(08-12-2016 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, having a school named after an oppressor (for you Confederates - perceived oppressor if you'd like) can be very damaging to a school's mission. By the way, HISD is probably the BEST large urban school system in the country. Compared to its other urban peers and to those that have a 76 poverty rate of its students, it actually matches up well.

No white guilt here. Just a frank understanding that rebellion for the purpose of retaining/protecting slavery isn't something that should be venerated and is something that could harm the educational misson of HISD. Support for the Confederacy and veneration of its leaders was considered socially acceptable at one point. It really isn't now. Confederates were people of their age, with views of their age. Times change. Besides, keeping those names up there probably cause more animosity towards those who wish to retain some historical context of the Civil War than they would have otherwise.

At some point, those names were going to be changed. So the money was going to spent eventually. 1.5 million out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget? For something that will be appreciated by thousands of the school students and opposed by virtually none of the stakeholders in HISD? No issue.

please tell me how much you appreciated your school name when you were growing up.

These schools are falling apart, and you know that Tom. You live in Houston. How about using that money for repairs or getting better teachers, or even try to retain them. HISD is ranked #63 of best public school systems in the nation and they have been plague by problems.

The precarious state of Houston schools

Quote:But instead, HISD spent $60 million on Apollo 20, created by Harvard EdLabs' Roland Fryer. Billed as a turnaround plan for troubled schools, it was largely a test-prep program. The results were sharp declines in AP (Advanced Placement) scores, as shown by HISD's own figures; no sustained STAAR gains; and 25 percent enrollment declines in many Apollo schools. Even with such poor results, the HISD board subsequently approved another contract with EdLabs for a similar program, Leverage Leadership.

Quote:HISD teacher turnover has risen steadily from 11.1 percent in 2009 to 19.5 percent in 2013. In more than 22 schools, annual teacher turnover is 50 percent or higher. According to Texas Education Agency figures, since 2012, half of HISD principals are new.

HISD is hemorrhaging strong teachers, recruited eagerly by neighboring school districts offering more autonomy, higher compensation, and better teacher training. Increasingly, children return from summer vacation to schools full of strangers unfamiliar with their histories. This would not stand at private schools such as Kinkaid. The HISD board should recognize that teacher and principal turnover has become an obstacle to student learning.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gr...085486.php

but go ahead and think that changing the names of schools will better the students...

(08-12-2016 11:49 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:22 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:12 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:08 AM)john01992 Wrote:  how much does it take to change a building name? you are kidding yourself at this point.

it's money well spent IMO considering they are losing confederate names.

about $1.2 million...

I love how you intentionally promote your own stupidity and do so with pride. a few posts ago you were openly acknowledging that a portion of $1.2 mill is going to athletics. yet now you claim none of it is going to athletics.

did I say exactly that the whole $1.2m was going to go to renaming the schoosl? I said ABOUT $1.2m, because it would only cost about $80k to get band uniforms to the 4 high schools with an enrollment of about 200 band members. But keep going, keep reading whats not there.

do you have a source on that 80K. I mean that's how much this SD is spending on the new uni's?

if you already knew this...why ask?

It was a rhetorical question... do I need to explain to you what that means?

So $100 on average for a school ban uniform...

Quote:The design of the uniforms can be very basic or extremely striking. This is generally the most common factor for setting the price of a marching band uniform. The average price for band uniforms can range from $20 to $200 per uniform.

Read more: http://www.howmuchisit.org/marching-band...z4H8b0zSuN

The average marching band has about 200 members, so $100 x 200 students = $20,000 x 4 high schools... = $80,000. Do I need to explain it to you barney style?

(08-12-2016 11:57 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:49 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:22 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:12 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  about $1.2 million...

I love how you intentionally promote your own stupidity and do so with pride. a few posts ago you were openly acknowledging that a portion of $1.2 mill is going to athletics. yet now you claim none of it is going to athletics.

did I say exactly that the whole $1.2m was going to go to renaming the schoosl? I said ABOUT $1.2m, because it would only cost about $80k to get band uniforms to the 4 high schools with an enrollment of about 200 band members. But keep going, keep reading whats not there.

do you have a source on that 80K. I mean that's how much this SD is spending on the new uni's?

if you already knew this...why ask?

