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We have ZERO chance to win at app state.

They are at home coming off a loss to an in state rival.

Some of you guys are absolutely delusional.

We can't even kick fg's and we're gonna win on the road against an acc team?

Jesus, pass the kool aid

(09-11-2016 11:34 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  We have ZERO chance to win at app state.

They are at home coming off a loss to an in state rival.

Some of you guys are absolutely delusional.

We can't even kick fg's and we're gonna win on the road against an acc team?

Jesus, pass the kool aid

You know it's serious when RRM drops the "J" bomb!

I did not vote in this poll b/c I need more data about how we finish at the end of each year.

Speaking of RR... I enjoyed the NYG win at DAL today!
HTTR

(09-11-2016 11:34 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  We have ZERO chance to win at app state.

They are at home coming off a loss to an in state rival.

Some of you guys are absolutely delusional.

We can't even kick fg's and we're gonna win on the road against an acc team?

Jesus, pass the kool aid

*NC State

And I am pretty sure NCSU looks down at ECU like ODU looks at JMU...

Can ODU beat ECU? Is the law of transitive properties in effect on this board?

I am not going to vote until the end of the season.
However, the numbers are not so good.

In 2014, our first full year in FBS, we went 6-6 against a schedule that included two P5 programs, a Marshall team that was every bit P5, and a win over conference champion Rice.
NCAA Strength of Schedule was 107
http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/04/2014-...aa-method/
Nationally, out of 128 FBS programs, we were 51st in scoring - 401 points total @ 33.5 points per game and 56th in total yards - 5303
http://www.espn.com/college-football/sta.../year/2014

2015 was our first losing season. We went 5-7 with a schedule that was easier and included only one P5.
Our NCAA Strength of Schedule was 109
http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/03/2015-...aa-method/
Nationally, out of 128 teams, we dropped substantially in offensive output.
We were 101st in scoring - 291 points total @ 24.3 points per game and we were 99th in total yards - 4455
http://www.espn.com/college-football/sta.../year/2015

2015 was a year that many thought we would improve overall, even without Heinicke.
Our offensive output dropped dramatically. Our scoring went from one place away from top 50 to below 100; and just as drastic a drop in total yardage gained.
Our coaches may or may not feel the heat after this season if we don't improve, but they certainly will if we continue a downward trend.

EDIT: By contrast, the defense improved - up about ten places in both total yards allowed and points allowed.

I don't think anyone expected us to improve in 2015. Where is that point of view from? We went from NFL quarterback to a freshman QB. We redshirted some of our better players to put them in the strength program.

From what I've always considered, 2015 was a growing season, 2016 is a hope for a bowl game, and 2017 is the year they should have a good team.

Yeah, the reasons for the drop in offense are well documented. So far I see the defense showing significant progress, special teams much improved, and a young O line seemingly holding it's own. Only real concern for me remains the O coordinator. Not at all convinced he's an FBS caliber coach. I think we need an upgrade there.

(09-11-2016 07:39 AM)odumon84 Wrote:  Wow, until I read the recent threads re BW,I thought he( and WS and the administration) had done a great job establishing a start up FB program.How wrong I was. Now that the scales have fallen from my eyes I now see that it was Divine intervention. I should have known when from a far away land (California) came Thomas the Baptist (Demarco) foretelling of a greater QB to come.... and he did ,a NFL ready QB,that escaped the 3 wise men( Saban,Mayer,Harbaugh) and other coaches wise and not. Like manna from heaven TH dropped into BW's lap. And with him came the others a real OL , WR's by the bushel, and 2 from Hofestra where miraculously FB was disbanded. And for four years there was joy in the promised land ,despite BW having a "sandlot" offensive scheme and no D. TH and the team thrived despite BW and staff.

Now we are back in the wilderness, a wilderness almost has dark as before FB at ODU. The natives are restless, why are we in CUSA we're better than that,why didn't we stay in the CAA and have quaint bus rides to JMU,WM et al. And a new 22k stadium,there's no way out of the wilderness.

