I think everything Carlton said is accurate except the part about the votes. I'm convinced that is farther along than anyone in the media realizes.

(08-03-2016 10:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think everything Carlton said is accurate except the part about the votes. I'm convinced that is farther along than anyone in the media realizes.

Why?

"Boy, I'm glad we don't have to emit black smoke each time something doesn't get done around here!"

(08-03-2016 10:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think everything Carlton said is accurate except the part about the votes. I'm convinced that is farther along than anyone in the media realizes.

I doubt Carlton's info is wrong. He wants expansion and has all summer.

(08-03-2016 10:31 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think everything Carlton said is accurate except the part about the votes. I'm convinced that is farther along than anyone in the media realizes.

Why?

Because they have been talking to Memphis for almost 3 years, and have said some things to us that make me feel they are ready to add 4 teams.

Remember, all these media guys who are making predictions now are the same ones who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead. Right before the presser where the Big 12 said they voted unanimously for expansion.

(08-03-2016 09:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would replace SMU with Temple, since Fox is looking to get inventory in the east

Yes, Fox has no inventory there! If only there was a P5 conference that includes three schools that are within about 100 miles of Philadelphia, then maybe Fox could try to get that conference under contract.

Or maybe, if there was a really strong basketball conference that includes a team in Philadelphia that recently won the NCAA basketball tournament, Fox might try to sign them up, too.

(08-03-2016 10:37 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think everything Carlton said is accurate except the part about the votes. I'm convinced that is farther along than anyone in the media realizes.

I doubt Carlton's info is wrong. He wants expansion and has all summer.

Like I said. I agree with everything but one point. The media has trailed on the details about teams, b/c I believe the Big 12 isn't giving them any info on it. They are giving them everything but that.

Just like they didn't tell them they were about to vote unanimously to approve expansion, and all the media guys thought expansion was dead. When did the media ever break realignment more than a few hours before it was announced?

(08-03-2016 10:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:31 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think everything Carlton said is accurate except the part about the votes. I'm convinced that is farther along than anyone in the media realizes.

Why?

Because they have been talking to Memphis for almost 3 years, and have said some things to us that make me feel they are ready to add 4 teams.

Remember, all these media guys who are making predictions now are the same ones who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead. Right before the presser where the Big 12 said they voted unanimously for expansion.

So, they've been talking to UCONN for 10 years, and they told us they were planning on punking Memphis. Mission accomplished, it would seem.

(08-03-2016 10:54 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:31 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think everything Carlton said is accurate except the part about the votes. I'm convinced that is farther along than anyone in the media realizes.

Why?

Because they have been talking to Memphis for almost 3 years, and have said some things to us that make me feel they are ready to add 4 teams.

Remember, all these media guys who are making predictions now are the same ones who said 2 weeks ago that expansion was dead. Right before the presser where the Big 12 said they voted unanimously for expansion.

So, they've been talking to UCONN for 10 years, and they told us they were planning on punking Memphis. Mission accomplished, it would seem.

LOL. That's cool. I know you feel differently. I think we'll know before long.

I never thought I would see the day. Texas and Oklahoma on their knees crying uncle! I figured P12 has USC & Oregon, B10 has Ohio St, Michigan/michigan st., ACC has Florida St. & Clemson and the SEC has Alabama & LSU. So I thought Texas & Oklahoma were strong enough to keep the B12 together and strengthen it. But all chips are off the table since ESPN & FOX have spoken, and said NO!

Now I hear TX & OK are talking about bailing out on the conference as soon as they get close to the end of the present GOR. Just a few years ago They were talking about taking teams from the ACC. Now we see it was lol smoke and screens.

The ACC took Louisville and boom it became a P5 major player. Now ESPN & FOX are telling the B12 we don't think you have the ability to do the same for Cincy, Houston, UCONN, ECU, UCF or any other G5 school.

Without a GOR extension the B12's days as a power conference are over. The Power Conferences will have beaten TX & OK into submission. They will have become just another Colordo, Utah, Missouri, or TX A&M. In fact A&M will look a lot smarter than the other two schools because they got out of the B12 first. How do you like that TX & Ok are just followers, following TAM's example.

And all it would take to succeed is a GOR extension, and guts.

Or maybe UT and OU are smart and see the media market changing and want to take advantage of it WITH the Big 12 in 2025.

