Including March Madness.

Looks like Duke will finally have to play out of state in the first two rounds.

A few breach of contract lawsuits will put an end to the PC bull-crap.

(09-13-2016 11:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  A few breach of contract lawsuits will put an end to the PC bull-crap.

Not going to happen.

(09-13-2016 07:37 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 11:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  A few breach of contract lawsuits will put an end to the PC bull-crap.

Not going to happen.

Most likely not, since no one has the balls to go out on that limb due to the hatchet job they would receive from the media.

But if they did it just one time you would see a major change from these groups who feel they can break agreements just because they do not like someone's position on an issue.

After a few sports leagues, or concerts have to pay up for breach if contract the others will not be so quick to break their agreements.

Sports and entertainment contracts today are not worth the paper they are written on.

Maybe some class action suits by business owners who lost money due to the breach of contract.

Good for the NCAA and maybe the ACC will do the same with the ACCCG in Charlotte (or if they have any future ACC Tournaments in the state).

Someone who argued about it better than I could.

Quote:HB2 wipes out any and all local ordinances on discrimination and pay.

So, if Fayetteville or Jacksonville want to pass an ordinance offering service members and veterans connected to Fort Bragg or Camp Lejeune preferred parking or an extra discount on school supplies, they can’t. HB2 makes that illegal.

So, if Asheville wants to implement a a minimum wage hike to help local workers deal with insane costs of housing in the mountains, they can’t. HB2 makes it illegal.

HB2 forbids state courts from hearing any discrimination claims at all.

So, if you get fired because you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, male, whatever – you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

So, if your wife gets paid $9 an hour to do a job a guy with 2 years less experience got paid $20, you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

HB2 allows business and government employees to discriminate against gay people.

So, if your business wants to tell a gay person to take a hike, then HB2 is cool with that. If a government employee wants to refuse to deal with someone because they are gay, then HB2 is cool with that.

And if you are cool with that, then you better not be on here complaining about the NCAA exercising its right to pick venues in different states. You really can’t have it both ways.

(09-13-2016 09:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Good for the NCAA and maybe the ACC will do the same with the ACCCG in Charlotte (or if they have any future ACC Tournaments in the state).

Someone who argued about it better than I could.

Quote:HB2 wipes out any and all local ordinances on discrimination and pay.

So, if Fayetteville or Jacksonville want to pass an ordinance offering service members and veterans connected to Fort Bragg or Camp Lejeune preferred parking or an extra discount on school supplies, they can’t. HB2 makes that illegal.

So, if Asheville wants to implement a a minimum wage hike to help local workers deal with insane costs of housing in the mountains, they can’t. HB2 makes it illegal.

HB2 forbids state courts from hearing any discrimination claims at all.

So, if you get fired because you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, male, whatever – you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

So, if your wife gets paid $9 an hour to do a job a guy with 2 years less experience got paid $20, you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

HB2 allows business and government employees to discriminate against gay people.

So, if your business wants to tell a gay person to take a hike, then HB2 is cool with that. If a government employee wants to refuse to deal with someone because they are gay, then HB2 is cool with that.

And if you are cool with that, then you better not be on here complaining about the NCAA exercising its right to pick venues in different states. You really can’t have it both ways.

Besides the fact that the argument being total 100% Grade A bull****. It is completely a false representation of what the law says. Leftist intentionally lying about what a law says or does is common place.

Maybe it would be good if you were to ACTUALLY read the law instead of listening to lies put out by special interest groups.

http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/H...F/H2v1.pdf

Basically the laws says that all GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC SECTOR (not private sector) facilities provide single sex restroom or changing areas based on the sex of the person on their birth certificate. But why should we allow facts to get in the way with liberal propaganda and lies?


It has no legal bearing on what the NCAA did. If you disagree with their position then in the future do not go to those locations.

BUT if you have an agreement in place you should be legally required to abide by that deal.

(09-14-2016 12:28 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 09:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Good for the NCAA and maybe the ACC will do the same with the ACCCG in Charlotte (or if they have any future ACC Tournaments in the state).

Someone who argued about it better than I could.

Quote:HB2 wipes out any and all local ordinances on discrimination and pay.

So, if Fayetteville or Jacksonville want to pass an ordinance offering service members and veterans connected to Fort Bragg or Camp Lejeune preferred parking or an extra discount on school supplies, they can’t. HB2 makes that illegal.

So, if Asheville wants to implement a a minimum wage hike to help local workers deal with insane costs of housing in the mountains, they can’t. HB2 makes it illegal.

