I don't think the ACC considering Cincy / Memphis / UConn as options is that far fetched.

I do think there is currently no need for the ACC to expand.

The people getting real information know better than to post it online.

(08-14-2016 04:59 PM)L-yes Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 01:23 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Has anyone else heard this?

All I can do is pass along what I've heard to be completely legit

The ACC has 15 teams in their hybrid system by including Notre Dame in all sports but football

The conference AD's want to get ahead of the game to block the B12 from taking prospective future colleges they have interest in for the long term.

What I heard is the ACC wants to be the first conference to go to 18 football teams to completely eliminate any chance of other P5 teams growing faster. They see it as a block and forever protect their BCS interests. For ex - If the SEC offers FSU and GT the conference still has enough high level teams and supportive teams good enough not to get "Demoted"

The top tier teams such as VaTech/FSU/Clemson/Miami seem to be very much in favor of expansion because they know they will dominate the conference for the next 5-10 years

The other reason they like the idea is because it sets them up for the "Forever Invite" to the BCS games

Why the lower level ACC teams are somewhat on board is the fear of losing the top 3-4 teams to the SEC, B12, Big 10

Plus I've heard if the ACC goes to 15 football members it virtually forces Notre Dame to BLANK or get it off the pot

The ACC blue bloods have witnessed first hand the Louisville rise and see the long term value of the Louisville, Memphis, Cincy connection.

Hate to say this but UC is the first choice but Memphis is neck and neck due to rising ticket sales and Fedex.

Before the B12 makes an offer the ACC is planning to block taking Memphis and Cincinnati.

Personally, I'm cool with either conference because basketball would be more fun in the ACC but being able to play UT OK every year would be awesome as well.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Smh.

Personally I'd LOVE for this to happen. Would be awesome to have you guys back and it would be fun to show you around the place and watch what you do with the resources.

But what in the world would the ACC have to gain by expanding at this point? It has never been a reactionary conference and has always made calculated and quiet moves. Barring some unforeseen consequence from the B10 expanding again I don't see the reason it would preemptively take anyone right now. It has isolated options on the eastern seaboard that I'm not sure a B12 GOR would protect if the ACC wanted them. I'm 40. It sunk in that I'll be 60 before our GOR expires. That's insane. That's a lifetime in this madness that has been rocking our programs since 1990ish.

With the circus that is the B12 I think the ACC is content to sit and watch. I think there's a better chance of the B12 blowing itself apart in the immediate future than the ACC expanding again.

That said, either of those things happening would probably be good for the Tigers.

"Show us around the place"?

The arrogance!

Geography wise we fit better in Big XII, but UT and OU could make the Big XII irrelevant if they choose to jump and we would be right back in situation we were in with the Big East.

(08-14-2016 07:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Geography wise we fit better in Big XII, but UT and OU could make the Big XII irrelevant if they choose to jump and we would be right back in situation we were in with the Big East.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

(08-14-2016 06:13 PM)yakko Wrote:  The people getting real information know better than to post it online.

That is what the pragmatics are worried about.

(08-14-2016 05:28 PM)Denny Crum Wrote:  Yawn

The Cardinal way.

This is impossible. TC said that the ink is dry on the Big 12 contract.

(08-14-2016 06:13 PM)yakko Wrote:  The people getting real information know better than to post it online.

Wait, So because this is a message board all info someone chooses to share is 100% false?

Also no one said anything was 100% etc

If ND doesn't eventually bring football to the ACC then explain the value of their hybrid membership.

The only reason the ACC allowed the hybrid is in the hopes they would eventually join as football members

Honestly ND is in a position where they should join a P5 conference. Their whole Independent thing worked 20 yrs ago.

Hasnt worked so well since Roy Cramer developed the BCS system.

Since 1994

Notre Dame has been in 16 bowl games

They have won exactly 4 games out of 16 since '94

Tell me the BCS hasn't hurt ND.

The 4 bowl games actually won out of the 16 total were:

Hawaii Bowl
Sun Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl
Music City Bowl

In the last 22 seasons these are the bowl victories for Notre Dame

They aren't what they used to be

There is DEFINITELY pressure on ND to join a P5

Their results speak for themselves

As a college football fan it makes logical sense for them to go all in with the ACC because their chances of winning are better. They sure as heck couldn't compete in the SEC.

(08-14-2016 01:54 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 01:24 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 02:18 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 02:07 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 01:23 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Has anyone else heard this?

