If the American got a huge raise and was given the option to expand. Do not expect Boise State to be offered membership unless the media partner pays a ton for it. That ship sailed and left bridges burned in between.

The American would seek to expand with BYU and SDSU first. If further expanding they'd go after Air Force and UNLV. If Air Force refuses then Colorado State is on deck.

The American will not go after Army as Army will simply not budge. Air Force may move if they see the MWC exploding.

(07-09-2016 08:47 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Any additions to the AAC will depend on it getting tv money that will separate it from the other G5. If that is not happening then I don't see the league expanding.

Now if the league got a bump to 8 million per team and the MWC got 2-4 mill then I could see the league adding some.

This ^

BYU may move to AAC for same money they make now (plus keep their third tier rights) in order to have a better shot at Access bowl.

If that is the case, I would take BYU and one other MWC team with best attendance and market.

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(07-09-2016 08:34 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 08:16 AM)aac4life Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 06:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  West
Boise
AF
SDSU
Col St
Tulsa
UH
SMU
Tulane

East
UC
Memphis
UCF
USF
ECU
UCONN
Temple
Navy

Gives us coast to coast best of rest, kills MWC, our only other competition to the NY6 Bowl (ACC did same thing to Big East and it worked beautifully for them)

That's not going to happen, because Boise is to the MWC as Texas is to the Big 12 and receives a larger share of revenue (and TV exposure) than the rest of the MWC members (one which works out to more money than what they would get in the current AAC deal).

I like the idea of crippling the MWC. Especially if there's going to be a P5 split in a few years.

I also know our Presidents have hard feelings for Boise after the way they backed out at the last minute.

So why not cripple the Boise AND the MWC?

Take Air Force, Colo State, San Diego St and Fresno St. Get the Denver and San Diego TV markets. Get three of the top MWC academic schools. Get three of the top MWC football attendance schools.

At the very least, adding these four schools gives you bargaining power and leverage over Boise (and BYU).

The problem is, Colo St, SDSU, Fresno and Air Force aren't likely to make a lateral move.

Yeah because there is such a history of pulling MWC teams lol. The big east could with the auto bid and more tv $ however once that changed to the AAC the luster was gone and bsu and sdsu went back to the MWC because nobody else would do a lateral move. BYU makes more on their own and will never join a G5 league with Utah being in the P12. Their ego will not allow it.

(07-09-2016 10:46 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 05:48 AM)aac4life Wrote:  Boise State? Air Force? Army? Hypothetically speaking of course...

Here's the fundamental flaw in your question:
THEY DON'T WANT TO JOIN THE AAC!
-Air Force doesn't want to join the AAC.
-Boise State doesn't want to join the AAC.
-Colorado State doesn't want to join the AAC.

Apparently the only school that wants to join the AAC is Northern Illinois. So, start there.

I was simply throwing out names of schools that the AAC has been trying to recruit for years ( I never mentioned CSU, btw) and although they declined (which I'm fully aware of), the AAC would accept them in a heart beat, if they ever changed their minds. The AAC has absolutely no interest in NIU.

(07-09-2016 06:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Lets pretend UC and Memphis aren't being announced to B12 soon....

I would go to 16: add Boise, AF, SDSU, Col St.,

Gives us coast to coast best of rest, kills MWC, our only other competition to the NY6 Bowl (ACC did same thing to Big East and it worked beautifully for them)

West
Boise
AF
SDSU
Col St
Tulsa
UH
SMU
Tulane

East
UC
Memphis
UCF
USF
ECU
UCONN
Temple
Navy

I think they should be working on this now. I would actually add UNLV over Air Force due to basketball and market size.

Basketball could break into three division where you play each division rival twice and everyone else once.

North: Cincinnati, UConn, Temple, Memphis, ECU
West: Tulsa, Colorado State, SDSU, Boise State, UNLV
South: SMU, Houston, UCF, USF, Tulane

Right now the South would be the weakest in terms of tradition but I believe you have to load up the other division if you want to earn 5 to 8 tournament bids a year in a 15 team league.

I also would have a bowl and scheduling agreement with BYU and Army. Four games a year each and a potential bowl game if they 6 wins.