It was a rhetorical question... do I need to explain to you what that means?

So $100 on average for a school ban uniform...

Quote:The design of the uniforms can be very basic or extremely striking. This is generally the most common factor for setting the price of a marching band uniform. The average price for band uniforms can range from $20 to $200 per uniform.

Read more: http://www.howmuchisit.org/marching-band...z4H8b0zSuN

The average marching band has about 200 members, so $100 x 200 students = $20,000 x 4 high schools... = $80,000. Do I need to explain it to you barney style?

so you are just guessing for the $1.2 million

(08-12-2016 11:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, having a school named after an oppressor (for you Confederates - perceived oppressor if you'd like) can be very damaging to a school's mission. By the way, HISD is probably the BEST large urban school system in the country. Compared to its other urban peers and to those that have a 76 poverty rate of its students, it actually matches up well.

No white guilt here. Just a frank understanding that rebellion for the purpose of retaining/protecting slavery isn't something that should be venerated and is something that could harm the educational misson of HISD. Support for the Confederacy and veneration of its leaders was considered socially acceptable at one point. It really isn't now. Confederates were people of their age, with views of their age. Times change. Besides, keeping those names up there probably cause more animosity towards those who wish to retain some historical context of the Civil War than they would have otherwise.

At some point, those names were going to be changed. So the money was going to spent eventually. 1.5 million out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget? For something that will be appreciated by thousands of the school students and opposed by virtually none of the stakeholders in HISD? No issue.

please tell me how much you appreciated your school name when you were growing up.

These schools are falling apart, and you know that Tom. You live in Houston. How about using that money for repairs or getting better teachers, or even try to retain them. HISD is ranked #63 of best public school systems in the nation and they have been plague by problems.

The precarious state of Houston schools

Quote:But instead, HISD spent $60 million on Apollo 20, created by Harvard EdLabs' Roland Fryer. Billed as a turnaround plan for troubled schools, it was largely a test-prep program. The results were sharp declines in AP (Advanced Placement) scores, as shown by HISD's own figures; no sustained STAAR gains; and 25 percent enrollment declines in many Apollo schools. Even with such poor results, the HISD board subsequently approved another contract with EdLabs for a similar program, Leverage Leadership.

Quote:HISD teacher turnover has risen steadily from 11.1 percent in 2009 to 19.5 percent in 2013. In more than 22 schools, annual teacher turnover is 50 percent or higher. According to Texas Education Agency figures, since 2012, half of HISD principals are new.

HISD is hemorrhaging strong teachers, recruited eagerly by neighboring school districts offering more autonomy, higher compensation, and better teacher training. Increasingly, children return from summer vacation to schools full of strangers unfamiliar with their histories. This would not stand at private schools such as Kinkaid. The HISD board should recognize that teacher and principal turnover has become an obstacle to student learning.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gr...085486.php

but go ahead and think that changing the names of schools will better the students...

HISD is an urban school, with a largely poor student base. Compare HISD to its other peers. LA Unified? Chicago PS? San Diego Unified? NYC PS? Miami? Dallas? San Antonio? HISD blows them all away. People with resources send their kids to HISD. Lots of them.

HISD has issues. I know LOTS of teachers there. Doing the urban school system thing is hard. Students don't come from families where education is prioritized. Kids come in not understanding English. Kids come from families that are broken, or where economic problems create barriers to learning. And the charter schools in Houston that have the same student profile as HISD aren't producing significantly higher results either (possibly hampered by there being virtually no requirements/oversight for charter schools in Texas).

Apparently spending 1.5 million (out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget - the largest in Texas) to change names of schools to something that isn't deeply offensive to a very large number of students is a problem but a school district spending 100 million (frequently out of a much smaller total budget) on a high school football stadium is not a problem?

(08-12-2016 12:03 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, having a school named after an oppressor (for you Confederates - perceived oppressor if you'd like) can be very damaging to a school's mission. By the way, HISD is probably the BEST large urban school system in the country. Compared to its other urban peers and to those that have a 76 poverty rate of its students, it actually matches up well.

