I'm surprised that a thread has not started yet.

What do you see as the implications of the ACC Network are for expansion?

Here is what I am thinking:
1) The status quo becomes probable.
2) The next most likely is the SEC getting OK/OK State. OK State as an option has increased due to ACC's GOR extention.

I don't think we will know what the exact implications will be until we know the financial details. How big of a player will the ACC be in the next round of realignment?

(07-19-2016 01:36 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I'm surprised that a thread has not started yet.

What do you see as the implications of the ACC Network are for expansion?

Here is what I am thinking:
1) The status quo becomes probable.
2) The next most likely is the SEC getting OK/OK State. OK State as an option has increased due to ACC's GOR extention.

I think the pressure is on the Big 12. I just don't see them adding two G5 schools that only get pro rata. Therefore I think they stick it out a couple of years until they can negotiate the best possible homes for the most Big 12 schools and then they dissolve. If the networks and other P4 conferences cooperate perhaps it can be done sooner but I wouldn't bet on it.

I do think it bodes well for OU & OSU to the SEC. The question then becomes where does Texas go?

They could move to the ACC as an indy and take either Baylor or T.C.U. with them as a full member to join with W.V.U.. If they did that then the ACC would have 16 full and a larger market for their network and Texas along with N.D. would help their brand even as partials.

Or, Texas could bolt for the PAC if the PAC was willing to throw a % of their network to ESPN. Then Texas, T.C.U., and Texas Tech might join Kansas State in the PAC. If that happens then Kansas to the Big 10 makes some sense, but who for #2? Iowa State / Connecticut?

So if I had to guess I'd say the PACN sells a % to ESPN and Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. gives the PAC a huge hold on Texas. Kansas State might just be another state. I think Iowa State is too disconnected geographically to make that move.

If the SEC gets 1 major brand out of it like OU and takes OSU to make it easier for the Sooners to keep Bedlam then perhaps the Big 10 takes Kansas and compromises on Iowa State. Then if Baylor and West Virginia head to the ACC and N.D. remains a partial we have everyone accounted for.

But truly who knows? Texas will do what Texas wants to do.

Concur. Extending the GOR 10 years beyond the Big12 GOR is a death knell for the Big12. I cannot imagine OU signing a GOR extension with the Big12. assuming OSU cannot be left behind in a dead conference, the SEC becomes most likely for that pair. KU will go to the B1G with somebody not named KState. Would they take Iowa State as 16 even though they already have Iowa? I still believe that the ACC will not ever accept WVU. They would probably make a play for Texas and a friend as full members. I don't believe they would offer Texas a partial membership a la ND. They are not ND and they never will be.

(07-19-2016 02:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 01:36 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I'm surprised that a thread has not started yet.

What do you see as the implications of the ACC Network are for expansion?

Here is what I am thinking:
1) The status quo becomes probable.
2) The next most likely is the SEC getting OK/OK State. OK State as an option has increased due to ACC's GOR extention.

I think the pressure is on the Big 12. I just don't see them adding two G5 schools that only get pro rata. Therefore I think they stick it out a couple of years until they can negotiate the best possible homes for the most Big 12 schools and then they dissolve. If the networks and other P4 conferences cooperate perhaps it can be done sooner but I wouldn't bet on it.

I do think it bodes well for OU & OSU to the SEC. The question then becomes where does Texas go?

They could move to the ACC as an indy and take either Baylor or T.C.U. with them as a full member to join with W.V.U.. If they did that then the ACC would have 16 full and a larger market for their network and Texas along with N.D. would help their brand even as partials.

Or, Texas could bolt for the PAC if the PAC was willing to throw a % of their network to ESPN. Then Texas, T.C.U., and Texas Tech might join Kansas State in the PAC. If that happens then Kansas to the Big 10 makes some sense, but who for #2? Iowa State / Connecticut?