All I can do is pass along what I've heard to be completely legit

The ACC has 15 teams in their hybrid system by including Notre Dame in all sports but football

The conference AD's want to get ahead of the game to block the B12 from taking prospective future colleges they have interest in for the long term.

What I heard is the ACC wants to be the first conference to go to 18 football teams to completely eliminate any chance of other P5 teams growing faster. They see it as a block and forever protect their BCS interests. For ex - If the SEC offers FSU and GT the conference still has enough high level teams and supportive teams good enough not to get "Demoted"

The top tier teams such as VaTech/FSU/Clemson/Miami seem to be very much in favor of expansion because they know they will dominate the conference for the next 5-10 years

The other reason they like the idea is because it sets them up for the "Forever Invite" to the BCS games

Why the lower level ACC teams are somewhat on board is the fear of losing the top 3-4 teams to the SEC, B12, Big 10

Plus I've heard if the ACC goes to 15 football members it virtually forces Notre Dame to BLANK or get it off the pot

The ACC blue bloods have witnessed first hand the Louisville rise and see the long term value of the Louisville, Memphis, Cincy connection.

Hate to say this but UC is the first choice but Memphis is neck and neck due to rising ticket sales and Fedex.

Before the B12 makes an offer the ACC is planning to block taking Memphis and Cincinnati.

Personally, I'm cool with either conference because basketball would be more fun in the ACC but being able to play UT OK every year would be awesome as well.

No.

Just...

just

no.

Please add some real comments with substance. Otherwise allow the conversation to continue with those who have information or at least substantial rebuttals. It's guys like you who screw up legitimate threads b/c you want to seem cool. Either u don't know anything or you are too lazy to explain your silly one word replies.

Take a stance with something of substance or just read and move along.

You know what? You're right, and I apologize.
It was 2 in the morning, and I didn't have the energy to break down and respond to a post that did not have one legitimate or reasoned point - not one - and thereby exhaust myself when the whole endpoint was going to be to make me the bad guy, no matter how logical and thought-out my response was.
So here we go Pastner (shouldn't you change that to Smith4SecretaryofState or something?) . Here's my response:

Quote:The conference AD's want to get ahead of the game to block the B12 from taking prospective future colleges they have interest in for the long term.

No. Conferences don't take schools to block expansion by other conferences and it's for a clear-cut reason: Either the school they are looking to add brings something to the table or they don't. Besides, media markets are shared nationally and on the local level the Big XII and ACC don't have a common geographical city or state at this point; the ACC is going to not stable enough at this point to add another school; they are going to busy counting up the money from the new ACC network, and so-on and so-on. This is a fundamentally wrong statement.

Quote:the ACC wants to be the first conference to go to 18 football teams to completely eliminate any chance of other P5 teams growing faster. They see it as a block and forever protect their BCS interests. For ex - If the SEC offers FSU and GT the conference still has enough high level teams and supportive teams good enough not to get "Demoted"

No. Adding schools doesn't "protect" anything: In fact, the quickest way to piss off FSU, Clemson, Miami, etc. is to take a slice of their revenue from them and hand it to new conference mates they don't care about, thereby financing brand-new competition for less money.

Quote:The top tier teams such as VaTech/FSU/Clemson/Miami seem to be very much in favor of expansion because they know they will dominate the conference for the next 5-10 years

The other reason they like the idea is because it sets them up for the "Forever Invite" to the BCS games

No. The schools that are already leading won't want to fix what isn't broken. Bringing in new schools threatens that; it doesn't 'set them up' for anything. The only reason you bring in more schools in such an instance is to bring in more revenue, or you already have an established relationship with, and clearly that isn't going to happen with VT/FSU, etc.

Quote:Why the lower level ACC teams are somewhat on board is the fear of losing the top 3-4 teams to the SEC, B12, Big 10

Like I said, that plan runs off the football powers to the other major conferences. Duke and Wake Forest know that they can't water down ACC membership and hope to keep the standard-bearers.

Quote:Plus I've heard if the ACC goes to 15 football members it virtually forces Notre Dame to BLANK or get it off the pot

I'm literally shaking my head by this point....
No.
Bringing in Cincy and Memphis doesn't force ND to do anything. How in God's name would it?
Notre Dame is the only school in the country that has the B1G, Big XII, and Big East all as fallback options - one of those conferences will HAPPILY accept them - and that's after the new ACC contract expires, by the way. So Notre Dame can stay with the ACC on it's own terms, for good or for bad,regardless. So how does your source theorize adding Memphis and Cincy 'forces Notre Dame' to do anything?
Or forces the Big 12, for that matter, since they have said themselves they are looking at 17 potential members? Take two off the table, and Bowlsby is going to go "Eh. Okay. Who else we got?"