HB2 forbids state courts from hearing any discrimination claims at all.

So, if you get fired because you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, male, whatever – you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

So, if your wife gets paid $9 an hour to do a job a guy with 2 years less experience got paid $20, you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

HB2 allows business and government employees to discriminate against gay people.

So, if your business wants to tell a gay person to take a hike, then HB2 is cool with that. If a government employee wants to refuse to deal with someone because they are gay, then HB2 is cool with that.

And if you are cool with that, then you better not be on here complaining about the NCAA exercising its right to pick venues in different states. You really can’t have it both ways.

Besides the fact that the argument being total 100% Grade A bull****. It is completely a false representation of what the law says. Leftist intentionally lying about what a law says or does is common place.

Maybe it would be good if you were to ACTUALLY read the law instead of listening to lies put out by special interest groups.

http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/H...F/H2v1.pdf

Basically the laws says that all GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC SECTOR (not private sector) facilities provide single sex restroom or changing areas based on the sex of the person on their birth certificate. But why should we allow facts to get in the way with liberal propaganda and lies?


It has no legal bearing on what the NCAA did. If you disagree with their position then in the future do not go to those locations.

BUT if you have an agreement in place you should be legally required to abide by that deal.

I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

(09-14-2016 11:51 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:28 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 09:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Good for the NCAA and maybe the ACC will do the same with the ACCCG in Charlotte (or if they have any future ACC Tournaments in the state).

Someone who argued about it better than I could.

Quote:HB2 wipes out any and all local ordinances on discrimination and pay.

So, if Fayetteville or Jacksonville want to pass an ordinance offering service members and veterans connected to Fort Bragg or Camp Lejeune preferred parking or an extra discount on school supplies, they can’t. HB2 makes that illegal.

So, if Asheville wants to implement a a minimum wage hike to help local workers deal with insane costs of housing in the mountains, they can’t. HB2 makes it illegal.

HB2 forbids state courts from hearing any discrimination claims at all.

So, if you get fired because you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, male, whatever – you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

So, if your wife gets paid $9 an hour to do a job a guy with 2 years less experience got paid $20, you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

HB2 allows business and government employees to discriminate against gay people.

So, if your business wants to tell a gay person to take a hike, then HB2 is cool with that. If a government employee wants to refuse to deal with someone because they are gay, then HB2 is cool with that.

And if you are cool with that, then you better not be on here complaining about the NCAA exercising its right to pick venues in different states. You really can’t have it both ways.

Besides the fact that the argument being total 100% Grade A bull****. It is completely a false representation of what the law says. Leftist intentionally lying about what a law says or does is common place.

Maybe it would be good if you were to ACTUALLY read the law instead of listening to lies put out by special interest groups.

http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/H...F/H2v1.pdf

Basically the laws says that all GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC SECTOR (not private sector) facilities provide single sex restroom or changing areas based on the sex of the person on their birth certificate. But why should we allow facts to get in the way with liberal propaganda and lies?


It has no legal bearing on what the NCAA did. If you disagree with their position then in the future do not go to those locations.

BUT if you have an agreement in place you should be legally required to abide by that deal.

I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

(09-14-2016 02:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 11:51 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:28 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 09:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Good for the NCAA and maybe the ACC will do the same with the ACCCG in Charlotte (or if they have any future ACC Tournaments in the state).

Someone who argued about it better than I could.

Quote:HB2 wipes out any and all local ordinances on discrimination and pay.

So, if Fayetteville or Jacksonville want to pass an ordinance offering service members and veterans connected to Fort Bragg or Camp Lejeune preferred parking or an extra discount on school supplies, they can’t. HB2 makes that illegal.

So, if Asheville wants to implement a a minimum wage hike to help local workers deal with insane costs of housing in the mountains, they can’t. HB2 makes it illegal.

HB2 forbids state courts from hearing any discrimination claims at all.

So, if you get fired because you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, female, male, whatever – you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

So, if your wife gets paid $9 an hour to do a job a guy with 2 years less experience got paid $20, you have to hire a federal lawyer and go to federal court.

HB2 allows business and government employees to discriminate against gay people.

So, if your business wants to tell a gay person to take a hike, then HB2 is cool with that. If a government employee wants to refuse to deal with someone because they are gay, then HB2 is cool with that.

And if you are cool with that, then you better not be on here complaining about the NCAA exercising its right to pick venues in different states. You really can’t have it both ways.

