(08-12-2016 11:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 07:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  How shocking would it be if the 4 they chose were Temple, Arkansas St, NIU, and Colorado St?!

ESPN would loooove that... lol.

ESPN is going to hate whoever they choose to add. They'd much rather the Big 12 sit at 10 teams. That's why no one seems to agree to whether or not 14 or 12 is the right number.

As for AState: We're not idiots. We all know we're not getting in this cycle. We're thinking about future cycles. Specifically for that inevitable time when Texas and Oklahoma bail and the Big 12 blows up. We want our name to be out there whenever the league reorganizes at that point.

Plus, we are already making a presentation to the AAC, so why not send one to the Big 12 as well. It's all about feedback and learning where you can improve.

Well, as they say, ya never know till ya ask! We're holding out for a better offer.

(08-13-2016 08:14 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 07:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  How shocking would it be if the 4 they chose were Temple, Arkansas St, NIU, and Colorado St?!

ESPN would loooove that... lol.

ESPN is going to hate whoever they choose to add. They'd much rather the Big 12 sit at 10 teams. That's why no one seems to agree to whether or not 14 or 12 is the right number.

As for AState: We're not idiots. We all know we're not getting in this cycle. We're thinking about future cycles. Specifically for that inevitable time when Texas and Oklahoma bail and the Big 12 blows up. We want our name to be out there whenever the league reorganizes at that point.

Plus, we are already making a presentation to the AAC, so why not send one to the Big 12 as well. It's all about feedback and learning where you can improve.

Well, as they say, ya never know till ya ask! We're holding out for a better offer.

I can't blame some schools for throwing they're names in the hat, they are just trying to better the perception of they're name to the avg viewer. Here we are all above a avg viewers which is why we are always on these board and it looks more like a bad joke to us.

(08-13-2016 07:22 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:33 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:47 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  I would think USM, La Tech and Marshall could make as good a case as half of those teams.

Ha, for us that'd be pissin' money down the drain. Lower tier academics and WVU's no vote make it an impossibility.

Can anyone have lower academics than wvu??

They know who they want. All these others are these guys:

That's funny, but I did say lower tier. We just don't have the PhD programs in place that others do as we were a Masters college and then university for a long time. We are slowly adding degrees in the PhD range or equivalent and may move up in the next decade or two. WVU has an impressive list of PhDs in just the ones they give to people who never attended or finished their school.

It's funny that I thought of this scene when I read the tweet too. I guess it's all about, "Getting your school's name out there," but I think the Kent's, Lonnie's, Muhammad's, Jugdish's, Sydney's, and Clayton's of the G5 world probably know who they are. Probably, being the operative word

(08-12-2016 05:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Every single CUSA administration should be making their case for the AAC.

Last time Big XII was looking to expand, they gave interested teams a list of qualities they had to meet. USM got that list and immediately knew we weren't a candidate. First thing on the list? 50,000 seat stadium.

(08-13-2016 08:14 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 07:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  How shocking would it be if the 4 they chose were Temple, Arkansas St, NIU, and Colorado St?!

ESPN would loooove that... lol.

ESPN is going to hate whoever they choose to add. They'd much rather the Big 12 sit at 10 teams. That's why no one seems to agree to whether or not 14 or 12 is the right number.

As for AState: We're not idiots. We all know we're not getting in this cycle. We're thinking about future cycles. Specifically for that inevitable time when Texas and Oklahoma bail and the Big 12 blows up. We want our name to be out there whenever the league reorganizes at that point.

Plus, we are already making a presentation to the AAC, so why not send one to the Big 12 as well. It's all about feedback and learning where you can improve.

Well, as they say, ya never know till ya ask! We're holding out for a better offer.

Yeah, that's always worked out well for us in the past.

(08-13-2016 09:21 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Last time Big XII was looking to expand, they gave interested teams a list of qualities they had to meet. USM got that list and immediately knew we weren't a candidate. First thing on the list? 50,000 seat stadium.

Really? Damn, UTEP certainly has that but for some strange reason we didn't publically ask for an audition.

TCU and Baylor don't have 50,000 seat stadiums. Neither does UH.

