(08-04-2016 08:12 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  He got in here late and inherited a dumpster fire. It's going to take at least 3-4 years just to put the pieces back together

It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 08:12 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  He got in here late and inherited a dumpster fire. It's going to take at least 3-4 years just to put the pieces back together

It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 08:12 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  He got in here late and inherited a dumpster fire. It's going to take at least 3-4 years just to put the pieces back together

It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

Fk'n Saul. Jesus

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 08:12 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  He got in here late and inherited a dumpster fire. It's going to take at least 3-4 years just to put the pieces back together

It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

This thread sucks. In the words of Clark Griswold, "I think you're all ****** in the head."

Also, 'Brooklyn' Gary Parrish (nice accent) can suck my balls. We all know he wanted Memphis to hire some scum bag like Steve Forbes or Andy Kennedy who would have already stacked the roster with a bunch of **** bags and decimated the culture, probably without winning any more than Tubby eventually will. Brooklyn Gary is probably just pissed that he no longer has the access he used to or would have had Memphis hired one of his drinking buddies.

Think about it for a minute. The guy got the job late, convinced his all conference PF Dedric Lawson to return to school, brought in a 3* PG (position of need) in Keon Clergeot, brought in a 5th year xfer in Christian Kessee who should be able to conrtibute, and is now going to fill out the bench with one or two front court reserves / scrubs.

He has said he's more interested in holding the schollies for the right fits next year and building his culture in the meantime. Given his track record, I would think he should get the benefit of the doubt. Especially in the light of the fact that in a fair world we'd be preparing for year 8 of the Josh Pastner era right now.

Give it time folks, give it time.

(08-05-2016 01:12 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  This thread sucks. In the words of Clark Griswold, "I think you're all ****** in the head."

Also, 'Brooklyn' Gary Parrish (nice accent) can suck my balls. We all know he wanted Memphis to hire some scum bag like Steve Forbes or Andy Kennedy who would have already stacked the roster with a bunch of **** bags and decimated the culture, probably without winning any more than Tubby eventually will. Brooklyn Gary is probably just pissed that he no longer has the access he used to or would have had Memphis hired one of his drinking buddies.

Think about it for a minute. The guy got the job late, convinced his all conference PF Dedric Lawson to return to school, brought in a 3* PG (position of need) in Keon Clergeot, brought in a 5th year xfer in Christian Kessee who should be able to conrtibute, and is now going to fill out the bench with one or two front court reserves / scrubs.

He has said he's more interested in holding the schollies for the right fits next year and building his culture in the meantime. Given his track record, I would think he should get the benefit of the doubt. Especially in the light of the fact that in a fair world we'd be preparing for year 8 of the Josh Pastner era right now.

Give it time folks, give it time.

Well reasoned. Thanks.
Put on your flameproof attire.

(08-05-2016 01:12 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  This thread sucks. In the words of Clark Griswold, "I think you're all ****** in the head."

Also, 'Brooklyn' Gary Parrish (nice accent) can suck my balls. We all know he wanted Memphis to hire some scum bag like Steve Forbes or Andy Kennedy who would have already stacked the roster with a bunch of **** bags and decimated the culture, probably without winning any more than Tubby eventually will. Brooklyn Gary is probably just pissed that he no longer has the access he used to or would have had Memphis hired one of his drinking buddies.

Think about it for a minute. The guy got the job late, convinced his all conference PF Dedric Lawson to return to school, brought in a 3* PG (position of need) in Keon Clergeot, brought in a 5th year xfer in Christian Kessee who should be able to conrtibute, and is now going to fill out the bench with one or two front court reserves / scrubs.

He has said he's more interested in holding the schollies for the right fits next year and building his culture in the meantime. Given his track record, I would think he should get the benefit of the doubt. Especially in the light of the fact that in a fair world we'd be preparing for year 8 of the Josh Pastner era right now.

Give it time folks, give it time.

^^^^^^

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 08:12 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  He got in here late and inherited a dumpster fire. It's going to take at least 3-4 years just to put the pieces back together

It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

(08-05-2016 01:12 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  This thread sucks. In the words of Clark Griswold, "I think you're all ****** in the head."

Also, 'Brooklyn' Gary Parrish (nice accent) can suck my balls. We all know he wanted Memphis to hire some scum bag like Steve Forbes or Andy Kennedy who would have already stacked the roster with a bunch of **** bags and decimated the culture, probably without winning any more than Tubby eventually will. Brooklyn Gary is probably just pissed that he no longer has the access he used to or would have had Memphis hired one of his drinking buddies.

Think about it for a minute. The guy got the job late, convinced his all conference PF Dedric Lawson to return to school, brought in a 3* PG (position of need) in Keon Clergeot, brought in a 5th year xfer in Christian Kessee who should be able to conrtibute, and is now going to fill out the bench with one or two front court reserves / scrubs.