Besides the fact that the argument being total 100% Grade A bull****. It is completely a false representation of what the law says. Leftist intentionally lying about what a law says or does is common place.

Maybe it would be good if you were to ACTUALLY read the law instead of listening to lies put out by special interest groups.

http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/H...F/H2v1.pdf

Basically the laws says that all GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC SECTOR (not private sector) facilities provide single sex restroom or changing areas based on the sex of the person on their birth certificate. But why should we allow facts to get in the way with liberal propaganda and lies?


It has no legal bearing on what the NCAA did. If you disagree with their position then in the future do not go to those locations.

BUT if you have an agreement in place you should be legally required to abide by that deal.

I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

Unless you're one those transgender or gay freaks, who don't deserve rights anyway ... isn't that what you mean?

The law restricts communities from creating anti discrimination protections, in your mind I guess, that in and of itself is not discrimination.

Since you are so concerned about local governments going after companies ... let's recount the list of companies that have protested HB2. Paypal, Google, the NFL, NHL, Starbucks, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, American Airlines, Hilton, Citibank, I could keep going ...

These companies realize discrimination is bad for business. The morons who run NC do not and just keep watching jobs and money leave the state because of this issue.

Pat McCrory is going to be defeated in this election, and it will all because of his handling of the HB2 issue. I am certain he would win without that issue.

(09-14-2016 04:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 11:51 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:28 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 09:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Good for the NCAA and maybe the ACC will do the same with the ACCCG in Charlotte (or if they have any future ACC Tournaments in the state).

Someone who argued about it better than I could.

Besides the fact that the argument being total 100% Grade A bull****. It is completely a false representation of what the law says. Leftist intentionally lying about what a law says or does is common place.

Maybe it would be good if you were to ACTUALLY read the law instead of listening to lies put out by special interest groups.

http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/H...F/H2v1.pdf

Basically the laws says that all GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC SECTOR (not private sector) facilities provide single sex restroom or changing areas based on the sex of the person on their birth certificate. But why should we allow facts to get in the way with liberal propaganda and lies?


It has no legal bearing on what the NCAA did. If you disagree with their position then in the future do not go to those locations.

BUT if you have an agreement in place you should be legally required to abide by that deal.

I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

Unless you're one those transgender or gay freaks, who don't deserve rights anyway ... isn't that what you mean?

The law restricts communities from creating anti discrimination protections, in your mind I guess, that in and of itself is not discrimination.

Since you are so concerned about local governments going after companies ... let's recount the list of companies that have protested HB2. Paypal, Google, the NFL, NHL, Starbucks, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, American Airlines, Hilton, Citibank, I could keep going ...

These companies realize discrimination is bad for business. The morons who run NC do not and just keep watching jobs and money leave the state because of this issue.

Pat McCrory is going to be defeated in this election, and it will all because of his handling of the HB2 issue. I am certain he would win without that issue.

I think you're being a bit dramatic.

Transgender people have the same rights you and I have. However, they are wanting to do something different than the norm. And what they want to do does directly impact others.

Who has more rights: the person wanting to do something out of the norm or the person who expects the norm?



We are living in a culture where people demand autonomous values. Yet when someone else's belief conflicts with ours we demand heteronomous values.

We don't want others dictating to us. We want to live by our own rules. However, when other people disagree with us we shift into dictating mode.

(09-14-2016 04:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 11:51 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:28 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 09:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Good for the NCAA and maybe the ACC will do the same with the ACCCG in Charlotte (or if they have any future ACC Tournaments in the state).

Someone who argued about it better than I could.

Besides the fact that the argument being total 100% Grade A bull****. It is completely a false representation of what the law says. Leftist intentionally lying about what a law says or does is common place.

Maybe it would be good if you were to ACTUALLY read the law instead of listening to lies put out by special interest groups.

http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/H...F/H2v1.pdf

Basically the laws says that all GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC SECTOR (not private sector) facilities provide single sex restroom or changing areas based on the sex of the person on their birth certificate. But why should we allow facts to get in the way with liberal propaganda and lies?


It has no legal bearing on what the NCAA did. If you disagree with their position then in the future do not go to those locations.

BUT if you have an agreement in place you should be legally required to abide by that deal.

I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

Unless you're one those transgender or gay freaks, who don't deserve rights anyway ... isn't that what you mean?

The law restricts communities from creating anti discrimination protections, in your mind I guess, that in and of itself is not discrimination.