So if I had to guess I'd say the PACN sells a % to ESPN and Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. gives the PAC a huge hold on Texas. Kansas State might just be another state. I think Iowa State is too disconnected geographically to make that move.

If the SEC gets 1 major brand out of it like OU and takes OSU to make it easier for the Sooners to keep Bedlam then perhaps the Big 10 takes Kansas and compromises on Iowa State. Then if Baylor and West Virginia head to the ACC and N.D. remains a partial we have everyone accounted for.

But truly who knows? Texas will do what Texas wants to do.

Another implication here is the potential for the realization of what we've bantered about in the past...a partnership between the SEC and ACC Networks. I would think that is highly likely.

Would ESPN use the 2 leagues, as we have theorized at times, to take enough members to essentially dissolve the Big 12?

(07-19-2016 04:13 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Another implication here is the potential for the realization of what we've bantered about in the past...a partnership between the SEC and ACC Networks. I would think that is highly likely.

Would ESPN use the 2 leagues, as we have theorized at times, to take enough members to essentially dissolve the Big 12?

Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas & WV to the SEC & Texas, TCU, TTech & Iowa St to the ACC would do that.

The B12 isn't going to be dissolving now that they are expanding. That can forever be put to rest.

The success or non success of an ACC Network isn't the relevant topic for other conferences right now. It is the GOR that matters. That is what makes the ACC secured for 20 years.

(07-19-2016 07:12 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  The B12 isn't going to be dissolving now that they are expanding. That can forever be put to rest.

The success or non success of an ACC Network isn't the relevant topic for other conferences right now. It is the GOR that matters. That is what makes the ACC secured for 20 years.

Is Texas really going to be happy with usf ucf Cincinnati or Boise? I think this is going to get ugly in a hurry.

(07-19-2016 07:44 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 07:12 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  The B12 isn't going to be dissolving now that they are expanding. That can forever be put to rest.

The success or non success of an ACC Network isn't the relevant topic for other conferences right now. It is the GOR that matters. That is what makes the ACC secured for 20 years.

Is Texas really going to be happy with usf ucf Cincinnati or Boise? I think this is going to get ugly in a hurry.

Nope. They will not want that. But they are going to allow it so they can get out. Tech would likely have been voted down by the B1G. Now the parties don't have to worry about that.

It all comes down to not signing a new GOR. If they do, then expansion is over for a long time.

(07-19-2016 07:12 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  The B12 isn't going to be dissolving now that they are expanding. That can forever be put to rest.

The success or non success of an ACC Network isn't the relevant topic for other conferences right now. It is the GOR that matters. That is what makes the ACC secured for 20 years.

The ACCN is relevant though. I doubt the members would have signed a GOR extension unless they were getting a bump in pay and this new mechanism for exposure.

It also shows they are committed to each other for the future. They are now being proactive rather than reactive. When that 20 year benchmark rolls around, unless something changes dramatically, I think you'll see this group continue to stick together.

(07-19-2016 02:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 01:36 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I'm surprised that a thread has not started yet.

What do you see as the implications of the ACC Network are for expansion?

Here is what I am thinking:
1) The status quo becomes probable.
2) The next most likely is the SEC getting OK/OK State. OK State as an option has increased due to ACC's GOR extention.

I think the pressure is on the Big 12. I just don't see them adding two G5 schools that only get pro rata. Therefore I think they stick it out a couple of years until they can negotiate the best possible homes for the most Big 12 schools and then they dissolve. If the networks and other P4 conferences cooperate perhaps it can be done sooner but I wouldn't bet on it.

I do think it bodes well for OU & OSU to the SEC. The question then becomes where does Texas go?

They could move to the ACC as an indy and take either Baylor or T.C.U. with them as a full member to join with W.V.U.. If they did that then the ACC would have 16 full and a larger market for their network and Texas along with N.D. would help their brand even as partials.

Or, Texas could bolt for the PAC if the PAC was willing to throw a % of their network to ESPN. Then Texas, T.C.U., and Texas Tech might join Kansas State in the PAC. If that happens then Kansas to the Big 10 makes some sense, but who for #2? Iowa State / Connecticut?

