This NA protest is spreading like wildfire right now, a couple quick thoughts...
1) There are alot of people throwing out the 1st ammendment card as if this is a 1st ammendment issue. I have yet to hear anyone suggest the federal government needs to punish CK or any of the other players for sitting during the anthem. It is amazing how ignorant some people sound sometimes regarding the constitution.
2)The issue I have with is with the NFL, not the players protesting. The NFL is responsible for their brand and enforcing their brand. If I worked for Pepsi and I refused to wear a Pepsi uniform, and even wear Coke hats, I don't think I would last very long.
3) How would the NFL react if a white player brought out a rebel flag or through up a "Hiel Hitler" salute. I hate both if those things just as I hate the black power salute and BLM. They are both symbols of racism.
4) I am currently still watching games. I am not sure yet what the threshhold wI'll be for me before I can't take it anymore. Sports to me have always been an escape from all of the political nonsense. It has also been very unifying, with people of all walks of life in the same stadium cheering on the same teams. These protests are starting to take the wind out of those sails.
What are everyone else's thoughts...
(This post was last modified: 09-11-2016 09:47 PM by jarr.)
(09-11-2016 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote: 3) How would the NFL react if a white player brought out a rebel flag or through up a "Hiel Hitler" salute. I hate both if those things just as I hate the black power salute and BLM. They are both symbols of racism.
Those aren't equal at all. You should be asking how the NFL would react if white players did not stand for the anthem. The answer is they'd react the same way, which I'm sure is not what you want to hear.
Secondly, whether you like what he's done or not, you must admit it has worked. It has caught on and gotten people to continue speaking on the issue which I'm sure was his goal.
I am glad to hear that you are no longer a racist though.
(09-11-2016 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote: 3) How would the NFL react if a white player brought out a rebel flag or through up a "Hiel Hitler" salute. I hate both if those things just as I hate the black power salute and BLM. They are both symbols of racism.
Those aren't equal at all. You should be asking how the NFL would react if white players did not stand for the anthem. The answer is they'd react the same way, which I'm sure is not what you want to hear.
Secondly, whether you like what he's done or not, you must admit it has worked. It has caught on and gotten people to continue speaking on the issue which I'm sure was his goal.
I am glad to hear that you are no longer a racist though.
The movement is mis-named--instead of BLM, it more accurately stands for OBLM....only black lives matter. That's what they promote and stand for...if you support such a sentiment, that is your prerogative.
(09-11-2016 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote: 3) How would the NFL react if a white player brought out a rebel flag or through up a "Hiel Hitler" salute. I hate both if those things just as I hate the black power salute and BLM. They are both symbols of racism.
Those aren't equal at all. You should be asking how the NFL would react if white players did not stand for the anthem. The answer is they'd react the same way, which I'm sure is not what you want to hear.
Secondly, whether you like what he's done or not, you must admit it has worked. It has caught on and gotten people to continue speaking on the issue which I'm sure was his goal.
I am glad to hear that you are no longer a racist though.
How is the black power salute not equal to the white power salute like Peters from the Chiefs displayed?
(09-11-2016 09:56 PM)bearcatfan Wrote: Kaepernick and anybody else that does this is getting the attention they want, but don't deserve.
He's a football player, so what? He's entitled to his opinion an he has a right to do what he wants. But don't publicize it.
...his right to do whatever he wants only extends to government interference. While you are receiving paychecks from your employer, your self expression is limited or non existent. This is not a Colin Kaepernick issue but an NFL issue. Why is the NFL allowing their product (players) to step out of line of their "supposed" pro patriotic image?
(09-11-2016 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote: 3) How would the NFL react if a white player brought out a rebel flag or through up a "Hiel Hitler" salute. I hate both if those things just as I hate the black power salute and BLM. They are both symbols of racism.
Those aren't equal at all. You should be asking how the NFL would react if white players did not stand for the anthem. The answer is they'd react the same way, which I'm sure is not what you want to hear.
