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(07-20-2016 01:50 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 01:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:54 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
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(07-20-2016 12:48 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  This can't help USF's case. USF under investigation for academic fraud.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...aud-issues

Yuck. Well it did say possible. Nothing determined yet. And it's not with Football program. But still, this isn't helpful.

I'd imagine the B12 wants to steer clear of any more controversy for a while.

Ya this probably eliminates USF.

USF is cooked - TERRIBLE timing. There is no way that the Big 12 wants to deal with that while also dealing with the Baylor fiasco.

So, then there were 5:
UConn
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis
BYU

I am not including Boise State (since they have terrible academics and no market) or Colorado State (they aren't that great in any sport and the Big 12 would have to share the Denver market with the Pac 12)

so terrible for the Bulls, Sad really... really sad.
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(07-20-2016 10:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Cincy, Byu, Uconn, Memphis, Temple, UCF, USF, Tulane, and Houston are all legitimate possible adds.

With as many strong programs currently in the AAC, yet the current insulting turd of a tv $$$ contract remains as is. SMH
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(07-20-2016 01:55 PM)knightastic Wrote:  best 0-12 offseason ever

lol that's funny, but honestly I'd say UCF should have been rooting for it to drag out. You have to believe the B12 expanding in fall of 2018 UCF would be in a WAY better position than B12 expanding in fall of 2016. I believe they'll bounce back, but 0-12 is a tough sell and timing is everything.
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(07-20-2016 01:52 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 01:50 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 01:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:54 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Yuck. Well it did say possible. Nothing determined yet. And it's not with Football program. But still, this isn't helpful.

I'd imagine the B12 wants to steer clear of any more controversy for a while.

Ya this probably eliminates USF.

USF is cooked - TERRIBLE timing. There is no way that the Big 12 wants to deal with that while also dealing with the Baylor fiasco.

So, then there were 5:
UConn
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis
BYU

I am not including Boise State (since they have terrible academics and no market) or Colorado State (they aren't that great in any sport and the Big 12 would have to share the Denver market with the Pac 12)

Nice troll....

That wasn't a troll. That was a fair assessment.

It would be trolling if I also asked if UCF is now cooked because of USF. The Big 12 likely won't take both schools as a pair now, and there is some risk to taking UCF and creating another island seeing as results in the post O'Leary era are not guaranteed (as evidenced by last year's "0-fer")

Now THAT'S a troll!

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The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!
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Maybe it's time for ECU to dust off some of their old applications to the Big East and change the name. I remember ECU offered to damn near play for free FB only. If they are looking for who will whore themselves out the most ECU will win that race to the bottom LOL.
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(07-20-2016 12:22 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  What kind of reactionary **** show are they running at the B12? They're always two steps behind everyone.

Reactionary does not mean what you think. Reactive is sufficient.

Progressives can dribble better than reactionaries.

They run a reactive system and should plan better.

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(07-20-2016 02:23 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 01:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:22 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  What kind of reactionary **** show are they running at the B12? They're always two steps behind everyone.

Reactionary does not mean what you think. Reactive is sufficient.

Progressives can dribble better than reactionaries.

They run a reactive system and should plan better.

You are welcome junior

I bet family get togethers are tough for you. Is it hard to explain to people that trying to display some sort of manliness in online forums is your lot in life? How do you hide the shame?

Well, at least he's efficient. He knocks out the wife and sister invites with one person.
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(07-20-2016 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!

CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?
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(07-20-2016 02:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!

CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?

Cincinnati is more of a "flagship" than half of the so called flagships in the country.
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USF isn't done and I'll just leave this link here.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/big-...on-schools
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(07-20-2016 02:58 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  USF isn't done and I'll just leave this link here.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/big-...on-schools


They done buddy
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(07-20-2016 02:58 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  USF isn't done and I'll just leave this link here.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/big-...on-schools

I stopped reading after his comment “assume that at some point in the next few months I’ll take over the conference leadership role in a bloodless coup that grants me all of the power to do whatever I desire. After this happens, which four schools do I really want to expand the Big 12 brand?”

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(07-20-2016 02:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!

CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?