So if I had to guess I'd say the PACN sells a % to ESPN and Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. gives the PAC a huge hold on Texas. Kansas State might just be another state. I think Iowa State is too disconnected geographically to make that move.

If the SEC gets 1 major brand out of it like OU and takes OSU to make it easier for the Sooners to keep Bedlam then perhaps the Big 10 takes Kansas and compromises on Iowa State. Then if Baylor and West Virginia head to the ACC and N.D. remains a partial we have everyone accounted for.

But truly who knows? Texas will do what Texas wants to do.

Nobody saw an ACC Network and a new 20 GOR/ESPN deal coming...and this soon for the announcement.

Six years of realignment theories and hundreds of posts and blogs on how the ACC was going to be carved up....all dead wrong and now long gone.

What happens when the Big 12 expands by four schools and signs another long term GOR, if they do?

Is realignment then dead?

(07-20-2016 06:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 02:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 01:36 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I'm surprised that a thread has not started yet.

What do you see as the implications of the ACC Network are for expansion?

Here is what I am thinking:
1) The status quo becomes probable.
2) The next most likely is the SEC getting OK/OK State. OK State as an option has increased due to ACC's GOR extention.

I think the pressure is on the Big 12. I just don't see them adding two G5 schools that only get pro rata. Therefore I think they stick it out a couple of years until they can negotiate the best possible homes for the most Big 12 schools and then they dissolve. If the networks and other P4 conferences cooperate perhaps it can be done sooner but I wouldn't bet on it.

I do think it bodes well for OU & OSU to the SEC. The question then becomes where does Texas go?

They could move to the ACC as an indy and take either Baylor or T.C.U. with them as a full member to join with W.V.U.. If they did that then the ACC would have 16 full and a larger market for their network and Texas along with N.D. would help their brand even as partials.

Or, Texas could bolt for the PAC if the PAC was willing to throw a % of their network to ESPN. Then Texas, T.C.U., and Texas Tech might join Kansas State in the PAC. If that happens then Kansas to the Big 10 makes some sense, but who for #2? Iowa State / Connecticut?

So if I had to guess I'd say the PACN sells a % to ESPN and Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. gives the PAC a huge hold on Texas. Kansas State might just be another state. I think Iowa State is too disconnected geographically to make that move.

If the SEC gets 1 major brand out of it like OU and takes OSU to make it easier for the Sooners to keep Bedlam then perhaps the Big 10 takes Kansas and compromises on Iowa State. Then if Baylor and West Virginia head to the ACC and N.D. remains a partial we have everyone accounted for.

But truly who knows? Texas will do what Texas wants to do.

Nobody saw an ACC Network and a new 20 GOR/ESPN deal coming...and this soon for the announcement.

Six years of realignment theories and hundreds of posts and blogs on how the ACC was going to be carved up....all dead wrong and now long gone.

What happens when the Big 12 expands by four schools and signs another long term GOR, if they do?

Is realignment then dead?

For a long while it would be.

Will the B1G turn its attention to the PAC? USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington & Oregon to the B1G? That would free up Arizona, Arizona St, Utah & Colorado for the B12. What about a PAC & B12 merger?

(07-20-2016 10:19 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Will the B1G turn its attention to the PAC? USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington & Oregon to the B1G? That would free up Arizona, Arizona St, Utah & Colorado for the B12. What about a PAC & B12 merger?

The PAC actually has their own GOR. That and the geography would, logistically speaking, make it difficult at best.

(07-20-2016 06:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Nobody saw an ACC Network and a new 20 GOR/ESPN deal coming...and this soon for the announcement.

Six years of realignment theories and hundreds of posts and blogs on how the ACC was going to be carved up....all dead wrong and now long gone.

What happens when the Big 12 expands by four schools and signs another long term GOR, if they do?