Some of the best stuff I've read on this board.

(09-13-2016 08:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I don't think anyone expected us to improve in 2015. Where is that point of view from? We went from NFL quarterback to a freshman QB. We redshirted some of our better players to put them in the strength program.

From what I've always considered, 2015 was a growing season, 2016 is a hope for a bowl game, and 2017 is the year they should have a good team.

I dunno, Bobby Wilder had stated that a "reasonable expectation" for 2015 was to contend for the division championship and go to a bowl.
His assessment of SB throughout the Spring was that we could expect little drop off and that in some ways SB was ahead of TH at the same juncture. Given that TH played as a true freshman, and SB was a redshirt freshman with a year in the program under his belt, the implication was that we might not see an appreciable dropoff, indeed not to the extent we did.

The usually conservative Harry Minium predicted 6-6 and a bowl.

And while we were close, this fanbase is used to exceeding expectations, not coming in under them.

Personally, I knew we were young and building. so I was not surprised at the outcome, but surprised at the dramatic dropoff in offensive production, especially with the promise of a running game. I was surprised at the ineptness of the OL, after all we had been recruiting FBS since 2012.

I thought the hype surrounding SB was outrageous, and put undue pressure on the young man, from which he may never recover. I am not sure now that he will ever start for this program. I place that 100% on Bobby Wilder.

(09-11-2016 11:34 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  We have ZERO chance to win at app state.

Obviously. But what do you think of our odds against NCSU?

(09-13-2016 10:21 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I don't think anyone expected us to improve in 2015. Where is that point of view from? We went from NFL quarterback to a freshman QB. We redshirted some of our better players to put them in the strength program.

From what I've always considered, 2015 was a growing season, 2016 is a hope for a bowl game, and 2017 is the year they should have a good team.

I dunno, Bobby Wilder had stated that a "reasonable expectation" for 2015 was to contend for the division championship and go to a bowl.
His assessment of SB throughout the Spring was that we could expect little drop off and that in some ways SB was ahead of TH at the same juncture. Given that TH played as a true freshman, and SB was a redshirt freshman with a year in the program under his belt, the implication was that we might not see an appreciable dropoff, indeed not to the extent we did.

The usually conservative Harry Minium predicted 6-6 and a bowl.

And while we were close, this fanbase is used to exceeding expectations, not coming in under them.

Personally, I knew we were young and building. so I was not surprised at the outcome, but surprised at the dramatic dropoff in offensive production, especially with the promise of a running game. I was surprised at the ineptness of the OL, after all we had been recruiting FBS since 2012.

I thought the hype surrounding SB was outrageous, and put undue pressure on the young man, from which he may never recover. I am not sure now that he will ever start for this program. I place that 100% on Bobby Wilder.

Wilder certainly over - hyped him but if he can't handle the pressure of being "The Man" then maybe he's not the man.

(09-13-2016 10:21 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I don't think anyone expected us to improve in 2015. Where is that point of view from? We went from NFL quarterback to a freshman QB. We redshirted some of our better players to put them in the strength program.

From what I've always considered, 2015 was a growing season, 2016 is a hope for a bowl game, and 2017 is the year they should have a good team.

I dunno, Bobby Wilder had stated that a "reasonable expectation" for 2015 was to contend for the division championship and go to a bowl.
His assessment of SB throughout the Spring was that we could expect little drop off and that in some ways SB was ahead of TH at the same juncture. Given that TH played as a true freshman, and SB was a redshirt freshman with a year in the program under his belt, the implication was that we might not see an appreciable dropoff, indeed not to the extent we did.

The usually conservative Harry Minium predicted 6-6 and a bowl.

And while we were close, this fanbase is used to exceeding expectations, not coming in under them.

Personally, I knew we were young and building. so I was not surprised at the outcome, but surprised at the dramatic dropoff in offensive production, especially with the promise of a running game. I was surprised at the ineptness of the OL, after all we had been recruiting FBS since 2012.

