Rick Gerlach
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RE: Bailiff Coaching Tree
(09-18-2016 09:26 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: (09-18-2016 12:44 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: (09-17-2016 06:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: (09-17-2016 03:37 PM)Antarius Wrote: (09-17-2016 10:29 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: i doubt any of the bolded were team goals in 2016, either. But what Bailiff said was the goals were intact, not that any had been achieved.
I am presuming the goals he referred to were (a) to win the conference, and (b) to go to a bowl. It could be the goal was merely to win the division.
While it is unlikely that any of those goals will be attained, at this point they are still attainable, and thus intact.
But I will ask again, what team goals that were set before this season are now unattainable?
Top 25. As stated by the AD
Is that the team's goal for this season or the AD's goal to eventually get there?
Starting this year?
If I understood JK right when he said it, it was HIS goal, not a team goal, and it was a goal to reach at some some point in the future, not neccesarily this year.
But if it was a team goal for this year, I would like to add undefeated and unscored upon to the list of realistic goals. That's MY goal, but since they all count...
For a bunch of guys who think realism is the opposite of optimism, do you think top 25 was a realistic goal at the start of the year? I don't even think a goal of a conference championship was realistic, and how so many of you can predict 4-8 or 5-7 and hold a top25 as a realistic goal is beyond me.
I think this is just more desire to bash anything Bailiff says.
I agree, though, he would have be better off saying we still have a chance at a conference championship and a bowl, rather than "our goals are still intact".
OO, do you have the secret to the fountain of youth? How long do you plan to live, 150 years? Come on. The stated goal of all teams in Top 25 was from several years ago. The problem with your 'eventually" in this scenario is that Bailiff is going backwards again. How does regressing downwards in almost every area "eventually" get Rice into the Top 25? The board had a whole thread about whether we were "plateauing" (with many arguing we were definitely still on an upward climb--that's a riot) and now we're in free-fall and some won't just admit this coach doesn't have it and after 10 years likely never will.
I thought that Baylor looked beatable compared to what we're used to seeing from them. And we had the perfect setup for a signature win. Except Bailiff is still head coach, and his "superior recruiting" got us a 5th year QB who passed for 33 yards, an offense that has scored but 38 points in 3 games, two of which were against arguably mediocre teams (WKU hasn't looked to great since pasting us; Army is better than they were, but still no great shakes.) Bailiff is an average recruiter--he gets a few good ones, clearly, but has a lot of others as well. He can't put together the legos even with the instruction booklet. He can't cook a bowl of cereal, he can only smile and eat it.
Yes, we'll win next week when the "regular season" begins because did you see North Texas? They are sadly looking even worse than us, and that's an achievement right there. Thing is, there are still several more "preseason games" sprinkled within our schedule. Most of the good things that have happened to the football program recently have happened in spite of the coach. Think how much better things would be for Rice if the coach was pulling his weight. Oh--don't get me started.
GO, let's not conflate performance with goals, and let's not conflate team goals as expressed yearly by the team with general goals as expressed by the AD.
So far none of our teams have made top25 in any sport, AFAIK. it remains a goal for JK for all our teams, and a goal I support.
But was top25 one of the goals on the whiteboard in the locker room before the first game? If so, then I hope National Championship and undefeated season were there, too, because those are every year goals too. I think our guys are smart enough to know when a goal is pie in the sky.
let's say that Bailiff is fired after this season, as seems likely, and the next guy takes us to the top 25 in three years. I think JK will be saying goal achieved.
If we are going backward, it is irrelevant to the question of whether top25 was a team goal for this year.
Fire Bailiff. Go ahead. I'm not in your way. You seem to think my statements were some sort of "Let's keep him philosophy". But they were not. They were just a nit-picky way of saying that what Bailiff said was probably technically right. Technically. On the goals HE and THE TEAM set. Not on JK's goals, or Leebron's goals, or your goals or my goals.
So i let it pass, and so what. Just another twig on the Bailiff bonfire, and to what gain? Now we need to twist every word he says?
I hope we handle North Texas. Much better to win than not. But nothing will stay the flood of criticism Bailiff will get, even in victory. Say we win 80-0. Think this board will be filled with accodlades? I'll take that bet. So, I am tired this board for taking every little thing and twisting it, just to "get" Bailiff. The performance of our offense? sure, lots there to criticize. The way the coach phrased a post game statement? About a 1 on a 1-10 scale. Recruiting? Legitimate topic for discussion, but based on Stehling alone? I thought way too much was made of DJ. Your guys wanted him installed as double secret starter after the AFA game, Maybe Bailiff listened to much to us. I thought Stehling should have been the starter last year. As many have said, maybe those reps would be making a difference this year.
I just hope we fire Bailiff, so this eternal nit-picking at everything he does and says will stop, and we will enter an era of adoration at everything the next guy says and does, even if it is the same as Bailiff.
I guarantee you, if our new coach next year says after an 0-3 start that our goals are still intact, it will pass unremarked here.
Coaches do our recruiting. I'll say that up front. So they are responsible for our roster, good or bad (obviously subject to the constraints that Rice is subject to, including one we've eliminated with the EZF).
One of the 'criticisms' that we get often around here, is that the coaches are always 'playing the wrong players'. Last year, it is assumed the we should constantly be pulling DJ, or that German should've stayed at QB, or 'that we never play underclassmen.'
1. I've never seen evidence to suggest our coaches are not correctly assessing who the best player is at a given position and who gives us the best chance at winning ball games.
2. I've never seen evidence that we would play anyone 'because it is his turn'. We have a freshman running back getting significant time this year, as yet another example disproving the supposition. Our best players (Gaines, Callahan, Covington, Dillard, etc, etc,) all started well before their senior year.
Our coaches are under pressure to win, (and in 2012-2014, they did). In light of that, they put the players out there they think will help the most. German went in at QB this week, albeit in a role that was aligned with his talent and strengths, in an attempt by the coaches to bring more weapons to bear.
Stehling's performance so far this year, may be an indication of why the coaches chose to play DJ as much as they did last year. Until the final game, they were trying to win and go to a bowl.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It tends to work best if we're playing teams who have the same level of talent that we have.
But the coaches are not rolling dice, or cutting cards to see who gets playing time.
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2016 05:38 PM by Rick Gerlach.)
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