Since you are so concerned about local governments going after companies ... let's recount the list of companies that have protested HB2. Paypal, Google, the NFL, NHL, Starbucks, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, American Airlines, Hilton, Citibank, I could keep going ...

These companies realize discrimination is bad for business. The morons who run NC do not and just keep watching jobs and money leave the state because of this issue.

Pat McCrory is going to be defeated in this election, and it will all because of his handling of the HB2 issue. I am certain he would win without that issue.

Are those businesses protesting practically every other state? Will the NCAA stop holding events in other states?

As it stands, practically every state expects males to use the mens room and females to use the womens room. Maybe there are laws on the books, maybe not. But that is the norm.

I wonder if the NCAA will stop sanctioning events in those state period.

After all, when Alabama plays LSU the game is NCAA-sanctioned and it's played in a state that doesn't allow men or women to use the other bathroom.

(09-14-2016 08:06 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 04:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 11:51 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:28 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Besides the fact that the argument being total 100% Grade A bull****. It is completely a false representation of what the law says. Leftist intentionally lying about what a law says or does is common place.

Maybe it would be good if you were to ACTUALLY read the law instead of listening to lies put out by special interest groups.

http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/H...F/H2v1.pdf

Basically the laws says that all GOVERNMENT/PUBLIC SECTOR (not private sector) facilities provide single sex restroom or changing areas based on the sex of the person on their birth certificate. But why should we allow facts to get in the way with liberal propaganda and lies?


It has no legal bearing on what the NCAA did. If you disagree with their position then in the future do not go to those locations.

BUT if you have an agreement in place you should be legally required to abide by that deal.

I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

Unless you're one those transgender or gay freaks, who don't deserve rights anyway ... isn't that what you mean?

The law restricts communities from creating anti discrimination protections, in your mind I guess, that in and of itself is not discrimination.

Since you are so concerned about local governments going after companies ... let's recount the list of companies that have protested HB2. Paypal, Google, the NFL, NHL, Starbucks, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, American Airlines, Hilton, Citibank, I could keep going ...

These companies realize discrimination is bad for business. The morons who run NC do not and just keep watching jobs and money leave the state because of this issue.

Pat McCrory is going to be defeated in this election, and it will all because of his handling of the HB2 issue. I am certain he would win without that issue.

Are those businesses protesting practically every other state? Will the NCAA stop holding events in other states?

As it stands, practically every state expects males to use the mens room and females to use the womens room. Maybe there are laws on the books, maybe not. But that is the norm.

I wonder if the NCAA will stop sanctioning events in those state period.

After all, when Alabama plays LSU the game is NCAA-sanctioned and it's played in a state that doesn't allow men or women to use the other bathroom.

No other state has a provision about transgender people using a specific bathroom. And you are oversimplifying things. What about a man who identifies as a woman, or vice versa? The truth of the matter is that you've been pissing in the same bathroom as transgender people for a long time, and probably didn't know it. In other words, it was a non-issue until the NC Legislature decided to make it an issue. Truth be told, the Democrats are playing political football with this as well. They baited the NC GOP into doing this and they took it hook line and sinker.

But, the law in NC is about amore than bathrooms.

As to the Alabama - LSU game, that's not an NCAA championship. The NCAA only has authority over their championships, they can't tell Alabama where to play.

The article below raises, and to a very large degree debunks the point you make.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politic...39317.html

News Flash: NCAA is a joke.

(09-14-2016 11:48 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  News Flash: NCAA is a joke.

I agree. Just another group caving into this PC bullshat.

(09-14-2016 09:05 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 08:06 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 04:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 11:51 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

Unless you're one those transgender or gay freaks, who don't deserve rights anyway ... isn't that what you mean?

The law restricts communities from creating anti discrimination protections, in your mind I guess, that in and of itself is not discrimination.

Since you are so concerned about local governments going after companies ... let's recount the list of companies that have protested HB2. Paypal, Google, the NFL, NHL, Starbucks, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, American Airlines, Hilton, Citibank, I could keep going ...

These companies realize discrimination is bad for business. The morons who run NC do not and just keep watching jobs and money leave the state because of this issue.

Pat McCrory is going to be defeated in this election, and it will all because of his handling of the HB2 issue. I am certain he would win without that issue.

Are those businesses protesting practically every other state? Will the NCAA stop holding events in other states?

As it stands, practically every state expects males to use the mens room and females to use the womens room. Maybe there are laws on the books, maybe not. But that is the norm.