No white guilt here. Just a frank understanding that rebellion for the purpose of retaining/protecting slavery isn't something that should be venerated and is something that could harm the educational misson of HISD. Support for the Confederacy and veneration of its leaders was considered socially acceptable at one point. It really isn't now. Confederates were people of their age, with views of their age. Times change. Besides, keeping those names up there probably cause more animosity towards those who wish to retain some historical context of the Civil War than they would have otherwise.

At some point, those names were going to be changed. So the money was going to spent eventually. 1.5 million out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget? For something that will be appreciated by thousands of the school students and opposed by virtually none of the stakeholders in HISD? No issue.

please tell me how much you appreciated your school name when you were growing up.

These schools are falling apart, and you know that Tom. You live in Houston. How about using that money for repairs or getting better teachers, or even try to retain them. HISD is ranked #63 of best public school systems in the nation and they have been plague by problems.

The precarious state of Houston schools

Quote:But instead, HISD spent $60 million on Apollo 20, created by Harvard EdLabs' Roland Fryer. Billed as a turnaround plan for troubled schools, it was largely a test-prep program. The results were sharp declines in AP (Advanced Placement) scores, as shown by HISD's own figures; no sustained STAAR gains; and 25 percent enrollment declines in many Apollo schools. Even with such poor results, the HISD board subsequently approved another contract with EdLabs for a similar program, Leverage Leadership.

Quote:HISD teacher turnover has risen steadily from 11.1 percent in 2009 to 19.5 percent in 2013. In more than 22 schools, annual teacher turnover is 50 percent or higher. According to Texas Education Agency figures, since 2012, half of HISD principals are new.

HISD is hemorrhaging strong teachers, recruited eagerly by neighboring school districts offering more autonomy, higher compensation, and better teacher training. Increasingly, children return from summer vacation to schools full of strangers unfamiliar with their histories. This would not stand at private schools such as Kinkaid. The HISD board should recognize that teacher and principal turnover has become an obstacle to student learning.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gr...085486.php

but go ahead and think that changing the names of schools will better the students...

HISD is an urban school, with a largely poor student base. Compare HISD to its other peers. LA Unified? Chicago PS? San Diego Unified? NYC PS? Miami? Dallas? San Antonio? HISD blows them all away. People with resources send their kids to HISD. Lots of them.

HISD has issues. I know LOTS of teachers there. Doing the urban school system thing is hard. Students don't come from families where education is prioritized. Kids come in not understanding English. Kids come from families that are broken, or where economic problems create barriers to learning. And the charter schools in Houston that have the same student profile as HISD aren't producing significantly higher results either (possibly hampered by there being virtually no requirements/oversight for charter schools in Texas).

Apparently spending 1.5 million (out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget - the largest in Texas) to change names of schools to something that isn't deeply offensive to a very large number of students is a problem but a school district spending 100 million (frequently out of a much smaller total budget) on a high school football stadium is not a problem?

New Orleans is #19
Austin is #20
Seattle #25
San Diego #39
San Francisco #44
Dallas #49
Cincinnati #56
Houston #62

https://local.niche.com/rankings/cities/...c-schools/

so tell me how Houston blows them out of the water...

so you are saying that the problems with students are their backgrounds, but also the name of the schools? hmmm interesting.

(08-12-2016 12:12 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:03 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, having a school named after an oppressor (for you Confederates - perceived oppressor if you'd like) can be very damaging to a school's mission. By the way, HISD is probably the BEST large urban school system in the country. Compared to its other urban peers and to those that have a 76 poverty rate of its students, it actually matches up well.

No white guilt here. Just a frank understanding that rebellion for the purpose of retaining/protecting slavery isn't something that should be venerated and is something that could harm the educational misson of HISD. Support for the Confederacy and veneration of its leaders was considered socially acceptable at one point. It really isn't now. Confederates were people of their age, with views of their age. Times change. Besides, keeping those names up there probably cause more animosity towards those who wish to retain some historical context of the Civil War than they would have otherwise.

At some point, those names were going to be changed. So the money was going to spent eventually. 1.5 million out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget? For something that will be appreciated by thousands of the school students and opposed by virtually none of the stakeholders in HISD? No issue.

please tell me how much you appreciated your school name when you were growing up.