Secondly, whether you like what he's done or not, you must admit it has worked. It has caught on and gotten people to continue speaking on the issue which I'm sure was his goal.
I am glad to hear that you are no longer a racist though.
How is the black power salute not equal to the white power salute like Peters from the Chiefs displayed?
First, only one guy did the black power fist, second are you really asking what the difference is between the black power movement and the Nazi salute? One was a mostly political movement that was fighting outright racism, the other was the salute of a group that was responsible for genocide, the death of several million Jews, and then caused the most deadly war that this planet has ever known. As much as you may want the black power salute to be equal to the Nazi salute, they just aren't. Again though, I'm glad to hear that you are not racist.
i realize the irony of posting this thought on a message board --- but who cares?
if someone wants to stand, sit, kneel, or lay down during the anthem, i honestly don't care. it's not what i do, but i don't see why it offends so many.
(09-11-2016 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote: 4) I am currently still watching games. I am not sure yet what the threshhold wI'll be for me before I can't take it anymore. Sports to me have always been an escape from all of the political nonsense. It has also been very unifying, with people of all walks of life in the same stadium cheering on the same teams. These protests are starting to take the wind out of those sails.
What are everyone else's thoughts...
There were games yesterday? Just kidding...
I have quit watching except for UC... we'll see how long before some of these protests trickle down to college.
I'll check the box scores at the end of the day or morning after, pretty much tells me all I need to know.
(This post was last modified: 09-12-2016 10:10 AM by Topkat.)
(09-12-2016 07:13 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: What are they protesting?
They are protesting many things:
1. Police brutality
2. Economic Inequality
3. The founding of the country
4. The desire for reparations
5. living under the influence of caucasians
To meet their deepest desires and demands the country would have to:
1. Free all incarcerated African-Americans from prison
2. Cease prosecuting any crimes committed by African-Americans
3. Seize all property and capital owned or controlled by caucasians and repatriate it to African Americans.
4. Either expel or kill all caucasians in the U.S. and U.S. territories.
(This post was last modified: 09-12-2016 04:46 PM by Not Duane.)
(09-12-2016 07:13 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: What are they protesting?
They are protesting many things:
1. Police brutality
2. Economic Inequality
3. The founding of the country
4. The desire for reparations
5. living under the influence of caucasians
To meet their deepest desires and demands the country would have to:
1. Free all incarcerated African-Americans from prison
2. Cease prosecuting crimes committed by African-Americans
3. Seize all property and capital owned or controlled by caucasians and repatriate it to African Americans.
4. Either expel or kill all caucasians in the U.S. and U.S. territories.
Guessing Kap lives in a white hood?
Well those demands will not be met. Guess they missed the boat back to Liberia?
When free Blacks went back to Africa they promptly made all of the natives non citizens, installed their own constitution, and enslaved the native population. That lasted until the 1960's then the natives got restless and staged a coup.
(09-12-2016 07:13 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: What are they protesting?
They are protesting many things:
1. Police brutality
2. Economic Inequality
3. The founding of the country
4. The desire for reparations
5. living under the influence of caucasians
To meet their deepest desires and demands the country would have to:
1. Free all incarcerated African-Americans from prison
2. Cease prosecuting crimes committed by African-Americans 3. Seize all property and capital owned or controlled by caucasians and repatriate it to African Americans.
4. Either expel or kill all caucasians in the U.S. and U.S. territories.
I know it is stand-up, but I loved Richard Pryor's take (NSFW)
"It ached my heart to see all the brothers in prison... six weeks I was out there talking to the brothers.... thank god we got penitentiaries.
(09-12-2016 07:13 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: What are they protesting?
They are protesting many things:
1. Police brutality
2. Economic Inequality
3. The founding of the country
4. The desire for reparations
5. living under the influence of caucasians
To meet their deepest desires and demands the country would have to:
1. Free all incarcerated African-Americans from prison
2. Cease prosecuting crimes committed by African-Americans
3. Seize all property and capital owned or controlled by caucasians and repatriate it to African Americans.
4. Either expel or kill all caucasians in the U.S. and U.S. territories.
Guessing Kap lives in a white hood?