(08-03-2016 11:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  Or maybe UT and OU are smart and see the media market changing and want to take advantage of it WITH the Big 12 in 2025.

Taking advantage being the literal truth as when 2024 rolls around and those two give the ultimatum of "here are our demands, refuse them and we walk."

I believe it was 10thMountain that stated this in another post (my apologies if it was someone else). B12 expansion is a short term money grab by a handful of B12 schools. Expansion doesn't generate additional money for existing schools. The way existing B12 schools get money is from the new schools taking a reduced payout for the first 7 years. If the new schools get 1/2 payout for 7 years that is $1 million per year to the existing schools for each new schools added.

The key is to extend the GoR. If the GoR is NOT extended, that would be a clear signal that schools will be leaving at the end of the current GoR and the remaining schools will be left holding an empty bag.

(08-04-2016 06:55 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I believe it was 10thMountain that stated this in another post (my apologies if it was someone else). B12 expansion is a short term money grab by a handful of B12 schools. Expansion doesn't generate additional money for existing schools. The way existing B12 schools get money is from the new schools taking a reduced payout for the first 7 years. If the new schools get 1/2 payout for 7 years that is $1 million per year to the existing schools for each new schools added.

The key is to extend the GoR. If the GoR is NOT extended, that would be a clear signal that schools will be leaving at the end of the current GoR and the remaining schools will be left holding an empty bag.

I don't think that the GOR will be extended, at least not by Texas.

(08-03-2016 11:12 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I never thought I would see the day. Texas and Oklahoma on their knees crying uncle! I figured P12 has USC & Oregon, B10 has Ohio St, Michigan/michigan st., ACC has Florida St. & Clemson and the SEC has Alabama & LSU. So I thought Texas & Oklahoma were strong enough to keep the B12 together and strengthen it. But all chips are off the table since ESPN & FOX have spoken, and said NO!

Now I hear TX & OK are talking about bailing out on the conference as soon as they get close to the end of the present GOR. Just a few years ago They were talking about taking teams from the ACC. Now we see it was lol smoke and screens.

The ACC took Louisville and boom it became a P5 major player. Now ESPN & FOX are telling the B12 we don't think you have the ability to do the same for Cincy, Houston, UCONN, ECU, UCF or any other G5 school.

Without a GOR extension the B12's days as a power conference are over. The Power Conferences will have beaten TX & OK into submission. They will have become just another Colordo, Utah, Missouri, or TX A&M. In fact A&M will look a lot smarter than the other two schools because they got out of the B12 first. How do you like that TX & Ok are just followers, following TAM's example.

And all it would take to succeed is a GOR extension, and guts.

you do not seem to have any clue what is going on here

1. Texas has not talked at all about leaving the Big 12 especially over the expansion issue that was OU that did that stupidity and that has proven to be david boren just being a moron and talking to much

2. Texas and OU will always have the ability to keep the big 12 together if that is what they desire to do

3. keeping the Big 12 together has nothing at all to do with adding G5 schools that no fan base in the Big 12 has even a modicum of interest in being in a conference with

4. it should not be the concern or the care of the Big 12 and existing members to add G5 programs to help those G5 programs it should be the concern of the Big 12 to help existing members

and the Big 12 has already made clear that adding any G5 members does not help them athletically it would at best be a "maybe the get better and that benefits us"

so with that REALITY there is nothing imperative about adding G5 members towards keeping UT and OU in the conference or helping the conference be more stable or last beyond 2024-25

5. no one is going to extend the GOR simply based on adding G5 members

6. the ONLY way a GOR extension would make sense is if the Big 12 had a media contract that matched that GOR extension in length

7. the Big 12 would be stupid to sign a media deal now even to then have a reason to extend the GOR because every major conference out there besides ACC will be renewing a major portion or all of their media rights before the Big 12 will so signing a media deal now or extending the current one only ties you into a deal that you have no idea of how it will stack up to anyone else 7 or 8 years from now much less after those conferences sign new deals

Texas and OU are not going to be stupid enough to do this especially with a GOR and they are not going to sign a GOR with no idea of what a media contract would be

so Texas and OU are not going to be signing a GOR extension now no matter what

so adding teams in the hopes it gets you a new media deal and or gets you an extension of the GOR is not happening

8. the issues with the media partners and the Big 12 are about NOW and the next 8 years not anything to do with the future