I wonder if the NCAA will stop sanctioning events in those state period.

After all, when Alabama plays LSU the game is NCAA-sanctioned and it's played in a state that doesn't allow men or women to use the other bathroom.

No other state has a provision about transgender people using a specific bathroom. And you are oversimplifying things. What about a man who identifies as a woman, or vice versa? The truth of the matter is that you've been pissing in the same bathroom as transgender people for a long time, and probably didn't know it. In other words, it was a non-issue until the NC Legislature decided to make it an issue. Truth be told, the Democrats are playing political football with this as well. They baited the NC GOP into doing this and they took it hook line and sinker.

But, the law in NC is about amore than bathrooms.

As to the Alabama - LSU game, that's not an NCAA championship. The NCAA only has authority over their championships, they can't tell Alabama where to play.

The article below raises, and to a very large degree debunks the point you make.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politic...39317.html

That is not completely true. Other states, like Arkansas, have passed legislation that has effectively stopped cities from passing transgender friendly city ordinances. It is not has overt as the NC law but essentially accomplishes the exact same thing...

And why is the NCAA allowing schools like BYU to remain a member of their Organization when they have blatantly discriminant "honor codes" toward the LGBT community?

I just find it distracting. States have different laws from other states, and as long as they aren't unconstitutional, I don't get the outrage...especially when this law literally affects less than 1% of the population. It seems completely ineffective and is likely more bark than bite.

Some states allow (like TN) 1st cousins to marry. Some don't.
Some states have the age of consent to bang a minor at 16 (like MS) while some have it at 17 (IL) or 18 (TN).
Some states allow you to get an abortion at 7+ months, no questions asked. Some restrict it earlier.
Some states allow common law marriage, some don't.
Some states fund their coffers through a regressive sales taxes, some through income tax.

(09-14-2016 09:05 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 08:06 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 04:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 11:51 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  I live in NC, I know exactly what the law does. It's about way more than bathrooms and locker rooms, but perhaps if YOU would read the law you might understand, then again maybe not. It prevents local communities from enacting laws that protect LGBT rights. That is about WAY more than bathrooms.

As for the contracts, I'm quite certain the NCAA has escape clauses built in. It's amazing how people cheer when an athlete loses a sponsor for taking a political stance, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it's suddenly a travesty.

Frankly, I want the NCAA to hold its championships here. It hurts the economy of the state I live in. Cary, NC is 15 minutes from my house, they are going to lose several championship events.

I'll refer you to Mike DeCourcy's article, he states things more eloquently than I can.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...crq1ce5bxm

No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

Unless you're one those transgender or gay freaks, who don't deserve rights anyway ... isn't that what you mean?

The law restricts communities from creating anti discrimination protections, in your mind I guess, that in and of itself is not discrimination.

Since you are so concerned about local governments going after companies ... let's recount the list of companies that have protested HB2. Paypal, Google, the NFL, NHL, Starbucks, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, American Airlines, Hilton, Citibank, I could keep going ...

These companies realize discrimination is bad for business. The morons who run NC do not and just keep watching jobs and money leave the state because of this issue.

Pat McCrory is going to be defeated in this election, and it will all because of his handling of the HB2 issue. I am certain he would win without that issue.

Are those businesses protesting practically every other state? Will the NCAA stop holding events in other states?

As it stands, practically every state expects males to use the mens room and females to use the womens room. Maybe there are laws on the books, maybe not. But that is the norm.

I wonder if the NCAA will stop sanctioning events in those state period.

After all, when Alabama plays LSU the game is NCAA-sanctioned and it's played in a state that doesn't allow men or women to use the other bathroom.

No other state has a provision about transgender people using a specific bathroom. And you are oversimplifying things. What about a man who identifies as a woman, or vice versa? The truth of the matter is that you've been pissing in the same bathroom as transgender people for a long time, and probably didn't know it. In other words, it was a non-issue until the NC Legislature decided to make it an issue. Truth be told, the Democrats are playing political football with this as well. They baited the NC GOP into doing this and they took it hook line and sinker.

But, the law in NC is about amore than bathrooms.

As to the Alabama - LSU game, that's not an NCAA championship. The NCAA only has authority over their championships, they can't tell Alabama where to play.

The article below raises, and to a very large degree debunks the point you make.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politic...39317.html

I posted the text of the law. It is SPECIFIC to restrooms. SPECIFICALLY addresses restrooms. Is SPECIFIC to GOVERNMENT facilities. Only mention of private sector is to address local governments attempt to punish those who do not agree with PC movement.

