Cincy, Byu, Uconn, Memphis, Temple, UCF, USF, Tulane, and Houston are all legitimate possible adds.

(07-20-2016 09:27 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/big-...on-schools


Big 12 Expansion: The Four Schools Should Be ...

By Pete Fiutak 1 hour ago

Step Two: Immediately grab UCF and South Florida

These are the two sleeping giants out there among the Group of Five programs. They have massive enrollments, big TV markets, are in the thick of a tremendous recruiting base, and they add some pizzazz to the mix.

UCF has almost 61,000 students, while USF has around 49,000. Tampa-St. Pete is the 11th-biggest TV market, and Orlando is 19th. These are the numbers that matter.

Florida, Florida State and Miami might own the Sunshine State, but thinking several years from now, getting UCF and USF starts to build a rivalry and creates a whole new area for the conference. This would be the sexy move, and for some reason, the ACC hasn’t jumped all over it yet.

Step Three: Eh, screw it. C’mon aboard, Houston.

In terms of the Houston TV market, the school isn’t a necessary get with Texas up the road and in a state with Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU, too. But if I’m expanding to 14 teams – and I am – I’ll truly own Texas by inviting Houston.

With almost 43,000 students, it’s a massive school that’s twice as big as Memphis and has a far bigger football footprint.

The natural rivalries are obvious, but now I have to get a little bit funkier.

Step Four: Cincinnati, your table is ready.

I despise the “checks all the boxes” cliché, but Cincinnati does just that.

Close to 44,000 students – almost double of Louisville – the 34th-ranked TV market, and it’s just three hours away from Charleston, WV to create a friend for West Virginia, who’s on a sort of Big 12 island. Again, think of what’s possible a decade from now.

Step Five: Sit back and marvel at my Big 14 empire

Oh yeah, and I’m changing the name. If the Big 8 could go to the Big 12, and the Pac-10 could go to the Pac-12, then I’m doing this right.

Here’s what I’ve done by bringing on Cincinnati, Houston, South Florida and UCF.

1. I’ve created one hell of a Big 14 South: Baylor, Houston, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF and USF.

2. The Big 14 North makes perfect sense: Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and West Virginia.

3. You want rivalry games, TV people? UCF vs. USF. Cincinnati vs. West Virginia. Oklahoma vs. Oklahoma State. Kansas vs. Kansas State. All the Texas teams in one division. Over time, these showdowns will grow in status.

4. You want fans? I don’t care about the commuter aspect – lots of students means lots of alumni meaning lots of potential interest. The four schools I’m bringing in adds close to 200,000 students into the equation and an alumni base of millions. You want to go big? Here you go.

5. I’ve done just about as well as I can do with the TV markets getting a piece of Houston, Orlando, Tampa and Cincinnati.

6. I’ve expanded into the top recruiting areas. There will always be competition, but now the Big 14 has a base in the heart of Florida, parts of Ohio, and gets stronger in the Houston area. Boom.

No need to hire some rep firm or search committee, Commissioner Bowlsby. I just did your job for you. Make it happen for 2017.

Good post!

(07-20-2016 09:46 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Wow, what a difference 1 bad season makes. Last year around this time, ECU was at least being mentioned in these articles.

Let me start by saying that I do not expect the Big 12 to invite East Carolina to the conference if/when they do expand. But I honestly don’t understand why. Our fellow AAC schools have a LOT to offer, and by touting ECU’s positives, I’m in no way discounting what Cincy, UCONN, Houston, Temple, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, UCF, USF, Navy, or Tulsa have to offer – which is a lot!

ECU is ranked #2 in the G5 for football attendance, behind BYU.

Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium is the 2nd largest stadium (on campus) in the G5, behind BYU with major renovations to upgrade the pressbox, add suites, luxury seating, etc..

ECU is located in North Carolina, an extremely fertile recruiting ground for the SEC & ACC. The top recruits in the Carolinas routinely get poached by SEC schools, even though the states are saturated by ACC schools.

ECU has the best football culture in the state of NC, despite sharing the state with FBS programs UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Charlotte, and Appalachian State.

ECU is located closer to the Tidewater VA region than most schools in Virginia, and this area is a hotbed of SEC-caliber talent.

ECU has a top-notch baseball program with tremendous support and a dynamic young coach, which the Big 12 desperately needs.

ECU’s fanbase is DYING for a good basketball program, and with the Big 12 financial support, we could hire the right coach and invest more than we already have in the basketball program. The new basketball facility is top-notch, and is a good start!

ECU has just under 30,000 students and a LARGE alumni base spanning all 50 states. (Most people don’t realize that.)

ECU has thrived on doing more with less since its inception. I can only imagine how great we could be with the financial backing of a P5 budget.