(08-13-2016 09:21 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Last time Big XII was looking to expand, they gave interested teams a list of qualities they had to meet. USM got that list and immediately knew we weren't a candidate. First thing on the list? 50,000 seat stadium.

That can't be anything like a hard and fast rule. Baylor's new stadium seats only 45,000, and candidate Colorado State's building a stadium that seats a max of 40,000. Cincy's newly redone Nippert Stadium is at 40,000. UCF is 45,000. UConn is 40,000. Houston's is 40,000.

(08-13-2016 09:17 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Every single CUSA administration should be making their case for the AAC.

Beg? No.

Make your case now or risk not even having a chance of being picked. Maybe you don't view the move as an upgrade, maybe even your administration would agree, but regardless of how I feel about the move right bow, I'd rather be jockeying for position now, than scrambling to catch up later if/when circumstances change.

(08-13-2016 08:27 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 08:14 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 07:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  How shocking would it be if the 4 they chose were Temple, Arkansas St, NIU, and Colorado St?!

ESPN would loooove that... lol.

ESPN is going to hate whoever they choose to add. They'd much rather the Big 12 sit at 10 teams. That's why no one seems to agree to whether or not 14 or 12 is the right number.

As for AState: We're not idiots. We all know we're not getting in this cycle. We're thinking about future cycles. Specifically for that inevitable time when Texas and Oklahoma bail and the Big 12 blows up. We want our name to be out there whenever the league reorganizes at that point.

Plus, we are already making a presentation to the AAC, so why not send one to the Big 12 as well. It's all about feedback and learning where you can improve.

Well, as they say, ya never know till ya ask! We're holding out for a better offer.

I can't blame some schools for throwing they're names in the hat, they are just trying to better the perception of they're name to the avg viewer. Here we are all above a avg viewers which is why we are always on these board and it looks more like a bad joke to us.

Not about that. We never intended for it to come out that we were even sending a presentation to the Big 12. We were mainly attempting to get feedback, and were honored that they agreed to listen to our presentation.

Most schools communicate with realignment as a way to position themselves for the future. It's generally kept quiet because your current league doesn't want you talking to others. We'll send a presentation to the AAC and never acknowledge it publicly because Karl Benson is very gung ho right now about SBC teams not leaving for another G5 league. No need to unnecessarily tick anyone off.

(08-12-2016 11:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 07:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  How shocking would it be if the 4 they chose were Temple, Arkansas St, NIU, and Colorado St?!

ESPN would loooove that... lol.

ESPN is going to hate whoever they choose to add. They'd much rather the Big 12 sit at 10 teams. That's why no one seems to agree to whether or not 14 or 12 is the right number.

As for AState: We're not idiots. We all know we're not getting in this cycle. We're thinking about future cycles. Specifically for that inevitable time when Texas and Oklahoma bail and the Big 12 blows up. We want our name to be out there whenever the league reorganizes at that point.

Plus, we are already making a presentation to the AAC, so why not send one to the Big 12 as well. It's all about feedback and learning where you can improve.

Middle should have Cc Big 12 on their letter to the AAC

For the schools that haven't applied to the B12 in the G5 I honestly think its because their administrations don't want a P5.

They are happy to be in FBS playing other schools of similar resources in their conference and a dream season of a Peach Bowl.

It's the G5 programs that have deep pockets for athletics and want a shot at the playoff that are making to take the first train out.

(08-13-2016 12:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For the schools that haven't applied to the B12 in the G5 I honestly think its because their administrations don't want a P5.

They are happy to be in FBS playing other schools of similar resources in their conference and a dream season of a Peach Bowl.

It's the G5 programs that have deep pockets for athletics and want a shot at the playoff that are making to take the first train out.

Deep pockets like Arkansas State?

Your conjecture is as silly as it always has been.

(08-13-2016 12:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For the schools that haven't applied to the B12 in the G5 I honestly think its because their administrations don't want a P5.

They are happy to be in FBS playing other schools of similar resources in their conference and a dream season of a Peach Bowl.

It's the G5 programs that have deep pockets for athletics and want a shot at the playoff that are making to take the first train out.

I agree some may be asking what is better? being a strong G5 with great years or fighting with Iowa St and Kansas at the bottom of a P5 conference?

for stAte, i see the positives of throwing their name in the ring if nothing else than to get feedback, a little exposure, and show their fan base and donor base they are being proactive.