This conference probably could earn 5 to 10 million in a TV contract and would look up the NY6 bowl game every year season. In my view this conference needed to created already.

(07-09-2016 10:08 AM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 06:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Lets pretend UC and Memphis aren't being announced to B12 soon....

I would go to 16: add Boise, AF, SDSU, Col St.,

Gives us coast to coast best of rest, kills MWC, our only other competition to the NY6 Bowl (ACC did same thing to Big East and it worked beautifully for them)

West
Boise
AF
SDSU
Col St
Tulsa
UH
SMU
Tulane

East
UC
Memphis
UCF
USF
ECU
UCONN
Temple
Navy

This just gets to me...y'all want to add teams like BYU, AF, SDSU, and Colorado St ??? I can understand BYU..but those other 3 ? Are you serious? Ask yourselves, do you want the AAC to be filled with teams that present a strong competitive league on the field, the court, and on the diamond...or do you want the AAC to be filled with teams that are across the nation that create long travel, no competition, no true rivals...only based on TV markets ? San Diego St ? Colorado St ? Air Force ? BYU is the only one mentioned that had any kind of football presence of those mentioned...but it's still no logic to add them because of where they are located. I know I'm biased but the one that make the most sense to be added are Southern Miss....and Northern Illinois (savcool), period! Both of these programs are proud, competitive on the field year in and year out..and both need that extra help to reach that next level which would help both schools and the AAC. Most of you in the AAC are very knowledgeable about USM, even way before CUSA was ever created..and we've had good relationships with you all. You know what Southern Miss and Northern Illinois can and will bring to the table..a strong presence on the field, recruiting, chances to make the AAC banner proud with bowls, championships, and possibly another 2 teams to compete for the Access bowl.

It seems to me that the members of the AAC want to water down the league with teams that aren't going to be too competitive so it won't take away from the higher ups in the AAC already, but just add them for money and markets but won't be a factor of knocking them from the catbirds seat atop the standings. You know what programs like Southern Miss and Northern Illinois can do with resources as you all have. Both of the schools can compete with you all now being in CUSA and the MAC even those two conferences are below the AAC in rankings but the fear of them passing you by by joining the AAC scares most of you. Look at how it was when we were all on the same leveling field in CUSA..! I didn't post this to say that any member of the AAC is not competitive on an aspect but you all know this. It's as plain as black and white...USM and NIU would be 2 of the best choices the AAC could add!

I'm not in favor of any adds honestly but that's not a knock against USM. It's recognizing that what we currently have needs to use our scarce resources in building the league. Everything you say about USM is true and the former Liberty Bowl Alliance and C-USA fans know that. So if there were to be two adds I agree that USM should be in consideration based on their previous body of work and potential. Adding BYU if the financials were there is a no brainer. They have a very solid football program.

The Air Force thing keeps coming up based on being paired with Navy for the Commanders Cup Trophy to be basically a conference thing, kind of. CSU is a land grant state flagship university so that makes sense from that standpoint I suppose.

(07-09-2016 11:08 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Yeah because there is such a history of pulling MWC teams lol. The big east could with the auto bid and more tv $ however once that changed to the AAC the luster was gone and bsu and sdsu went back to the MWC because nobody else would do a lateral move. BYU makes more on their own and will never join a G5 league with Utah being in the P12. Their ego will not allow it.

please stop, why dont you ever add any truth to your points...why not mention the sweetheart deal you tried to pimp on both our leagues

you keep portraying this narrative that you left becuase the money wasnt there anymore and thats it...but you never mention that boise pinned us against each other to get a sweetheart deal, the mwc folded, we didnt

if the MWC today said they were willing to give byu a 6mil a year deal and the rest takes 1 million and the AAC said even revenue sharing only and byu goes to the mwc, that doent me the AAC lost its luster or the mwc is better...it means a sweetheart deal was offered..the end, no other deeper meaning

(07-09-2016 11:35 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I also would have a bowl and scheduling agreement with BYU

Doesn't the AAC and BYU already have a quasi scheduling agreement?