These schools are falling apart, and you know that Tom. You live in Houston. How about using that money for repairs or getting better teachers, or even try to retain them. HISD is ranked #63 of best public school systems in the nation and they have been plague by problems.

The precarious state of Houston schools

Quote:But instead, HISD spent $60 million on Apollo 20, created by Harvard EdLabs' Roland Fryer. Billed as a turnaround plan for troubled schools, it was largely a test-prep program. The results were sharp declines in AP (Advanced Placement) scores, as shown by HISD's own figures; no sustained STAAR gains; and 25 percent enrollment declines in many Apollo schools. Even with such poor results, the HISD board subsequently approved another contract with EdLabs for a similar program, Leverage Leadership.

Quote:HISD teacher turnover has risen steadily from 11.1 percent in 2009 to 19.5 percent in 2013. In more than 22 schools, annual teacher turnover is 50 percent or higher. According to Texas Education Agency figures, since 2012, half of HISD principals are new.

HISD is hemorrhaging strong teachers, recruited eagerly by neighboring school districts offering more autonomy, higher compensation, and better teacher training. Increasingly, children return from summer vacation to schools full of strangers unfamiliar with their histories. This would not stand at private schools such as Kinkaid. The HISD board should recognize that teacher and principal turnover has become an obstacle to student learning.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gr...085486.php

but go ahead and think that changing the names of schools will better the students...

HISD is an urban school, with a largely poor student base. Compare HISD to its other peers. LA Unified? Chicago PS? San Diego Unified? NYC PS? Miami? Dallas? San Antonio? HISD blows them all away. People with resources send their kids to HISD. Lots of them.

HISD has issues. I know LOTS of teachers there. Doing the urban school system thing is hard. Students don't come from families where education is prioritized. Kids come in not understanding English. Kids come from families that are broken, or where economic problems create barriers to learning. And the charter schools in Houston that have the same student profile as HISD aren't producing significantly higher results either (possibly hampered by there being virtually no requirements/oversight for charter schools in Texas).

Apparently spending 1.5 million (out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget - the largest in Texas) to change names of schools to something that isn't deeply offensive to a very large number of students is a problem but a school district spending 100 million (frequently out of a much smaller total budget) on a high school football stadium is not a problem?

New Orleans is #19
Austin is #20
Seattle #25
San Diego #39
San Francisco #44
Dallas #49
Cincinnati #56
Houston #62

https://local.niche.com/rankings/cities/...c-schools/

so tell me how Houston blows them out of the water...

so you are saying that the problems with students are their backgrounds, but also the name of the schools? hmmm interesting.

Uh, what does that ranking even take into account? Parent reviews? Is this Angie's List. New Orleans PS at 19th? Ahead of Carlsbad USD? No friggin' way. Here's the WaPo

http://blogs.houstonisd.org/news/2015/04...-rankings/

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

Lee, Davis and Reagan are predominately Hispanic schools. Dowling is a slight majority Hispanic with most of the rest Black. Johnston and Lanier are pretty diverse. I believe Jackson is overwhelmingly Black. This is much more a school board thing than something arising from the schools themselves. Mostly it seems to generate a yawn from the residents.

(08-12-2016 12:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:12 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:03 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:53 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, having a school named after an oppressor (for you Confederates - perceived oppressor if you'd like) can be very damaging to a school's mission. By the way, HISD is probably the BEST large urban school system in the country. Compared to its other urban peers and to those that have a 76 poverty rate of its students, it actually matches up well.

No white guilt here. Just a frank understanding that rebellion for the purpose of retaining/protecting slavery isn't something that should be venerated and is something that could harm the educational misson of HISD. Support for the Confederacy and veneration of its leaders was considered socially acceptable at one point. It really isn't now. Confederates were people of their age, with views of their age. Times change. Besides, keeping those names up there probably cause more animosity towards those who wish to retain some historical context of the Civil War than they would have otherwise.