Tricky. There are some unique situations:
Colorado lists Colorado and CSU as the flagships of Colorado.
Idaho is not the flagship of Idaho. Officially, the state of Idaho says their isn't a flagship (because of the rise of Boise).
Louisiana is not the state flagship of their state. LSU is.
And no, Cincy is not the flagship of Ohio. Neither is Ohio. The state does not recognize The Ohio State University as their official flagship university. But....

Cheers!
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(07-20-2016 02:56 PM)chatcat Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!

CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?

Cincinnati is more of a "flagship" than half of the so called flagships in the country.

By both state-funding and support you'd be correct...but by name you are not. If we were Ohio Polytechnical Institute (ie Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, etc.) we would've been in a power conference years ago.

Using "flagship" as a defining term for the University of New Mexico is an affront to the word. I'd rather be a support cruiser in the US Navy than the flagship of the Serbian Navy...

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Population of state of New Mexico: 2,086,000
Population of Orlando Metro: 2,134,400
Population of Cincinnati Metro: 2,217,800
Population of state of Connecticut: 3,597,100
Population of Tampa Metro: 4,310,520
Population of Philadelphia Metro: 6,051,100
Population of Houston Metro: 6,490,200
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(07-20-2016 03:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:56 PM)chatcat Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!

CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?

Cincinnati is more of a "flagship" than half of the so called flagships in the country.

By both state-funding and support you'd be correct...but by name you are not. If we were Ohio Polytechnical Institute (ie Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, etc.) we would've been in a power conference years ago.

Using "flagship" as a defining term for the University of New Mexico is an affront to the word. I'd rather be a support cruiser in the US Navy than the flagship of the Serbian Navy...

[Image: Serbian_Navy_2.jpg]

Population of state of New Mexico: 2,086,000
Population of Orlando Metro: 2,134,400
Population of Cincinnati Metro: 2,217,800
Population of state of Connecticut: 3,597,100
Population of Tampa Metro: 4,310,520
Population of Philadelphia Metro: 6,051,100
Population of Houston Metro: 6,490,200

So you are using New Mexico as a way to say that the state land grant, flagship university designation doesn't count because it's located in a small state? Have you ever been to New Mexico? They have branches of their school and UNM hospitals in almost every town in their state. They are the probably the biggest employer in their state. Why is that "an affront to the word flagship"?
Cheers!
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(07-20-2016 03:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 03:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:56 PM)chatcat Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!

CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?

Cincinnati is more of a "flagship" than half of the so called flagships in the country.

By both state-funding and support you'd be correct...but by name you are not. If we were Ohio Polytechnical Institute (ie Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, etc.) we would've been in a power conference years ago.

Using "flagship" as a defining term for the University of New Mexico is an affront to the word. I'd rather be a support cruiser in the US Navy than the flagship of the Serbian Navy...

[Image: Serbian_Navy_2.jpg]

Population of state of New Mexico: 2,086,000
Population of Orlando Metro: 2,134,400
Population of Cincinnati Metro: 2,217,800
Population of state of Connecticut: 3,597,100
Population of Tampa Metro: 4,310,520
Population of Philadelphia Metro: 6,051,100
Population of Houston Metro: 6,490,200

So you are using New Mexico as a way to say that the state land grant, flagship university designation doesn't count because it's located in a small state? Have you ever been to New Mexico? They have branches of their school and UNM hospitals in almost every town in their state. They are the probably the biggest employer in their state. What's your problem with them?
Cheers!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Ask anyone in higher education...you go to a state like New Mexico, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. when you have absolutely no other options. As I said before, being a flagship means nothing when you're the flagship of a fleet of rubber duckies. Also, if we're being technical, the University of New Mexico is NOT a land grant institution, but that's a minor detail. Land-Grant in and of itself means nothing with regard to prestige...I mean Central State is considered a "Land grant Institution" in Ohio, and I've never met anyone who thinks Central State is a prestigious University.
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(07-20-2016 03:23 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 03:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 03:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:56 PM)chatcat Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?

Cincinnati is more of a "flagship" than half of the so called flagships in the country.

By both state-funding and support you'd be correct...but by name you are not. If we were Ohio Polytechnical Institute (ie Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, etc.) we would've been in a power conference years ago.

Using "flagship" as a defining term for the University of New Mexico is an affront to the word. I'd rather be a support cruiser in the US Navy than the flagship of the Serbian Navy...