That said, I know this is driven by markets… which is sad. Because you see what happened to C-USA when they decided to invite teams based solely on market. I would like to think that the Big 12 understands potential & tradition as much as they understand population density… because you’ve got a program in Greenville, NC that could eventually have the success of a Baylor (recent events excluded), TCU, etc and would immediately come in and beat teams like WVU, Texas Tech, ISU, Kansas, etc. ECU is plug and play, and the potential is tremendous.

Don't stress about. So far, 99% of the media has been wrong on expansion.. They only one that has consistently called it is the guy from Cincy - Austin Cox. He was right about the July media day announcement with teams to follow in Sept. We'll just have to wait and see if the rest of his prediction comes to fruition.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation....nt=safari#

What happens if the B12 gets Colorado to come back? Anyone think it could happen?

(07-20-2016 10:53 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation....nt=safari#

What happens if the B12 gets Colorado to come back? Anyone think it could happen?

No chance

Im fine with 10 and waiting.

I wouldnt mind adding 2 good east coast Basketball only schools and bringing Army in as Football only and Southern Miss as a full member.

(07-20-2016 10:56 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 10:53 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation....nt=safari#

What happens if the B12 gets Colorado to come back? Anyone think it could happen?

No chance

Why not? If they leave the Pac becomes even more unstable. The PAC at this point isn't much better than the B12

Be prepared to offer the Big 12 that your school will take virtually nothing in TV revenue throughout their TV contract.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12...ney-072016

But that's when the greedy brilliance of the Big 12's move hit me.

They're not going to give the new members a full share of the TV revenue.

Instead, and it's downright diabolical, the Big 12 can allow all of the schools that want to get into the Big 5 conference club to line up and tell them how little money they need to receive in order to join the Big 12. That is, if a school is, for instance, only willing to take $5 million a year for the next ten years, it could allow $200 million it would be entitled to receive to return to the existing ten Big 12 conference schools to split among themselves.

Yep, you're about to witness the most greedy move in the history of college athletics.

See, the Big 12 can't do a television network unless Texas gives up the Longhorn Network -- fat chance -- but what they can do is take money from the new schools they add. If four new schools all agreed to take $5 million a year in TV money, that's more than they earn now in smaller conferences, in theory the ten existing Big 12 schools could redistribute $800 million to each other over the next decade, or $8 million additional dollars per school. That's about what the ACC Network schools stand to make off their own network.

It's a reverse auction, with each school bidding against all the other schools; it's conference expansion limbo, how low will you go? How small of a sum of money are you willing to accept to enter the velvet ropes of the Big 12 club?

BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, South Florida, Houston, Central Florida, UConn, Colorado State and all the other schools flashing leg at the Big 12 are all so desperate to join a big five conference that they'll take substantially less than $25 million a year to get into the big five conferences.

UCONN will probably take the same thing we make in the AAC if we can get our tier 3 rights back. It would certainly be worth it.

(07-20-2016 11:07 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Be prepared to offer the Big 12 that your school will take virtually nothing in TV revenue throughout their TV contract.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12...ney-072016

But that's when the greedy brilliance of the Big 12's move hit me.

They're not going to give the new members a full share of the TV revenue.

Instead, and it's downright diabolical, the Big 12 can allow all of the schools that want to get into the Big 5 conference club to line up and tell them how little money they need to receive in order to join the Big 12. That is, if a school is, for instance, only willing to take $5 million a year for the next ten years, it could allow $200 million it would be entitled to receive to return to the existing ten Big 12 conference schools to split among themselves.

Yep, you're about to witness the most greedy move in the history of college athletics.

See, the Big 12 can't do a television network unless Texas gives up the Longhorn Network -- fat chance -- but what they can do is take money from the new schools they add. If four new schools all agreed to take $5 million a year in TV money, that's more than they earn now in smaller conferences, in theory the ten existing Big 12 schools could redistribute $800 million to each other over the next decade, or $8 million additional dollars per school. That's about what the ACC Network schools stand to make off their own network.

It's a reverse auction, with each school bidding against all the other schools; it's conference expansion limbo, how low will you go? How small of a sum of money are you willing to accept to enter the velvet ropes of the Big 12 club?

BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, South Florida, Houston, Central Florida, UConn, Colorado State and all the other schools flashing leg at the Big 12 are all so desperate to join a big five conference that they'll take substantially less than $25 million a year to get into the big five conferences.

I don't think we'll see anything quite that drastic. I expect to see new schools take a smaller share of the pie initially, but seriously, revenue inequality nearly destroyed the league a few years ago and I don't see the Iowa and Kansas States of the Big 12 willing to make the same mistake.

And bottom line, 5 mil in the Big 12 is incalculably better than 2 mil in the AAC.