He has said he's more interested in holding the schollies for the right fits next year and building his culture in the meantime. Given his track record, I would think he should get the benefit of the doubt. Especially in the light of the fact that in a fair world we'd be preparing for year 8 of the Josh Pastner era right now.

Give it time folks, give it time.

Some posters, and it obvious who they are, simply need to whine and piss and moan...

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 08:12 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  He got in here late and inherited a dumpster fire. It's going to take at least 3-4 years just to put the pieces back together

It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

All 3 of those guys walked into much better situations, far, far better than what Tubby was coming into.

Ollie brought in one guy, Amidah Brimah, who contributed to the NC run, otherwise, the guys were Calhoun holdovers, including SR guard Shabazz Napier, who was an absolute beast.

JTIII did a nice job recruiting his first year, signing Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, but the previous coach didn't leave a dumpster fire either.

Larranaga had a really good veteran squad, and he did well with it, but no one who contributed were players that he brought in.

(08-05-2016 08:02 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

All 3 of those guys walked into much better situations, far, far better than what Tubby was coming into.

Ollie brought in one guy, Amidah Brimah, who contributed to the NC run, otherwise, the guys were Calhoun holdovers, including SR guard Shabazz Napier, who was an absolute beast.

JTIII did a nice job recruiting his first year, signing Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, but the previous coach didn't leave a dumpster fire either.

Larranaga had a really good veteran squad, and he did well with it, but no one who contributed were players that he brought in.

Don't pay any attention to these guys. They're just whiners doing what they do best.

I'm really pissed that Tubby hasn't taken us to a Sweet 16 yet. WHAT IS HE DOING?!?!?!?!!??!

Again, it just shows you that Tiger basketball brings in the ratings year round for radio. It still owns the town.

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 08:12 PM)FCBE TIGER Wrote:  He got in here late and inherited a dumpster fire. It's going to take at least 3-4 years just to put the pieces back together

It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Not taking sides on this discussion regarding whether or not Tubby was or wasn't a good hire. But per the bolded part, if our former genius coach hadn't run off some pretty damn good players because of his stupid disciplinary rules, then maybe we wouldn't be in this situation. Just check the players that left the program under our dream wonder boy coach, explains a lot.

(08-05-2016 08:02 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

All 3 of those guys walked into much better situations, far, far better than what Tubby was coming into.

Ollie brought in one guy, Amidah Brimah, who contributed to the NC run, otherwise, the guys were Calhoun holdovers, including SR guard Shabazz Napier, who was an absolute beast.

JTIII did a nice job recruiting his first year, signing Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, but the previous coach didn't leave a dumpster fire either.

Larranaga had a really good veteran squad, and he did well with it, but no one who contributed were players that he brought in.

What about Beard who had to sign TEN guys?

What about Hurley?

Obviously all situations differ and vary.

The point is that it doesn't have to be a massive rebuild.

I hardly call having a Mickey D and several top 100 recruits a dumpster fire....jeebus...

(08-05-2016 08:05 AM)Smith Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:02 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

All 3 of those guys walked into much better situations, far, far better than what Tubby was coming into.

Ollie brought in one guy, Amidah Brimah, who contributed to the NC run, otherwise, the guys were Calhoun holdovers, including SR guard Shabazz Napier, who was an absolute beast.

JTIII did a nice job recruiting his first year, signing Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, but the previous coach didn't leave a dumpster fire either.

Larranaga had a really good veteran squad, and he did well with it, but no one who contributed were players that he brought in.

Don't pay any attention to these guys. They're just whiners doing what they do best.

No, we're actually having a discussion about college basketball...

EAD

(08-05-2016 07:47 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:17 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:50 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:09 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  It doesn't take that long to get a basketball program going. And no one is expecting a sweet sixteen next year. Just. You know. Fielding a complete team.


Then there's the problem of the 2017 class...

Yep.

Bobby Hurley turned around Buffalo in 2 years.

Chris Beard signed TEN new players and won 30 games in his only season at UALR.

Neither had a 6-9 first team freshman all American Mickey D either.

You should look up the definition of "anomaly"...

John Thompson III went to the Sweet 16 in his second season.

Kevin Ollie won a title his second season.

Jim Larranaga Sweet 16 in his second season.

Again a coach a season would be considered an anomaly, look up what that means. And your second list extended out to the second season, Tubby has yet to even coach a game at Memphis...

Again, I can find many more examples of guys who took over programs and won quickly.

My point was aimed at the poster who said the "rebuild" should take 3-4 years, which is laughable and the poster who said there shouldn't be S16 expectations by year 2.

Laughable.

congrats to them.

(08-05-2016 09:28 AM)fsquid Wrote:  congrats to them.

Yep.

Some coaches don't need an insecure fanbase to make excuses for their performance in recruiting and on the floor.

Must be nice.