At some point, those names were going to be changed. So the money was going to spent eventually. 1.5 million out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget? For something that will be appreciated by thousands of the school students and opposed by virtually none of the stakeholders in HISD? No issue.

please tell me how much you appreciated your school name when you were growing up.

These schools are falling apart, and you know that Tom. You live in Houston. How about using that money for repairs or getting better teachers, or even try to retain them. HISD is ranked #63 of best public school systems in the nation and they have been plague by problems.

The precarious state of Houston schools

Quote:But instead, HISD spent $60 million on Apollo 20, created by Harvard EdLabs' Roland Fryer. Billed as a turnaround plan for troubled schools, it was largely a test-prep program. The results were sharp declines in AP (Advanced Placement) scores, as shown by HISD's own figures; no sustained STAAR gains; and 25 percent enrollment declines in many Apollo schools. Even with such poor results, the HISD board subsequently approved another contract with EdLabs for a similar program, Leverage Leadership.

Quote:HISD teacher turnover has risen steadily from 11.1 percent in 2009 to 19.5 percent in 2013. In more than 22 schools, annual teacher turnover is 50 percent or higher. According to Texas Education Agency figures, since 2012, half of HISD principals are new.

HISD is hemorrhaging strong teachers, recruited eagerly by neighboring school districts offering more autonomy, higher compensation, and better teacher training. Increasingly, children return from summer vacation to schools full of strangers unfamiliar with their histories. This would not stand at private schools such as Kinkaid. The HISD board should recognize that teacher and principal turnover has become an obstacle to student learning.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gr...085486.php

but go ahead and think that changing the names of schools will better the students...

HISD is an urban school, with a largely poor student base. Compare HISD to its other peers. LA Unified? Chicago PS? San Diego Unified? NYC PS? Miami? Dallas? San Antonio? HISD blows them all away. People with resources send their kids to HISD. Lots of them.

HISD has issues. I know LOTS of teachers there. Doing the urban school system thing is hard. Students don't come from families where education is prioritized. Kids come in not understanding English. Kids come from families that are broken, or where economic problems create barriers to learning. And the charter schools in Houston that have the same student profile as HISD aren't producing significantly higher results either (possibly hampered by there being virtually no requirements/oversight for charter schools in Texas).

Apparently spending 1.5 million (out of a 1.8 billion dollar budget - the largest in Texas) to change names of schools to something that isn't deeply offensive to a very large number of students is a problem but a school district spending 100 million (frequently out of a much smaller total budget) on a high school football stadium is not a problem?

New Orleans is #19
Austin is #20
Seattle #25
San Diego #39
San Francisco #44
Dallas #49
Cincinnati #56
Houston #62

https://local.niche.com/rankings/cities/...c-schools/

so tell me how Houston blows them out of the water...

so you are saying that the problems with students are their backgrounds, but also the name of the schools? hmmm interesting.

Uh, what does that ranking even take into account? Parent reviews? Here's the WaPo

http://blogs.houstonisd.org/news/2015/04...-rankings/

Well if you would go to the link, you would see that they take into account... "Explore the cities with the best public schools based on state test scores, graduation rates, SAT/ACT scores, teacher quality, and student and parent reviews. This data is represented as a weighted average of the Niche Grades of area schools." And it's a 2016 article, not a 2015 one like yours... But good job attacking the source because it doesn't fit your argument.


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(08-12-2016 10:36 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'm glad they want to name a school after Buffalo native, Bennett High School and St Bona's all time great basketball star.



























Yeah, I know it's a different Bob Lanier.

Led St Bona to friggin' Final Four.

Well, no one in that district/s can complain about potential budget shortfalls given this waste.

(08-12-2016 12:43 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Well, no one in that district/s can complain about potential budget shortfalls given this waste.

Right after they stop other Texas schools from spending literally billions on athletic facilities using the 'end around' to cheat on Texas's equitable funding laws

(08-12-2016 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

Lee, Davis and Reagan are predominately Hispanic schools. Dowling is a slight majority Hispanic with most of the rest Black. Johnston and Lanier are pretty diverse. I believe Jackson is overwhelmingly Black. This is much more a school board thing than something arising from the schools themselves. Mostly it seems to generate a yawn from the residents.

if only there was a texas revolutionary hero known for his staunch anti-confederacy viewpoints.