Is realignment then dead?

We expansion junkies are a bunch of know-it-alls. We think we have it figured out and then these darn college presidents do something we don't expect.

(07-20-2016 10:19 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Will the B1G turn its attention to the PAC? USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington & Oregon to the B1G? That would free up Arizona, Arizona St, Utah & Colorado for the B12. What about a PAC & B12 merger?

More Delany Worship induced pipe dream, I think (not from you, but others).

(07-20-2016 10:19 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Will the B1G turn its attention to the PAC? USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington & Oregon to the B1G? That would free up Arizona, Arizona St, Utah & Colorado for the B12. What about a PAC & B12 merger?

No. It will be UT

(07-20-2016 06:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 02:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 01:36 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I'm surprised that a thread has not started yet.

What do you see as the implications of the ACC Network are for expansion?

Here is what I am thinking:
1) The status quo becomes probable.
2) The next most likely is the SEC getting OK/OK State. OK State as an option has increased due to ACC's GOR extention.

I think the pressure is on the Big 12. I just don't see them adding two G5 schools that only get pro rata. Therefore I think they stick it out a couple of years until they can negotiate the best possible homes for the most Big 12 schools and then they dissolve. If the networks and other P4 conferences cooperate perhaps it can be done sooner but I wouldn't bet on it.

I do think it bodes well for OU & OSU to the SEC. The question then becomes where does Texas go?

They could move to the ACC as an indy and take either Baylor or T.C.U. with them as a full member to join with W.V.U.. If they did that then the ACC would have 16 full and a larger market for their network and Texas along with N.D. would help their brand even as partials.

Or, Texas could bolt for the PAC if the PAC was willing to throw a % of their network to ESPN. Then Texas, T.C.U., and Texas Tech might join Kansas State in the PAC. If that happens then Kansas to the Big 10 makes some sense, but who for #2? Iowa State / Connecticut?

So if I had to guess I'd say the PACN sells a % to ESPN and Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. gives the PAC a huge hold on Texas. Kansas State might just be another state. I think Iowa State is too disconnected geographically to make that move.

If the SEC gets 1 major brand out of it like OU and takes OSU to make it easier for the Sooners to keep Bedlam then perhaps the Big 10 takes Kansas and compromises on Iowa State. Then if Baylor and West Virginia head to the ACC and N.D. remains a partial we have everyone accounted for.

But truly who knows? Texas will do what Texas wants to do.

Nobody saw an ACC Network and a new 20 GOR/ESPN deal coming...and this soon for the announcement.

Six years of realignment theories and hundreds of posts and blogs on how the ACC was going to be carved up....all dead wrong and now long gone.

What happens when the Big 12 expands by four schools and signs another long term GOR, if they do?

Is realignment then dead?

It really depends upon what direction things take. If the Big 12 expands without a new GOR things could be quite different than if they did. If they do expand and sign a new GOR it would mean that if conferences like the Big 10 and SEC desired to alleviate some scheduling issues and alignment issues they might have to look to lesser, but promising brands with which to do it. It might be the golden opportunity for an East Carolina, a Central Florida, a Connecticut, or a Buffalo. But that aside it could well settle down for a couple of decades depending upon the stability of our economy. Make no mistake about it, the ACC was vulnerable, and that vulnerability as with that of the Big 12 was essentially economic in nature. The economy more so than the desires of conferences will determine how long the new order lasts before pressure rearranges it.

The turmoil Terry D. is going to be ratcheted up in all phases of human life. Overpopulation, automation, and environmental impact are all combining for a new kind of critical mass that impacts life, economies, defense, and the basic essentials for life. The three part old Chinese curse is in effect. May you live in interesting times. May those in authority take notice of you. And may every desire of your heart come true.

(07-20-2016 10:19 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Will the B1G turn its attention to the PAC? USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington & Oregon to the B1G? That would free up Arizona, Arizona St, Utah & Colorado for the B12. What about a PAC & B12 merger?

