Johnson, referring to reports that Chicago had more homicides than the combined total of the larger cities of New York and Los Angeles in August, said that those cities benefit from tougher gun laws. ‘If we had the gun laws they have we’d see violent crime cut in half,’ he said.

http://newagebd.net/250535/13-killed-doz...shootings/

He probably meant that if they could take the guns from the thugs there would be less murders. I "eckshualie" think that would do it.

Take the guns away from people that have NO Business carrying guns, stupid.

The blind leading the blind.

That's not the common perception (that LA and NY have tougher gun laws)

Do you know specifically what he is referring to?

Never mind... In the article, he says it isn't about the laws per se, but about sentencing.

That's exactly what 'the right' has been saying all along. Stricter enforcement and more severe penalties for laws already on the books impacting what he calls 'repeat offenders' ... not new laws directed at NON offenders.

So they should replace him with someone who has a clue.

That HAS to be it!

How many more laws would Chicago like to have. There are only 20k gunnlawsnon he hooks currently. ??

If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his azz hopping either! What an idiot.

Great OP & thread...oh well

So the problem isn't with the laws but with the lax prosecution and sentencing.

But the leftist solution to laws not being enforced by the judicial system is more laws?

Leftism is truly a mental disorder.


A logical person would point out that the solution to the problem is not adding additional laws but with judicial reform. Obviously leftists aren't logical people.

(09-07-2016 01:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Johnson, referring to reports that Chicago had more homicides than the combined total of the larger cities of New York and Los Angeles in August, said that those cities benefit from tougher gun laws. ‘If we had the gun laws they have we’d see violent crime cut in half,’ he said.

http://newagebd.net/250535/13-killed-doz...shootings/

Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Johnson and outgoing State's Attorney Anita Alvarez have talked about the revolving door of criminals who commit gun crimes, go to prison for a short period and hit the streets again packing illegal firearms. African-Americans have good reason not to trust everything these people say, but this is worth a listen.

Mandatory sentencing is a touchy subject for many African-Americans who fear, justifiably so, that there would be a disproportionate negative impact on blacks. But don't the repeat offenders responsible for this astounding murder rate of African-Americans cause as much harm?

It's easy to understand the opposition to a youngster convicted of simple possession of an illegal handgun getting locked up for years. But it's much more difficult to make a reasonable argument that convicted felons and street gang members caught with a gun shouldn't get the maximum sentence. Particularly repeat offenders.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colum...olumn.html

13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

What's the use of having tougher, mandatory sentencing if Oblunder lets them out.

Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?

(09-07-2016 02:09 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

and you wonder why people think you are racist.

(09-07-2016 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:09 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

and you wonder why people think you are racist.

What does that comment have to do with Race?

Duke, is the 13% a reference to the size of the black population? Or merely a statistic?

If the former, you need better sources... a better way to say it.

SOME portion of that 13% commits half the murders. I've seen some stats that suggest it's literally 1% of the total population responsible for half.

(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?

honestly: I think the sentencing is only part of why it works for LA/NY but not chicago. the other part is the fact that stricter gun laws make it harder to obtain an illegal gun in the immediate vicinity of those cities is a major factor on top of the current state of gang violence.

(09-07-2016 02:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:09 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

and you wonder why people think you are racist.

What does that comment have to do with Race?

Duke, is the 13% a reference to the black population? Or merely a statistic?

it's not racist to highlight the fact that blacks commit more crimes. it is racist to use that to make the claim that is the case not because of demographics but because black people are somehow inferior.

plus given this posters history it's hard to say his MLK quip wasn't intent with malice.

(09-07-2016 02:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?

honestly: I think the sentencing is only part of why it works for LA/NY but not chicago. the other part is the fact that stricter gun laws make it harder to obtain an illegal gun in the immediate vicinity of those cities is a major factor on top of the current state of gang violence.

You think?

