And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
(08-09-2016 10:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote: Sin is a constant battle we all face. Christians aren't perfect, we are forgiven.
Neither candidate is a Christian based on their own words and actions.
Trump sounds confused and lost, Hillary sounds like a Godless heathen.
Both are clearly in darkness.
What specifically has Hillary done to warrant that perception Eric? While I'm sure she's far from the model Christian, she's clearly not anywhere near the likes of Trump...who appears to only be finding religion to get votes. To me, that is just about the lowest one can stoop.
From Matthew 7
Quote:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Quote:Revelation 21:8 ESV / 310 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Quote:1 Timothy 1:9-11 ESV / 64 helpful votes
Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
And yes, Trump is guilty of a lot of this as well.
Sinning does not make you a Godless heathen. I don't even consider Trump that for cripes sake!
This is clearly from several years back...but it's still relevant.
Quote:Hillary Clinton grew up in a Methodist household, she taught Methodist Sunday school like her mother, is a member of a Senate prayer group, and regularly attends the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington. Hillary Clinton can be placed in the moderate to liberal wing of American Christianity, but she appears to share a number of attitudes with more conservative American Christians. Clinton's liberalism is a relative matter: she's more liberal than many in America, and certainly more liberal than the Christian Right, but she has a long way to go to support truly progressive stances when it comes to religious debates.
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There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton's religiosity is superficial or an affectation; her behavior is consistent with her professed beliefs and she has explained more than once how important faith is for herself personally and her family. She has also said that prayer - trying to communicate with a god - is important in her life. The Christian Right, though, has tried to portray her as being just the opposite.
(08-09-2016 10:33 AM)dawgitall Wrote: Sin is a constant battle we all face. Christians aren't perfect, we are forgiven.
Neither candidate is a Christian based on their own words and actions.
Trump sounds confused and lost, Hillary sounds like a Godless heathen.
Both are clearly in darkness.
None of us know what is in another's heart. Only the individual and GOD know their true faith. We should all pray for our country our leaders and our fellow men. I try to remember to pray for all of us on this board, but I fall short often in that regard.
With all due respect to that canned and utterly predictable response, the bible tells us we absolute can know who is really a Christian and who is not.
Its called discernment, and we are supposed to be able to discern these things clearly. As Christ told us, we will know them by their fruits.
For heavens sake, if we can't discern who is a Christian and who is not, we would never know who to witness to.
Discernment doesn't me that we as Christians are infallible in it's application does it? I'm sorry if my post came across as "canned" but it is sincere.
(08-09-2016 11:15 AM)dawgitall Wrote: Discernment doesn't me that we as Christians are infallible in it's application does it? I'm sorry if my post came across as "canned" but it is sincere.
My comments had nothing to do with being "infallible", they were about being able to tell a Christian from a person who is lost.
If we are not in a position to make that distinction, then we are not in a position to witness to the unsaved.
(This post was last modified: 08-09-2016 12:12 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
(08-09-2016 11:15 AM)dawgitall Wrote: Discernment doesn't me that we as Christians are infallible in it's application does it? I'm sorry if my post came across as "canned" but it is sincere.
My comments had nothing to do with being "infallible", they were about being about to tell a Christian from a person who is lost.
If we are not in a position to make that distinction, then we are not in a position to witness to the unsaved.
Many people are obviously unsaved. Others it would be unclear because they are presenting themselves as Christians. I don't think most of us have the ability to determine the latter.
(08-09-2016 11:35 AM)dawgitall Wrote: Many people are obviously unsaved. Others it would be unclear because they are presenting themselves as Christians. I don't think most of us have the ability to determine the latter.
There is often a difference between what we think and what the bible actually says.
Its not a matter of spotting 100 out of 100 perfectly. Its a matter of Christ giving us the knowledge and ability to generally discern in people and words.
If you really know the bible, you know how to tell in most cases. Some are right on the edge or brilliantly deceitful and its harder to tell.
(This post was last modified: 08-09-2016 11:45 AM by ericsrevenge76.)
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5:12-14
These verses tell us that we can't discern good and evil by just reading a few verses in the Bible and then consider ourselves "learned". When I got saved I didn't understand much of what the Bible taught us. One needs to study it and gather more teachings from other verses. Sometimes people tend to recite a specific verse to make a point. For instance, one verse that some always use is when Jesus said, "I do not condemn you", but fail to add the second part where he also says, "go and sin no more". That's the part they don't want to exercise. "Go and sin no more" is hard for everyone but to those that have repented and God knows their heart they truly are forgiven when they ask.
Only God knows Hillary and Donald's hearts. But, by "our" discernment neither is a Christian. They'll have to answer to Him.
As a catholic I only knew the catechism and hardly knew little of what the Bible teaches. As an example my sister who is still a catholic didn't know that Jesus had brothers and sisters because of what we are taught in catechism that Mary is a perpetual virgin. I could list many other verses that I didn't know until I started attending a Bible based church. In ten years in that church I learned a lot but I still need to learn more.
(08-09-2016 12:11 PM)olliebaba Wrote: 12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5:12-14
These verses tell us that we can't discern good and evil by just reading a few verses in the Bible and then consider ourselves "learned". When I got saved I didn't understand much of what the Bible taught us. One needs to study it and gather more teachings from other verses. Sometimes people tend to recite a specific verse to make a point. For instance, one verse that some always use is when Jesus said, "I do not condemn you", but fail to add the second part where he also says, "go and sin no more". That's the part they don't want to exercise. "Go and sin no more" is hard for everyone but to those that have repented and God knows their heart they truly are forgiven when they ask.
Only God knows Hillary and Donald's hearts. But, by "our" discernment neither is a Christian. They'll have to answer to Him.
As a catholic I only knew the catechism and hardly knew little of what the Bible teaches. As an example my sister who is still a catholic didn't know that Jesus had brothers and sisters because of what we are taught in catechism that Mary is a perpetual virgin. I could list many other verses that I didn't know until I started attending a Bible based church. In ten years in that church I learned a lot but I still need to learn more.
I couldn't agree more strongly.
Christians should be reading their bible daily for the rest of their mortal lives. Its not a chore, its a chance to read Gods Words and will that
He specifically gave us to follow and understand. They never run dry.
When you KNOW His will, you will begin to FOLLOW His will.
(This post was last modified: 08-09-2016 12:33 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
So the man has never asked God for forgiveness. He also never speaks of Jesus or says Christ is his Savior.
"My little wine and my little cracker"
Doesn't sound like he is taking communion to me at all. Sounds like he is just eating a cracker so he will feel better about himself. He also said he felt "cleansed" after eating his "little cracker".
The ONLY thing that cleanses you is asking foreignness and accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Communion has nothing to do with cleansing you.
Christians voting for him need to pray and pray hard for this man. He sounds as lost as lost can get.
It's a good thing he's running for president and not pastor in chief at some church.
(This post was last modified: 08-09-2016 12:56 PM by ODU BLUE.)
Frankly, I think being a Godless heathen is one of Trump's better qualities. It's still not enough to make me vote for him, but it's better than the alternative.
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