[Image: Serbian_Navy_2.jpg]

Population of state of New Mexico: 2,086,000
Population of Orlando Metro: 2,134,400
Population of Cincinnati Metro: 2,217,800
Population of state of Connecticut: 3,597,100
Population of Tampa Metro: 4,310,520
Population of Philadelphia Metro: 6,051,100
Population of Houston Metro: 6,490,200

So you are using New Mexico as a way to say that the state land grant, flagship university designation doesn't count because it's located in a small state? Have you ever been to New Mexico? They have branches of their school and UNM hospitals in almost every town in their state. They are the probably the biggest employer in their state. What's your problem with them?
Cheers!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Ask anyone in higher education...you go to a state like New Mexico, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. when you have absolutely no other options. As I said before, being a flagship means nothing when you're the flagship of a fleet of rubber duckies.

Your entitled to your opinion. I hope it's based on your own personal experience visiting the places you've cited. I've been to Cincy. Beautiful campus. Been many other places as well.
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Cheers!
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(07-20-2016 03:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:39 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reason I keep adding UCONN, Colorado St and New Mexico is because they are flagships. The P5 likes state flagships. The vast majority of P5 are state flagship schools. Those 3 also bring in new, growing, and decently sized markets. Trying to think like a college prez and AD. Thanks Frank O Tank.

P.S. I still want ECU in the Big 12 badly. If the AAC loses 3 or 4 schools we are screwed. I hope the AAC loses 0 if we aren't part of this big 12 expansion.
Cheers!

CSU is a flagship? Does that make Cincinnati a flagship as well? Can Memphis then call themselves a flagship?



Tricky. There are some unique situations:
Colorado lists Colorado and CSU as the flagships of Colorado.
Idaho is not the flagship of Idaho. Officially, the state of Idaho says their isn't a flagship (because of the rise of Boise).
Louisiana is not the state flagship of their state. LSU is.
And no, Cincy is not the flagship of Ohio. Neither is Ohio. The state does not recognize The Ohio State University as their official flagship university. But....

Cheers!

Your term "Louisiana" is not the University of Louisiana. That is a self-described and inaccurate nickname designed by the Lafayette school to confuse and market itself as THE state university. You are referencing the Univ of Louisiana -Lafayette. The University of Louisiana was originally the predecessor to Tulane which adopted his name with a significant donation...thus its official name is the Tulane University of Louisiana. The only state-administered school to become private in the country.
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(07-20-2016 03:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 03:23 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 03:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 03:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 02:56 PM)chatcat Wrote:  Cincinnati is more of a "flagship" than half of the so called flagships in the country.

By both state-funding and support you'd be correct...but by name you are not. If we were Ohio Polytechnical Institute (ie Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, etc.) we would've been in a power conference years ago.

Using "flagship" as a defining term for the University of New Mexico is an affront to the word. I'd rather be a support cruiser in the US Navy than the flagship of the Serbian Navy...

[Image: Serbian_Navy_2.jpg]

Population of state of New Mexico: 2,086,000
Population of Orlando Metro: 2,134,400
Population of Cincinnati Metro: 2,217,800
Population of state of Connecticut: 3,597,100
Population of Tampa Metro: 4,310,520
Population of Philadelphia Metro: 6,051,100
Population of Houston Metro: 6,490,200

So you are using New Mexico as a way to say that the state land grant, flagship university designation doesn't count because it's located in a small state? Have you ever been to New Mexico? They have branches of their school and UNM hospitals in almost every town in their state. They are the probably the biggest employer in their state. What's your problem with them?
Cheers!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Ask anyone in higher education...you go to a state like New Mexico, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. when you have absolutely no other options. As I said before, being a flagship means nothing when you're the flagship of a fleet of rubber duckies.

Your entitled to your opinion. I hope it's based on your own personal experience visiting the places you've cited. I've been to Cincy. Beautiful campus. Been many other places as well.
"It's a big and beautiful world. Most of us live and die in our little corner without seeing it. I'm not "most of us"
Cheers!


As a bsu fan I agree with you unfortunately. City schools will always be added after state land grant schools. Why I get a good chuckle about Houston to the P12. Never going to happen. Big 12 is more of an option for city/Private institutions
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