(07-20-2016 10:10 AM)shere khan Wrote:  A week ago these same motards were saying expansion was dead.

Click bait fools

I could not agree more with you. You don't even have to go back a week. Monday basically everyone was reporting B12 will likely not vote on anything expansion wise etc.

I will say this based on what the B12 stated the criteria will be either the AAC is going to lose up to 4 teams. The ACC finally made it known what we all knew the B12 is not getting a P5 team. Now, it's all about growth and overall program readiness. Who those teams will be is unknown to anyone. TV was driving it at first now it seems to have flipped some. I hope they do it quick so the AAC can move on.

I find it funny that the B12 was delusional enough to think it could lure a team or two from the ACC. Now I wonder how that delusion will influence their expansion choice.

(07-20-2016 11:24 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 10:10 AM)shere khan Wrote:  A week ago these same motards were saying expansion was dead.

Click bait fools

I could not agree more with you. You don't even have to go back a week. Monday basically everyone was reporting B12 will likely not vote on anything expansion wise etc.

I will say this based on what the B12 stated the criteria will be either the AAC is going to lose up to 4 teams. The ACC finally made it known what we all knew the B12 is not getting a P5 team. Now, it's all about growth and overall program readiness. Who those teams will be is unknown to anyone. TV was driving it at first now it seems to have flipped some. I hope they do it quick so the AAC can move on.

Nobody expected the ESPN/ACC deal.

(07-20-2016 11:28 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I find it funny that the B12 was delusional enough to think it could lure a team or two from the ACC. Now I wonder how that delusion will influence their expansion choice.

By trying to take the "Plan B" candidates to the woodshed on compensation. My biggest fear is a bidding race to the bottom between the 5-6 candidates in play. UC (or any other schools for that matter) trying to compete in the B12 on a shoestring budget is not a pretty thought. Better than the alternative, I guess.

(07-20-2016 11:18 AM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:07 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Be prepared to offer the Big 12 that your school will take virtually nothing in TV revenue throughout their TV contract.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12...ney-072016

But that's when the greedy brilliance of the Big 12's move hit me.

They're not going to give the new members a full share of the TV revenue.

Instead, and it's downright diabolical, the Big 12 can allow all of the schools that want to get into the Big 5 conference club to line up and tell them how little money they need to receive in order to join the Big 12. That is, if a school is, for instance, only willing to take $5 million a year for the next ten years, it could allow $200 million it would be entitled to receive to return to the existing ten Big 12 conference schools to split among themselves.

Yep, you're about to witness the most greedy move in the history of college athletics.

See, the Big 12 can't do a television network unless Texas gives up the Longhorn Network -- fat chance -- but what they can do is take money from the new schools they add. If four new schools all agreed to take $5 million a year in TV money, that's more than they earn now in smaller conferences, in theory the ten existing Big 12 schools could redistribute $800 million to each other over the next decade, or $8 million additional dollars per school. That's about what the ACC Network schools stand to make off their own network.

It's a reverse auction, with each school bidding against all the other schools; it's conference expansion limbo, how low will you go? How small of a sum of money are you willing to accept to enter the velvet ropes of the Big 12 club?

BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, South Florida, Houston, Central Florida, UConn, Colorado State and all the other schools flashing leg at the Big 12 are all so desperate to join a big five conference that they'll take substantially less than $25 million a year to get into the big five conferences.

I don't think we'll see anything quite that drastic. I expect to see new schools take a smaller share of the pie initially, but seriously, revenue inequality nearly destroyed the league a few years ago and I don't see the Iowa and Kansas States of the Big 12 willing to make the same mistake.

And bottom line, 5 mil in the Big 12 is incalculably better than 2 mil in the AAC.

AAC doesn't pay out 2M. Apples and oranges. The 2M is only the TV portion of revenue but does not include NCAA tournament credits or bowl revenue. Estimates have the AAC totally payouts with all revenue included in the 5-6M dollar range.

This is just to refresh everyone's memories. TCU and WVU took a 50% share in their first year, 67% share in 2nd, 85% share in 3rd, and received a 100% share in 4th year.

IMO, whoever is selected will have to take a share much smaller than 50% in year one, maybe on the level of a 25% share and will have to agree to lower payments for at least 5 years.

Who is willing to take the least?

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article3829221.html

A source within TCU's athletic department said TCU will gradually slide into the conference's revenue-sharing structure over the next four years. TCU will earn 50 percent of the normal $17 million payout in the 2012-13 academic year, 67 percent in 2013-14, 84 percent in 2014-15, and 100 percent in 2015-16.

(07-20-2016 11:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:18 AM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:07 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Be prepared to offer the Big 12 that your school will take virtually nothing in TV revenue throughout their TV contract.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12...ney-072016

But that's when the greedy brilliance of the Big 12's move hit me.

