Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

Makes sense, having WVU out on the island now complicates expansion. With WVU I really think the only logical choice for the Big 12 is to go East. Remove them from the equation and I think BYU becomes your clear #1 for the Big 12.

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

We need a bigger fish.

If you let Virginia Tech slide on out then we'll work something up.

No thanks...

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

Would rather have Iowa state.

Yeah, I agree with Hawghiggs on this. I would rather have Iowa State, Kansas, or T.C.U. than W.V.U.. They have applied twice before and whiffed both times.

Besides the mere presence of W.V.U. is a burr under the saddle for Oklahoma and Texas. They picked them just to hang together in 2010. West Virginia is their problem to resolve, not the SEC's or ACC's problem!

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

No amazing candidates period.......

(08-25-2016 04:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No thanks...

+1

Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

True but we aren't talking about UConn. I was talking about WVU.

(08-27-2016 09:57 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

True but we aren't talking about UConn. I was talking about WVU.

Let's be brutally fair here.

West Virginia Pluses:

Above average or better most years in football and basketball.

Great fan support.

Academics are not a big issue when one takes into account their mission within their state.

Name recognition is strong.

West Virginia Minuses:

Minor sports line up deficient by SEC standards in the kinds of minor sport offered and the number of minor sports fielded. Baseball quality a deficit.

Fan behavior (although by a minority of their fans) is way outside the norms of SEC venues.

Academics are a big issue for a conference looking to enhance its academic standing.

Travel ease, distance, and venue size and amenities are issues.


Now add these to a relatively small market and their ability now to earn the SEC their annual payout of 40 million (which is what it will be revised to later this year) and they are outside of our parameters for membership.

IMO they still could add value to the ACC in football. Academics and fan behavior and minor sports would still be an issue, however.

(08-27-2016 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 09:57 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

True but we aren't talking about UConn. I was talking about WVU.

Let's be brutally fair here.

West Virginia Pluses:

Above average or better most years in football and basketball.

Great fan support.

Academics are not a big issue when one takes into account their mission within their state.

Name recognition is strong.

West Virginia Minuses:

Minor sports line up deficient by SEC standards in the kinds of minor sport offered and the number of minor sports fielded. Baseball quality a deficit.

Fan behavior (although by a minority of their fans) is way outside the norms of SEC venues.

Academics are a big issue for a conference looking to enhance its academic standing.

Travel ease, distance, and venue size and amenities are issues.


Now add these to a relatively small market and their ability now to earn the SEC their annual payout of 40 million (which is what it will be revised to later this year) and they are outside of our parameters for membership.

IMO they still could add value to the ACC in football. Academics and fan behavior and minor sports would still be an issue, however.

Fan behavior....

Good Lord!

Can you imagine what we would be like if we added Texas Tech and WVU?

God save the couches!

(08-27-2016 01:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's be brutally fair here.

West Virginia Pluses:

Above average or better most years in football and basketball.

Great fan support.

Academics are not a big issue when one takes into account their mission within their state.

Name recognition is strong.

West Virginia Minuses:

Minor sports line up deficient by SEC standards in the kinds of minor sport offered and the number of minor sports fielded. Baseball quality a deficit.

Fan behavior (although by a minority of their fans) is way outside the norms of SEC venues.

Academics are a big issue for a conference looking to enhance its academic standing.

Travel ease, distance, and venue size and amenities are issues.


Now add these to a relatively small market and their ability now to earn the SEC their annual payout of 40 million (which is what it will be revised to later this year) and they are outside of our parameters for membership.

IMO they still could add value to the ACC in football. Academics and fan behavior and minor sports would still be an issue, however.

Fan behavior....

Good Lord!

Can you imagine what we would be like if we added Texas Tech and WVU?

God save the couches!

God save the tacos!

I should have tied it up at the end of the post but my point was that Louisville got a pass on academics because of the other factors.

(08-27-2016 09:57 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

True but we aren't talking about UConn. I was talking about WVU.

I should have tied it up at the end of the post but my point was that Louisville got a pass on academics because of the other factors.

(08-27-2016 09:57 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 03:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Quick, while the rest of the league is distracted, WVU could slip out the back window into the SEC or the ACC.
This would allow the Big 12 to expand with BYU, Houston and Colorado State and develop some sort of identity.
All they need now is an invitation.......which one of you guys wants to call Birmingham?

WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

True but we aren't talking about UConn. I was talking about WVU.

(08-27-2016 01:58 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I should have tied it up at the end of the post but my point was that Louisville got a pass on academics because of the other factors.

(08-27-2016 09:57 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

True but we aren't talking about UConn. I was talking about WVU.

Ren we got it the first time. You didn't have to repeat yourself!

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

Louisville was certainly the best choice. I don't know of any program you should have picked over them.

(08-27-2016 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 09:57 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-27-2016 08:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Academics matter in the ACC, but we needed better football at the time. UConn will never be good in football and offers only a barren recruiting ground. The ACC didn't need help in basketball - we already have that in spades. I also heard FSU and Clemson were considering leaving if UConn were added. Louisville had an athletic budget on par with FSU before they joined the ACC. The ACC lost a bankrupt athletic department and gained one of the most healthy and profitable athletic departments in the nation. It was a different direction to be sure, but they were the right choice.

(08-25-2016 09:57 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 06:31 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  WVU should have been in the ACC years ago. I guess the ACC is too worried about academic status. They would be great for competition in the ACC.

They didn't want to add WVU because of academics and then a year later add Louisville. It's a shame the big 12 could've grabbed Cincy and Louisville but waited for that moment to pass. Now we have a school out on an island and no amazing candidates near them(besides maybe Cincy).

Now I'm just hoping the big 12 dies peacefully and most of the schools find a new good home.

True but we aren't talking about UConn. I was talking about WVU.

Let's be brutally fair here.

West Virginia Pluses:

Above average or better most years in football and basketball.

Great fan support.

Academics are not a big issue when one takes into account their mission within their state.

Name recognition is strong.

West Virginia Minuses:

Minor sports line up deficient by SEC standards in the kinds of minor sport offered and the number of minor sports fielded. Baseball quality a deficit.

Fan behavior (although by a minority of their fans) is way outside the norms of SEC venues.

Academics are a big issue for a conference looking to enhance its academic standing.

Travel ease, distance, and venue size and amenities are issues.


Now add these to a relatively small market and their ability now to earn the SEC their annual payout of 40 million (which is what it will be revised to later this year) and they are outside of our parameters for membership.

IMO they still could add value to the ACC in football. Academics and fan behavior and minor sports would still be an issue, however.

That is a fair evaluation of West Virginia. But the issues that concern the SEC will also concern the ACC. I would love to see West Virginia part of the ACC, but I do not think it will come to pass in my lifetime. That being said the two times I've been to Morgantown I wish to forget. It can be an inhospitable place.