(09-15-2016 04:41 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 09:05 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 08:06 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 04:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  No it keeps local government from going after companies who do not agree with their PC position. As we have seen in the past activist will by pass company after company who agree with their position to seek out one who does not. Just to force the company to change it's views or run them out of business. We have even seen activist cross state lines in order to go after a company which does not share their views.

There is not a single item in the law which violates anyone's right or is discriminatory in way shape or form.

Unless you're one those transgender or gay freaks, who don't deserve rights anyway ... isn't that what you mean?

The law restricts communities from creating anti discrimination protections, in your mind I guess, that in and of itself is not discrimination.

Since you are so concerned about local governments going after companies ... let's recount the list of companies that have protested HB2. Paypal, Google, the NFL, NHL, Starbucks, Facebook, Twitter, Uber, American Airlines, Hilton, Citibank, I could keep going ...

These companies realize discrimination is bad for business. The morons who run NC do not and just keep watching jobs and money leave the state because of this issue.

Pat McCrory is going to be defeated in this election, and it will all because of his handling of the HB2 issue. I am certain he would win without that issue.

Are those businesses protesting practically every other state? Will the NCAA stop holding events in other states?

As it stands, practically every state expects males to use the mens room and females to use the womens room. Maybe there are laws on the books, maybe not. But that is the norm.

I wonder if the NCAA will stop sanctioning events in those state period.

After all, when Alabama plays LSU the game is NCAA-sanctioned and it's played in a state that doesn't allow men or women to use the other bathroom.

No other state has a provision about transgender people using a specific bathroom. And you are oversimplifying things. What about a man who identifies as a woman, or vice versa? The truth of the matter is that you've been pissing in the same bathroom as transgender people for a long time, and probably didn't know it. In other words, it was a non-issue until the NC Legislature decided to make it an issue. Truth be told, the Democrats are playing political football with this as well. They baited the NC GOP into doing this and they took it hook line and sinker.

But, the law in NC is about amore than bathrooms.

As to the Alabama - LSU game, that's not an NCAA championship. The NCAA only has authority over their championships, they can't tell Alabama where to play.

The article below raises, and to a very large degree debunks the point you make.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politic...39317.html

I posted the text of the law. It is SPECIFIC to restrooms. SPECIFICALLY addresses restrooms. Is SPECIFIC to GOVERNMENT facilities. Only mention of private sector is to address local governments attempt to punish those who do not agree with PC movement.

That's only one of the parts of the bill. You posted the bill, did you notice that? Sheesh. The central purpose of the law was to prevent local communities from passing their own anti-discrimination ordinances.

The bathroom issue is a smoke screen, and one that the NCAA, the NBA, and countless companies have seen through. Hell, you can see through the smoke screen if you notice that there is no enforcement provision for the bathroom part.

Does the NCAA allow men to participate on women's teams and vice versa?

Has that scenario already been happening for years?

If not, why not?

(09-16-2016 12:31 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Does the NCAA allow men to participate on women's teams and vice versa?

Has that scenario already been happening for years?

If not, why not?

No one is saying that men should be allowed on women's teams. In fact, no one is saying that men should be able to use women's restrooms. They are saying that people who identify as women should be able to use women's restrooms. The "fear" is that predators would use the law as cover to gain access to women's restrooms. But they could already do that, and it's already illegal, and there are no documented cases. In places that specifically allow transgender people from using the bathroom of their gender identity, there have been no problems whatsoever. Like I said previously, you've been pissing next to transgender people for a long time and likely did not know it. So the law has no purpose other than to discriminate against a group of people that are already extremely vulnerable. But again, the bathroom issue is just cover to ensure that local communities don't install non-discrimination protections of their own. Transgender people will still use the bathroom of their choice, and cops won't be checking birth certificates (or genitalia) at the door (I hope); but now, they do it with the knowledge that technically, they are violating the law, and that the state they are in has little regard for them or their rights.

Now, if you are asking about the NCAA's policy on transgender athletes, I don't think the issue has arisen to a large degree; however, there is a swimmer at Harvard that transitioned to a man and switched from the women's team to the men's.

Is there a fear that someone like a Jake McDowell will suddenly decide that he's a woman so he can dominate on the court? Not really. The NCAA says that you have to be able to document your gender preference and show proof of testosterone suppression medical treatment for a year and throughout your eligibility.

I'm not sure what scenario you are referring to in the last paragraph.