I thought the hype surrounding SB was outrageous, and put undue pressure on the young man, from which he may never recover. I am not sure now that he will ever start for this program. I place that 100% on Bobby Wilder.

I don't ever remember Wilder saying there would be little dropoff between Heinicke and a freshman Bentley. If so, I'd love to read because its crazy talk.

We were expected to compete for a bowl in a rebuilding year and did. For the future, anyone that expects a freshman QB to replace an NFL QB is delirious.

(09-13-2016 01:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:21 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 08:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I don't think anyone expected us to improve in 2015. Where is that point of view from? We went from NFL quarterback to a freshman QB. We redshirted some of our better players to put them in the strength program.

From what I've always considered, 2015 was a growing season, 2016 is a hope for a bowl game, and 2017 is the year they should have a good team.

I dunno, Bobby Wilder had stated that a "reasonable expectation" for 2015 was to contend for the division championship and go to a bowl.
His assessment of SB throughout the Spring was that we could expect little drop off and that in some ways SB was ahead of TH at the same juncture. Given that TH played as a true freshman, and SB was a redshirt freshman with a year in the program under his belt, the implication was that we might not see an appreciable dropoff, indeed not to the extent we did.

The usually conservative Harry Minium predicted 6-6 and a bowl.

And while we were close, this fanbase is used to exceeding expectations, not coming in under them.

Personally, I knew we were young and building. so I was not surprised at the outcome, but surprised at the dramatic dropoff in offensive production, especially with the promise of a running game. I was surprised at the ineptness of the OL, after all we had been recruiting FBS since 2012.

I thought the hype surrounding SB was outrageous, and put undue pressure on the young man, from which he may never recover. I am not sure now that he will ever start for this program. I place that 100% on Bobby Wilder.

I don't ever remember Wilder saying there would be little dropoff between Heinicke and a freshman Bentley. If so, I'd love to read because its crazy talk.

We were expected to compete for a bowl in a rebuilding year and did. For the future, anyone that expects a freshman QB to replace an NFL QB is delirious.

I believe what the coaching staff said was that Bently was ahead of where TH was as a freshman. Then either the press or us fans made our own intrepretation of what that meant and what we should expect.

^ correct

I do remember that, you are right. Which remember was Heinicke against the JMUs of the world as opposed to Marshall.

I usually tend to levitate somewhere inbetween the extremes but after watching the team play last sa'turd'ay i strongly believe our coaching staff is at best a mediocre FCS bunch. I know some one already said they rode the coattails of Taylor to FBS and it appears that way to me as well.

It's been my long time belief that coaching is overrated. It's the players that make the difference,

Making critical stops on third down.

Catching the ball in the end zone with a defender in your face.

Making a catch for a TD without committing a personal foul,

Not letting a receiver get open for a long gain.

Being able to kick 30 yard field goals.

Winning those battles could have tilted the scales in our favor. Instead, the players let the coaches down.

To me this is simple, the VT game next year will decide Wilder's fate. If we win, he stays a long time. If we lose a close game he stays but is on the hot seat. If we get destroyed we're looking for a new coach.

(09-14-2016 08:12 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  To me this is simple, the VT game next year will decide Wilder's fate. If we win, he stays a long time. If we lose a close game he stays but is on the hot seat. If we get destroyed we're looking for a new coach.

Can you explain further why are coaching staff would be judged solely on a game where we are expected to lose by 20+?

(09-14-2016 12:47 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  It's been my long time belief that coaching is overrated. It's the players that make the difference,

Making critical stops on third down.

Catching the ball in the end zone with a defender in your face.

Making a catch for a TD without committing a personal foul,

Not letting a receiver get open for a long gain.

Being able to kick 30 yard field goals.

Winning those battles could have tilted the scales in our favor. Instead, the players let the coaches down.

I beg to differ. Coaches can make a world of difference in high school and college, maybe not so much in the major league sports. I have been around great coaches and bad coaches. Seen great coaches turn below avg. players in to All Americans and seen bad coaches ruin All Americans in many sports.