(08-12-2016 12:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

Lee, Davis and Reagan are predominately Hispanic schools. Dowling is a slight majority Hispanic with most of the rest Black. Johnston and Lanier are pretty diverse. I believe Jackson is overwhelmingly Black. This is much more a school board thing than something arising from the schools themselves. Mostly it seems to generate a yawn from the residents.

if only there was a texas revolutionary hero known for his staunch anti-confederacy viewpoints.

Well there is a Sam Houston High School.

(08-12-2016 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

Lee, Davis and Reagan are predominately Hispanic schools. Dowling is a slight majority Hispanic with most of the rest Black. Johnston and Lanier are pretty diverse. I believe Jackson is overwhelmingly Black. This is much more a school board thing than something arising from the schools themselves. Mostly it seems to generate a yawn from the residents.

if only there was a texas revolutionary hero known for his staunch anti-confederacy viewpoints.

Well there is a Sam Houston High School.

that's the joke

(08-12-2016 12:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:43 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Well, no one in that district/s can complain about potential budget shortfalls given this waste.

Right after they stop other Texas schools from spending literally billions on athletic facilities using the 'end around' to cheat on Texas's equitable funding laws

I agree. BOTH are wastes given the current state of public education. It's just stupid to waste needed money on both.

(08-12-2016 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

I think this is the part that pisses me off more than anything..

Everyone on this list pretty much fought in the Mexican-American war for the States and for Texas, I believe. Were they on the Confederate side of the Civil war? Yes.. but does that completely overshadow what they did do for Texas at the time?

(08-12-2016 02:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

I think this is the part that pisses me off more than anything..

Everyone on this list pretty much fought in the Mexican-American war for the States and for Texas, I believe. Were they on the Confederate side of the Civil war? Yes.. but does that completely overshadow what they did do for Texas at the time?

The truth is this isn't about what these people did or did not do nor is it about who they were.

(08-12-2016 02:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

I think this is the part that pisses me off more than anything..

Everyone on this list pretty much fought in the Mexican-American war for the States and for Texas, I believe. Were they on the Confederate side of the Civil war? Yes.. but does that completely overshadow what they did do for Texas at the time?

ah. so basically what you are saying is that there should be more benedict arnold high schools.

great... the old, 'I'll stop wasting money on stupid stuff when everyone else does' argument

no wonder we're so screwed

(08-12-2016 02:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 10:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

Quote:HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The Houston Independent School District approved changes for $1.2 million that will cover costs to rename schools named after Confederate leaders.

HISD says the amount will also cover the cost of replacing athletic and band uniforms.

The board voted in May to rename the following schools:
* Lee High School to Margaret Long Wisdom High School
* Albert Sidney Johnston Middle School to Meyerland Performing and Visual Arts Middle School
* Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson Middle School to Yolanda Black Navarro Middle School of Excellence

* John Reagan High School to Heights High School
* Richard Dowling Middle School to Audrey H. Lawson Middle School
* Sidney Lanier Middle School to Bob Lanier Middle School
* Jefferson Davis High School to Northside High School

http://abc13.com/education/hisd-approves...s/1466632/

Such a waste.

And its not just the Confederacy they are pretending didn't exist.

AS Johnston, a general killed at Shiloh, was a Texas Revolution hero.

John Reagan, the Confederate Postmaster General, was a prominent citizen and Texas Revolution hero.

Sidney Lanier was much better known as a poet than for his time as a Confederate soldier.

Dick Dowling was known for being a soldier, but unlike Lee, Jackson and Davis, he was a Houstonian and Texan. And his story was inspiring. He lead 50 men at the Battle of Sabine Pass and stopped a Yankee invasion fleet with 5000 men.

I think this is the part that pisses me off more than anything..

Everyone on this list pretty much fought in the Mexican-American war for the States and for Texas, I believe. Were they on the Confederate side of the Civil war? Yes.. but does that completely overshadow what they did do for Texas at the time?

The truth is this isn't about what these people did or did not do nor is it about who they were.

Exactly! This is about liberals getting triggered at the sight of something that they dont agree on.