Take with a grain of salt, but interesting...

MHver3 ‏@MHver3  · 28m28 minutes ago

Bowlsby is talking to AZ, Colorado, and Arizona St over the next few days regarding their interest in The B12.

Then talks will begin anew with BYU, UC, Uconn, UCF, Memphis, Colorado St, and Houston.



I know the PAC has had trouble with distribution. Heard a rumor that the national PAC channel got picked up by cable in CA and AZ, but not sure.

(07-20-2016 12:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 06:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 02:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 01:36 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I'm surprised that a thread has not started yet.

What do you see as the implications of the ACC Network are for expansion?

Here is what I am thinking:
1) The status quo becomes probable.
2) The next most likely is the SEC getting OK/OK State. OK State as an option has increased due to ACC's GOR extention.

I think the pressure is on the Big 12. I just don't see them adding two G5 schools that only get pro rata. Therefore I think they stick it out a couple of years until they can negotiate the best possible homes for the most Big 12 schools and then they dissolve. If the networks and other P4 conferences cooperate perhaps it can be done sooner but I wouldn't bet on it.

I do think it bodes well for OU & OSU to the SEC. The question then becomes where does Texas go?

They could move to the ACC as an indy and take either Baylor or T.C.U. with them as a full member to join with W.V.U.. If they did that then the ACC would have 16 full and a larger market for their network and Texas along with N.D. would help their brand even as partials.

Or, Texas could bolt for the PAC if the PAC was willing to throw a % of their network to ESPN. Then Texas, T.C.U., and Texas Tech might join Kansas State in the PAC. If that happens then Kansas to the Big 10 makes some sense, but who for #2? Iowa State / Connecticut?

So if I had to guess I'd say the PACN sells a % to ESPN and Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. gives the PAC a huge hold on Texas. Kansas State might just be another state. I think Iowa State is too disconnected geographically to make that move.

If the SEC gets 1 major brand out of it like OU and takes OSU to make it easier for the Sooners to keep Bedlam then perhaps the Big 10 takes Kansas and compromises on Iowa State. Then if Baylor and West Virginia head to the ACC and N.D. remains a partial we have everyone accounted for.

But truly who knows? Texas will do what Texas wants to do.

Nobody saw an ACC Network and a new 20 GOR/ESPN deal coming...and this soon for the announcement.

Six years of realignment theories and hundreds of posts and blogs on how the ACC was going to be carved up....all dead wrong and now long gone.

What happens when the Big 12 expands by four schools and signs another long term GOR, if they do?

Is realignment then dead?

It really depends upon what direction things take. If the Big 12 expands without a new GOR things could be quite different than if they did. If they do expand and sign a new GOR it would mean that if conferences like the Big 10 and SEC desired to alleviate some scheduling issues and alignment issues they might have to look to lesser, but promising brands with which to do it. It might be the golden opportunity for an East Carolina, a Central Florida, a Connecticut, or a Buffalo. But that aside it could well settle down for a couple of decades depending upon the stability of our economy. Make no mistake about it, the ACC was vulnerable, and that vulnerability as with that of the Big 12 was essentially economic in nature. The economy more so than the desires of conferences will determine how long the new order lasts before pressure rearranges it.

The turmoil Terry D. is going to be ratcheted up in all phases of human life. Overpopulation, automation, and environmental impact are all combining for a new kind of critical mass that impacts life, economies, defense, and the basic essentials for life. The three part old Chinese curse is in effect. May you live in interesting times. May those in authority take notice of you. And may ever desire of your heart come true.

Supposedly the SEC turned down the OU/OSU combo the year Boren wallflowered to the PAC-12. OSU is a better candidate then all of those schools. I could see the B1G, SEC, and newly expanded B12 asking for even greater scheduling flexibility rather than expanding with lesser teams.

What will be interesting is if the B12 GOR gets extended. I don't think Texas would ever sign that. OU might, might...which is scary.