(09-07-2016 02:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?

honestly: I think the sentencing is only part of why it works for LA/NY but not chicago. the other part is the fact that stricter gun laws make it harder to obtain an illegal gun in the immediate vicinity of those cities is a major factor on top of the current state of gang violence.

That's fine and that's your opinion... but that isn't what the Chicago Police Chief said... and I'm not sure it's supported by the facts. I don't think background checks or gun show laws or whatever else are 'less' in NY or LA than Chi.

What you're doing is taking what he said (which we ALL agree with, and don't understand why we aren't taking those steps) and attempting to link it to something he didn't say, and we don't all agree with, and it's therefore obvious why we aren't taking those steps.

You guys don't seem to WANT to solve the problem, even when your own side is telling you how.

(09-07-2016 02:25 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:09 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

and you wonder why people think you are racist.

What does that comment have to do with Race?

Duke, is the 13% a reference to the black population? Or merely a statistic?

it's not racist to highlight the fact that blacks commit more crimes. it is racist to use that to make the claim that is the case not because of demographics but because black people are somehow inferior.

plus given this posters history it's hard to say his MLK quip wasn't intent with malice.

Well, I don't see that he said they were somehow inferior. Those who commit murder with guns ARE inferior to the rest of us, but that has to do with being murderers, not being black.

After I asked, I googled the claim, and it DOES seem to imply that 'the 13%' (the race) are responsible... which is BS.

The character of the criminals themselves... not the race OR the object are the problems.

Duke, if you meant 'the race' has character issues, then I'm calling you out on that. If you were merely spouting a statistic but talking about the character of the CRIMINALS, you could/should say that more clearly.

I wonder if the Chicago Police Chief blames lack of tough drug laws for high drug crime rates.

(09-07-2016 02:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mandatory sentencing for drug crimes etc is a bad idea. Mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders of GUN crimes is a no-brainer.




Does NOBODY on the left notice that the right is VERY much in favor of stiff penalties for people who commit crimes with guns?

honestly: I think the sentencing is only part of why it works for LA/NY but not chicago. the other part is the fact that stricter gun laws make it harder to obtain an illegal gun in the immediate vicinity of those cities is a major factor on top of the current state of gang violence.

That's fine and that's your opinion... but that isn't what the Chicago Police Chief said... and I'm not sure it's supported by the facts. I don't think background checks or gun show laws or whatever else are 'less' in NY or LA than Chi.

What you're doing is taking what he said (which we ALL agree with, and don't understand why we aren't taking those steps) and attempting to link it to something he didn't say, and we don't all agree with, and it's therefore obvious why we aren't taking those steps.

You guys don't seem to WANT to solve the problem, even when your own side is telling you how.

(09-07-2016 02:25 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:09 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

and you wonder why people think you are racist.

What does that comment have to do with Race?

Duke, is the 13% a reference to the black population? Or merely a statistic?

it's not racist to highlight the fact that blacks commit more crimes. it is racist to use that to make the claim that is the case not because of demographics but because black people are somehow inferior.

plus given this posters history it's hard to say his MLK quip wasn't intent with malice.

Well, I don't see that he said they were somehow inferior. Those who commit murder with guns ARE inferior to the rest of us, but that has to do with being murderers, not being black.

After I asked, I googled the claim, and it DOES seem to imply that 'the 13%' (the race) are responsible... which is BS.

The character of the criminals themselves... not the race OR the object are the problems.

Duke, if you meant 'the race' has character issues, then I'm calling you out on that. If you were merely spouting a statistic but talking about the character of the CRIMINALS, you could/should say that more clearly.

Duke has said some incredibly racist stuff in the past and he has such a bad track record I'm assuming that is what he said until he says otherwise and says so very clearly.

when have I ever questioned min gun sentencing laws?

(09-07-2016 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 02:09 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  13% of the population responsible for over 50% of the murders in this country. It has to be the inanimate object and not the content of the character.

and you wonder why people think you are racist.

Actually it is more like 6%, if you take females out of the calculation. (maybe 3%) if you include age range of ???? 17-34. FBI keeps the stats.