets the alumni back on campus. Yet the same ones want a stadium built at Audubon Park

Only someone with less sense than you would want a stadium at Audubon Park.

shouldn't use those words towards our ambassadors.

(09-19-2016 04:16 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  When I watch Louisville play I think of all of the players they have that were kicked out of other schools, I think of a coach who walked out on an NFL team during the season and Harley-Davidsons come to mind.

Literally 2. One had a case dismissed and the other got booted for smoking weed. Total outlaws.

As for the other stuff I'd love to see you guys step up. Always thought you or UC would as you were the only programs most of us considered peers in our various conferences. Like somebody said earlier in the thread, there is the sense among Louisville fans that I socialize with that Memphis is from "back home" and the generational familiarity with our rivals is something some of us miss despite the bright lights and shiny things.

(09-23-2016 01:28 PM)L-yes Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:16 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  When I watch Louisville play I think of all of the players they have that were kicked out of other schools, I think of a coach who walked out on an NFL team during the season and Harley-Davidsons come to mind.

Literally 2. One had a case dismissed and the other got booted for smoking weed. Total outlaws.

As for the other stuff I'd love to see you guys step up. Always thought you or UC would as you were the only programs most of us considered peers in our various conferences. Like somebody said earlier in the thread, there is the sense among Louisville fans that I socialize with that Memphis is from "back home" and the generational familiarity with our rivals is something some of us miss despite the bright lights and shiny things.

So slumming over here allows you to wax nostalgic when your bored of pissing matches with FSU, VA Tech and Carolina fans?

(09-23-2016 03:41 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 01:28 PM)L-yes Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:16 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  When I watch Louisville play I think of all of the players they have that were kicked out of other schools, I think of a coach who walked out on an NFL team during the season and Harley-Davidsons come to mind.

Literally 2. One had a case dismissed and the other got booted for smoking weed. Total outlaws.

As for the other stuff I'd love to see you guys step up. Always thought you or UC would as you were the only programs most of us considered peers in our various conferences. Like somebody said earlier in the thread, there is the sense among Louisville fans that I socialize with that Memphis is from "back home" and the generational familiarity with our rivals is something some of us miss despite the bright lights and shiny things.

So slumming over here allows you to wax nostalgic when your bored of pissing matches with FSU, VA Tech and Carolina fans?

Yeah pretty much. Been nice visiting, so glad catching up, we want to stay but Clemson is having the espn gameday show, and us over this week so we really gotta get back.. You know how that is.. We really have to do this again. So much fun! Right.

Seriously though. We miss hating you guys, get your act together, right the course and lets get back to hating on an even playing field.