I'm not trying to play cool. Honestly. And everybody can say that the SMU guy is just a troll; I'm fine with that.
But there isn't one substantial idea in that entire post.
Not. One.
So if I was short and rude last night, I'm genuinely sorry.
I apologize, Pastner4prez.
But it's difficult to treat something seriously that makes no sense whatsoever, no matter what the source is, and no matter if this story actually happens or not.

Just 15 months ago and our football season last year was the most impressive by knocking off Ole Miss

Drop the mic

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...divisions/

From the Dennis Dodd article 15 months ago:

The reason for the potential move to three divisions would be a very simple one: to better position itself for the College Football Playoff. Theoretically, three divisions would allow the ACC to create a stronger conference championship game, which would then strengthen its case for a spot in the four-team playoff.

The problem, of course, would be that the ACC currently consists of 14 members, and would likely need to add a 15th school — three divisions of five teams each — to make that setup work. Notre Dame is already a scheduling partner with the ACC, although it seems unlikely that the conference would be able to convince the school to shed its football independence and become a full-time member of the league. Other potential additions — again, if they go the three-division route — could include Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF and UConn.

(08-15-2016 12:34 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  From the Dennis Dodd article 15 months ago:

The reason for the potential move to three divisions would be a very simple one: to better position itself for the College Football Playoff. Theoretically, three divisions would allow the ACC to create a stronger conference championship game, which would then strengthen its case for a spot in the four-team playoff.

The problem, of course, would be that the ACC currently consists of 14 members, and would likely need to add a 15th school — three divisions of five teams each — to make that setup work. Notre Dame is already a scheduling partner with the ACC, although it seems unlikely that the conference would be able to convince the school to shed its football independence and become a full-time member of the league. Other potential additions — again, if they go the three-division route — could include Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF and UConn.

15 months ago the ACC didn't have a restrictive GOR package did they?
Things change...plans change.
Not saying you didn't hear anything...just saying they might not follow thru with it.

Like we all say....Who knows what's going to happen but the facts are the ACC has interest in Mem and UC

Also the fact Fedex has stepped up and made the offer to cover us taking a smaller payout has opened our options.

for any real Tiger fan to discount what has been actually disccussed by conferences ala the article from Dodd 15 months ago is dumb.

Talks are happening between the ACC and BIG 12. Where and if we land is of course still in the air.

Got a PM from another reliable Tiger supporter last night who says we've had 2 meetings in Atlanta in 2016 with reps from the ACC

I never claimed we are getting an invite from the ACC or B12. All I said was there is interest and for us interest is good.

There isn't a bidding war to get the Tigers or Bearcats. Either school would have to make financial concessions to get an invite to either conference. That said both conferences see long term value in both UM and UC.

Notre Dame's stubbornness is helping our cause

That's all I was passing along.

(08-14-2016 06:40 PM)springcat Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 04:59 PM)L-yes Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 01:23 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Has anyone else heard this?

All I can do is pass along what I've heard to be completely legit

The ACC has 15 teams in their hybrid system by including Notre Dame in all sports but football

The conference AD's want to get ahead of the game to block the B12 from taking prospective future colleges they have interest in for the long term.

What I heard is the ACC wants to be the first conference to go to 18 football teams to completely eliminate any chance of other P5 teams growing faster. They see it as a block and forever protect their BCS interests. For ex - If the SEC offers FSU and GT the conference still has enough high level teams and supportive teams good enough not to get "Demoted"

The top tier teams such as VaTech/FSU/Clemson/Miami seem to be very much in favor of expansion because they know they will dominate the conference for the next 5-10 years

The other reason they like the idea is because it sets them up for the "Forever Invite" to the BCS games

Why the lower level ACC teams are somewhat on board is the fear of losing the top 3-4 teams to the SEC, B12, Big 10

Plus I've heard if the ACC goes to 15 football members it virtually forces Notre Dame to BLANK or get it off the pot

The ACC blue bloods have witnessed first hand the Louisville rise and see the long term value of the Louisville, Memphis, Cincy connection.

Hate to say this but UC is the first choice but Memphis is neck and neck due to rising ticket sales and Fedex.