9. all the more so if the media partners do not want to pay for G5 teams NOW who in the hell would think they want to pay for them in a contract extension much less a really good extension that OU and UT could not possibly turn down

10. so no media contract extension is coming, no media contract extension that would make UT and OU feel that there is no reason to see what other teams get 6-8 years from now is coming

so OU and UT are not signing a GOR extension now because they are not going to get a media contract that would be 100% sure fire "can't miss" now

11. so all of this is about can the Big 12 get more money from the media partners for not adding teams at all or can the Big 12 (stupidly) add 2 teams and possibly get a bit more money that would have gone to 2 more teams and not add 2 more and save the media partners a little money while making more money

12. adding even 2 teams is a horrible financial issue especially as it relates to "stability" and that means no new contract extension that acceptable to UT and OU and thus no GOR extension even if two teams are added

so no matter what happens with being stupid enough to add new teams and take a lot of their money or even more stupid to take 4 teams and take a lot of their money or not adding teams and getting paid not to there is not going to be a media contract extension offered that will make UT and OU believe that they should accept that without seeing what other conferences get 6-8 years from now and surely not with a GOR and of course no GOR extension with a totally unknown media situation after 2024-25

no GOR extension is coming for the Big 12 and no media extension is coming the Big 12 is going to see what happens in 2022-23 and 2022-24 and go from there

(08-03-2016 11:44 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  Or maybe UT and OU are smart and see the media market changing and want to take advantage of it WITH the Big 12 in 2025.

Taking advantage being the literal truth as when 2024 rolls around and those two give the ultimatum of "here are our demands, refuse them and we walk."

laughably asinine comment coming from an A&M supporter in light of the 100% proven fact that A&M was threatening to sue the Big 12 for a guaranteed $20 million per year distribution right up to and until they left the Big 12 while UT and OU had declined to take that extra revenue from other Big 12 members

Like the Iowa State AD said, if they extend the GOR it will be after they renegotiate with the tv partners. Expanding may be able to get the TV partners to come to the table and maybe the GOR won't be extending too much(10-12 or so years). This way it isn't like they are tied down forever and they ease the nerves of schools like ISU and KSU.

The worst part of this is how the B12 looks. The longer this goes on, the worse the conference perception will be. They need to look confident with the ability to make a united decision. Right now, they look like a disfunctional organization bumbling along.

They need to end this quickly. The longer it drags out in public, the more credibility they lose.

Perhaps ESPN won't sign an extended GOR? They have Texas.

(08-04-2016 07:58 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  Like the Iowa State AD said, if they extend the GOR it will be after they renegotiate with the tv partners. Expanding may be able to get the TV partners to come to the table and maybe the GOR won't be extending too much(10-12 or so years). This way it isn't like they are tied down forever and they ease the nerves of schools like ISU and KSU.

the problem with 10 or 12 years is that is a ridiculous amount of time

100% of the PAC 12 TV rights including the possibility that the PAC 12 could offer any or all of the PAC12n comes due in 2023-24

all of what the Big 10 just sold for a lot of money comes due again in only SIX years so 2021-22

the CBS SEC SEC SEC deal comes due in 2023-24 and unless there was an actual extension (as some have claimed with the SECn SECn SECn) then the tier 2 ESPN deal comes due then as well

so why would the Big 12 be stupid enough to sign a deal NOW that goes out 20 years and pretend they have any clue about what kind of a deal that will be relative to other conferences when those other conferences have all or major parts of their deals that come due in 6 to 8 years

hell the Big 12 has a deal now that does not end until 2024-25 and people think that OU and UT are already halfway out the door

who in the hell wants to have a deal that last another 12 years after that when there is a chance that 3 of the other conferences could have better deals 6 to 8 years from now

do you really want to be in the Big 12 for 12 years of people talking about how stupid the Big 12 was for signing a deal 8 or 10 years ago that will suck for the next 12 or so years because 3 other conferences all waited and signed much better deals

there is not a chance in hell that UT and OU would take that extension unless it has some clause (that will not be happening) that says the media partners will keep the Big 12 within X dollars or Y% of other conferences no matter their new deals

and that offer is not coming especially with any G5ers added in and even without any G5ers

so UT and OU are not signing a media deal now that goes out 20 years from now that is shear stupidity

(08-04-2016 08:07 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Perhaps ESPN won't sign an extended GOR? They have Texas.

ESPN is not a party to any GoR. That is strictly between the conference and its members.