They're not going to give the new members a full share of the TV revenue.

Instead, and it's downright diabolical, the Big 12 can allow all of the schools that want to get into the Big 5 conference club to line up and tell them how little money they need to receive in order to join the Big 12. That is, if a school is, for instance, only willing to take $5 million a year for the next ten years, it could allow $200 million it would be entitled to receive to return to the existing ten Big 12 conference schools to split among themselves.

Yep, you're about to witness the most greedy move in the history of college athletics.

See, the Big 12 can't do a television network unless Texas gives up the Longhorn Network -- fat chance -- but what they can do is take money from the new schools they add. If four new schools all agreed to take $5 million a year in TV money, that's more than they earn now in smaller conferences, in theory the ten existing Big 12 schools could redistribute $800 million to each other over the next decade, or $8 million additional dollars per school. That's about what the ACC Network schools stand to make off their own network.

It's a reverse auction, with each school bidding against all the other schools; it's conference expansion limbo, how low will you go? How small of a sum of money are you willing to accept to enter the velvet ropes of the Big 12 club?

BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, South Florida, Houston, Central Florida, UConn, Colorado State and all the other schools flashing leg at the Big 12 are all so desperate to join a big five conference that they'll take substantially less than $25 million a year to get into the big five conferences.

I don't think we'll see anything quite that drastic. I expect to see new schools take a smaller share of the pie initially, but seriously, revenue inequality nearly destroyed the league a few years ago and I don't see the Iowa and Kansas States of the Big 12 willing to make the same mistake.

And bottom line, 5 mil in the Big 12 is incalculably better than 2 mil in the AAC.

AAC doesn't pay out 2M. Apples and oranges. The 2M is only the TV portion of revenue but does not include NCAA tournament credits or bowl revenue. Estimates have the AAC totally payouts with all revenue included in the 5-6M dollar range.

Your original post literally was talking about tv money. Who's talking apples and oranges here?

(07-20-2016 12:06 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This is just to refresh everyone's memories. TCU and WVU took a 50% share in their first year, 67% share in 2nd, 85% share in 3rd, and received a 100% share in 4th year.

IMO, whoever is selected will have to take a share much smaller than 50% in year one, maybe on the level of a 25% share and will have to agree to lower payments for at least 5 years.

Who is willing to take the least?

Race to the bottom?

(07-20-2016 12:12 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:18 AM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:07 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Be prepared to offer the Big 12 that your school will take virtually nothing in TV revenue throughout their TV contract.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12...ney-072016

But that's when the greedy brilliance of the Big 12's move hit me.

They're not going to give the new members a full share of the TV revenue.

Instead, and it's downright diabolical, the Big 12 can allow all of the schools that want to get into the Big 5 conference club to line up and tell them how little money they need to receive in order to join the Big 12. That is, if a school is, for instance, only willing to take $5 million a year for the next ten years, it could allow $200 million it would be entitled to receive to return to the existing ten Big 12 conference schools to split among themselves.

Yep, you're about to witness the most greedy move in the history of college athletics.

See, the Big 12 can't do a television network unless Texas gives up the Longhorn Network -- fat chance -- but what they can do is take money from the new schools they add. If four new schools all agreed to take $5 million a year in TV money, that's more than they earn now in smaller conferences, in theory the ten existing Big 12 schools could redistribute $800 million to each other over the next decade, or $8 million additional dollars per school. That's about what the ACC Network schools stand to make off their own network.

It's a reverse auction, with each school bidding against all the other schools; it's conference expansion limbo, how low will you go? How small of a sum of money are you willing to accept to enter the velvet ropes of the Big 12 club?

BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, South Florida, Houston, Central Florida, UConn, Colorado State and all the other schools flashing leg at the Big 12 are all so desperate to join a big five conference that they'll take substantially less than $25 million a year to get into the big five conferences.

I don't think we'll see anything quite that drastic. I expect to see new schools take a smaller share of the pie initially, but seriously, revenue inequality nearly destroyed the league a few years ago and I don't see the Iowa and Kansas States of the Big 12 willing to make the same mistake.

And bottom line, 5 mil in the Big 12 is incalculably better than 2 mil in the AAC.

AAC doesn't pay out 2M. Apples and oranges. The 2M is only the TV portion of revenue but does not include NCAA tournament credits or bowl revenue. Estimates have the AAC totally payouts with all revenue included in the 5-6M dollar range.

Your original post literally was talking about tv money. Who's talking apples and oranges here?

OK you're right.

New program will have to agree to 5M TV or even LESS. Personally I would agree to 2M the first year to get in.

What kind of reactionary **** show are they running at the B12? They're always two steps behind everyone.