Yes, Texas/Oklahoma/OSU are out of stAte's league, but most of the other candidates and some of the current B12 members are not so far ahead of stAte or programs in CUSA. All of the candidates would catch up pretty quick with a decade of exposure, $$, recruiting, and the right commitment.

(08-13-2016 12:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 12:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For the schools that haven't applied to the B12 in the G5 I honestly think its because their administrations don't want a P5.

They are happy to be in FBS playing other schools of similar resources in their conference and a dream season of a Peach Bowl.

It's the G5 programs that have deep pockets for athletics and want a shot at the playoff that are making to take the first train out.

Deep pockets like Arkansas State?

Your conjecture is as silly as it always has been.

We don't have the donors that most teams do, but we also turn a profit as an Athletic Department despite a 30 million dollar budget. That's something that is not as common in the G5.

We seriously see ourselves as a team that can play at the P5 level one day.

WOW....

lol at the silliness

Do you really believe ASU is turning a profit on a 30 million budget? Try winning a game vs a P5 school before thinking you can actually compete on a weekly bases. Isn't ASU something like 0-21 vs p5 over the last 10 years? With 90% of those over with before starting the 4th qt?

And I thought fishermen told tall tales LOL

(08-13-2016 12:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 12:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 12:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For the schools that haven't applied to the B12 in the G5 I honestly think its because their administrations don't want a P5.

They are happy to be in FBS playing other schools of similar resources in their conference and a dream season of a Peach Bowl.

It's the G5 programs that have deep pockets for athletics and want a shot at the playoff that are making to take the first train out.

Deep pockets like Arkansas State?

Your conjecture is as silly as it always has been.

We don't have the donors that most teams do, but we also turn a profit as an Athletic Department despite a 30 million dollar budget. That's something that is not as common in the G5.

We seriously see ourselves as a team that can play at the P5 level one day.

Please don't mistake my snark as being directed at Arkansas State, but rather at the idea that stAte has deeper pockets than schools that didn't submit a presentation.

There are more than a few G5 programs that didn't apply with as much or more money than stAte.

No one from the SBC/CUSA/MAC is getting into the Big XII. Could applying now help your case in the long run? Perhaps, I'm not really sure how, but I don't really see it hurting you.

Could focusing on a Big XII invite undermine AAC chances? Absolutely. I don't know if it will, but I think a Big XII presentatuon is more likely to hurt short term AAC goals than it is to help long term Big XII goals.

(08-13-2016 01:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  WOW....

lol at the silliness

Do you really believe ASU is turning a profit on a 30 million budget? Try winning a game vs a P5 school before thinking you can actually compete on a weekly bases. Isn't ASU something like 0-21 vs p5 over the last 10 years? With 90% of those over with before starting the 4th qt?

And I thought fishermen told tall tales LOL

stAte beat A&M in 2008 at Kyle Field and has played many close games against P5s over the years. I think this year's team would compete very well with the likes of Texas Tech/Kansas/K State/Iowa and have a good chance against a lot of Big12 teams at home.

stAte has hosted games against TCU, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Cinncinatti, Louisville, Oklahoma St., has Miami (FLA) coming to Jonesboro next season, and has a home and home series set with Iowa State and many other AAC and MWC teams

stAte has also averaged around 25k per season over the last 5 years and sold over 10 season tickets last year. stAte opened it's indoor practice facility and it's new luxury suites and press box last year, and will break ground on a new football operations center next year.

Not suggesting stAte will be close to an invite, but maybe you don't have all the facts and information as to how the program has improved.

(08-13-2016 11:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 09:17 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Every single CUSA administration should be making their case for the AAC.

Beg? No.

Make your case now or risk not even having a chance of being picked. Maybe you don't view the move as an upgrade, maybe even your administration would agree, but regardless of how I feel about the move right bow, I'd rather be jockeying for position now, than scrambling to catch up later if/when circumstances change.

The way I look at it is if you're not in a P5 league, it's not going to matter what other league you are in. ESPN doesn't want to pay the current AAC teams, why should I or any other fan believe they are going to pay the same or more money for a league that includes ODU, MTSU, or Marshall.