Before the B12 makes an offer the ACC is planning to block taking Memphis and Cincinnati.

Personally, I'm cool with either conference because basketball would be more fun in the ACC but being able to play UT OK every year would be awesome as well.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Smh.

Personally I'd LOVE for this to happen. Would be awesome to have you guys back and it would be fun to show you around the place and watch what you do with the resources.

But what in the world would the ACC have to gain by expanding at this point? It has never been a reactionary conference and has always made calculated and quiet moves. Barring some unforeseen consequence from the B10 expanding again I don't see the reason it would preemptively take anyone right now. It has isolated options on the eastern seaboard that I'm not sure a B12 GOR would protect if the ACC wanted them. I'm 40. It sunk in that I'll be 60 before our GOR expires. That's insane. That's a lifetime in this madness that has been rocking our programs since 1990ish.

With the circus that is the B12 I think the ACC is content to sit and watch. I think there's a better chance of the B12 blowing itself apart in the immediate future than the ACC expanding again.

That said, either of those things happening would probably be good for the Tigers.

"Show us around the place"?

The arrogance!

Don't clutch those pearls too hard.

It's pretty cool. If you get locked out I bet you'd let me give you a tour to get in. Funny what offends people, especially old rivals. Arrogance. lol

(08-15-2016 12:03 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Since 1994

Notre Dame has been in 16 bowl games

They have won exactly 4 games out of 16 since '94

Tell me the BCS hasn't hurt ND.

The 4 bowl games actually won out of the 16 total were:

Hawaii Bowl
Sun Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl
Music City Bowl

In the last 22 seasons these are the bowl victories for Notre Dame

They aren't what they used to be

There is DEFINITELY pressure on ND to join a P5

Their results speak for themselves

As a college football fan it makes logical sense for them to go all in with the ACC because their chances of winning are better. They sure as heck couldn't compete in the SEC.

Here are the terms of the Notre Dame deal with the ACC:
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...cc-network

"The ACC's new grant of rights also automatically extends Notre Dame's contract with the conference as a member in all sports but football through 2035-36, a source said. If the Irish forgo football independence in the next 20 years, they will be contracted to join the ACC."

To use your terms, Notre Dame has BLANKED on the pot - they are in the ACC for the next two decades, and if they decide to join a conference in football it will HAVE to be the ACC. So Notre Dame is in a position to wait out conference realignment for the next decade and a half at least.

Memphis and Cincy have nothing - repeat nothing - to do with that decision. Notre Dame's refusal to join a conference has certainly helped a few schools out - you are right on that account - but that doesn't mean for a second adding a school to the ACC forces them to make a decision - the two are entirely separate issues.

Quote:Just 15 months ago and our football season last year was the most impressive by knocking off Ole Miss

Drop the mic

Yes, it was, and thank god for it. But that is the same argument Arkansas State is making to try to get into the Big XII, and I don't see them joining on that fact alone, either. So pick the mic back up, man. (For the record, I didn't drop my mic, somebody else did it for me.)

Look, I said it before and I'll say it again: Memphis and Cincy may end up in the ACC. Seriously. But it won't have a damn thing to do with 'blocking' the Big XII or 'protecting' anybody or any of the other reasons stated in the OP.
And I'll be happy to take it up with whomever is your source if you like, even if it's Swofford himself; I'll be happy to tell him he's BLANKing himself if he thinks he's 'blocking' anybody.

Word on the street is ACC is gonna lose a couple more schools, that's why the interest in Memphis, uconn, and cincy

(08-15-2016 07:02 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Word on the street is ACC is gonna lose a couple more schools, that's why the interest in Memphis, uconn, and cincy

Word on my street is we have a much better shot at the ACC than Houston does at the Pac12

Just when I think it can't get any crazier in here.

(08-15-2016 07:14 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:02 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Word on the street is ACC is gonna lose a couple more schools, that's why the interest in Memphis, uconn, and cincy

Word on my street is we have a much better shot at the ACC than Houston does at the Pac12

I believe that & you can add UH's chances to join the B1G too. Neither of those things are happening.

Related to the ACC, with their current GOR, just recently extended VOLUNTARILY by all members, the ACC won't be losing any current members for the next 20 yrs. The ACC may add one member at some point & it's likely WV if they wait for the B12 GOR to expire or Cincy or UConn (maybe Memphis but not likely) if the ACC decides to move sooner.