Well those demands will not be met. Guess they missed the boat back to Liberia?
When free Blacks went back to Africa they promptly made all of the natives non citizens, installed their own constitution, and enslaved the native population. That lasted until the 1960's then the natives got restless and staged a coup.
I'm not supporting these demands or promoting them...I'm just explicitly stating what everyone else dances around when they use phrases like:
"we have to level the playing field"
"we have to be honest about race relations"
"we have to engage in a dialogue"
"we have to have this conversation"
I'm certain you've heard these phrases bandied about, and because these goals are never explicitly discussed, we never "engage in a dialogue". We simply dance around the obvious and think we've done the topic due diligence.
(09-12-2016 07:35 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: i realize the irony of posting this thought on a message board --- but who cares?
if someone wants to stand, sit, kneel, or lay down during the anthem, i honestly don't care. it's not what i do, but i don't see why it offends so many.
If only people ignored him. But that can't happen because it inflames passions and passions equal viewers, viewers equal ratings, ratings equal cash.
We are a society baited by inflammatory BS at every opportunity because if the media ever stops 1/2 the TV and internet clickbait "news" industry will go out of business.
(09-12-2016 07:35 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: i realize the irony of posting this thought on a message board --- but who cares?
if someone wants to stand, sit, kneel, or lay down during the anthem, i honestly don't care. it's not what i do, but i don't see why it offends so many.
If only people ignored him. But that can't happen because it inflames passions and passions equal viewers, viewers equal ratings, ratings equal cash.
We are a society baited by inflammatory BS at every opportunity because if the media ever stops 1/2 the TV and internet clickbait "news" industry will go out of business.
I agree but I think the NFL, who needs no help with ratings, ignored it all with their telecasts. Foxnews, CNN etc have of course blown it up as much as possible to get their large ignorant portions of viewership to increase. I'll tell you what, since giving up cable it has been much easier to stay away from the cable news networks which has been enjoyable for me.
(09-12-2016 07:35 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: i realize the irony of posting this thought on a message board --- but who cares?
if someone wants to stand, sit, kneel, or lay down during the anthem, i honestly don't care. it's not what i do, but i don't see why it offends so many.
If only people ignored him. But that can't happen because it inflames passions and passions equal viewers, viewers equal ratings, ratings equal cash.
We are a society baited by inflammatory BS at every opportunity because if the media ever stops 1/2 the TV and internet clickbait "news" industry will go out of business.
which is why i believe that people with his profile/stature he has an obligation to speak on behalf of whatever stupid cause he supports. it'd be like if i was a world famous hobo and wanted to advocate not lack of the open boxcar (which should be priority number one) but the price of gas station coffee. i would be the voice of the voiceless
I have seen conflicting reports, but many sources are saying that his girlfriend is highly involved with BLM. So if true, his newfound anti-American activism is not surprising.
What is the most aggravating to me is that you would think that someone who is in such a high profile position, and who is making such a high profile stance, would put some time and effort in to making sure that they know what the heck they are talking about. Listening to him talk is painful. He is so unaware of how ignorant he is on the things he is talking about. He comes off as a useful idiot.
Honestly, the NFL is a private organization who can rightfully decide what speech or protests they allow their employees to have in public, and what speech by their employees will get them fined or otherwise disciplined.
As we saw a few years ago with some members of the St Louis Rams, who did the whole "hands up don't shoot" falsehood with no repercussions, and now Kapernick, and also forbidding the Dallas Cowboys from showing support for the police, and charging the Armed Forces millions of dollars for displays of patriotism, the NFL has made it pretty clear where they stand on certain social issues. The NFL has taken an advocacy role on some of these issues.
As a private organization they have the right to do that. And the public has the right to decide if they want to support that type of an organization or not. That is the American way, and capitalism at work.
Are people as angry at the guys in the beer line who don't acknowledge the anthem? They'd probably throw a fit if the person in front of them stopped from ordering to turn around and participate. What if all the vendors stopped at once? Chaos.
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