(07-09-2016 11:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  why not mention the sweetheart deal you tried to pimp on both our leagues

if the MWC today said they were willing to give byu a 6mil a year deal and the rest takes 1 million and the AAC said even revenue sharing only and byu goes to the mwc, that doent me the AAC lost its luster or the mwc is better...it means a sweetheart deal was offered..the end, no other deeper meaning

agreed

again, are the mwc adds super duper? no

but it cuts the heart out of the only real competition in the G5 the AAC has and makes it the defacto league for the NY6 bowl...you could even sell recruits on that

you have to get nasty folks...nasty means taking the competition out (legally, etc.)...see ACC vs Big East and it worked like a charm

we need to do same thing to mwc

if you don't want boise, fine, leave them in the mwc...it will be so watered down they could go undefeated every year in it and nobody would care but the AAC needs to get aggressive and add at least AF, Col St, SDSU, Fresno then

MWC is marginalized
We have coast to coast

we go renegotiate tv deal and bowl line up

mwc is knocked down to cusa, mac, sunbelt level

checkmate


you guys are always talking about 'making the best of the situation'....this is doing that. it is creating our own destiny so to speak

not as good as a P5 invite, but at least better than we have now if we play the cards right


if we could somehow add BYU (let them keep their tv deal,, sunday rule, etc) then its even better

(07-09-2016 11:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:08 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Yeah because there is such a history of pulling MWC teams lol. The big east could with the auto bid and more tv $ however once that changed to the AAC the luster was gone and bsu and sdsu went back to the MWC because nobody else would do a lateral move. BYU makes more on their own and will never join a G5 league with Utah being in the P12. Their ego will not allow it.

please stop, why dont you ever add any truth to your points...why not mention the sweetheart deal you tried to pimp on both our leagues

you keep portraying this narrative that you left becuase the money wasnt there anymore and thats it...but you never mention that boise pinned us against each other to get a sweetheart deal, the mwc folded, we didnt

if the MWC today said they were willing to give byu a 6mil a year deal and the rest takes 1 million and the AAC said even revenue sharing only and byu goes to the mwc, that doent me the AAC lost its luster or the mwc is better...it means a sweetheart deal was offered..the end, no other deeper meaning

Sdsu didn't have a sweetheart deal, neither did any other MWC school who was asked. Truth is the AAC was a lateral move with the additions that were made so nobody wanted to move. I'm sorry the facts get in the way of some AAC fanboys perception of its place in the college football world. Posts saying to just add MWC teams and they will jump at the chance are laughable. Byu joining is even more so with their reasons for going Indy (Utah in the P12) and the $ and exposure they are getting.

Is this the MWC board? I must be lost...

AAC>MWC...deal with it...

(07-09-2016 11:56 AM)aac4life Wrote:  AAC>MWC...deal with it...

right now that is up for debate

take sdsu, fresno, col st. and air force however and the MWC is left for dead

(07-09-2016 11:58 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:56 AM)aac4life Wrote:  AAC>MWC...deal with it...

right now that is up for debate

Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:58 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:56 AM)aac4life Wrote:  AAC>MWC...deal with it...

right now that is up for debate

Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man

(07-09-2016 11:47 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:08 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Yeah because there is such a history of pulling MWC teams lol. The big east could with the auto bid and more tv $ however once that changed to the AAC the luster was gone and bsu and sdsu went back to the MWC because nobody else would do a lateral move. BYU makes more on their own and will never join a G5 league with Utah being in the P12. Their ego will not allow it.

please stop, why dont you ever add any truth to your points...why not mention the sweetheart deal you tried to pimp on both our leagues

you keep portraying this narrative that you left becuase the money wasnt there anymore and thats it...but you never mention that boise pinned us against each other to get a sweetheart deal, the mwc folded, we didnt

if the MWC today said they were willing to give byu a 6mil a year deal and the rest takes 1 million and the AAC said even revenue sharing only and byu goes to the mwc, that doent me the AAC lost its luster or the mwc is better...it means a sweetheart deal was offered..the end, no other deeper meaning

Sdsu didn't have a sweetheart deal, neither did any other MWC school who was asked. Truth is the AAC was a lateral move with the additions that were made so nobody wanted to move. I'm sorry the facts get in the way of some AAC fanboys perception of its place in the college football world. Posts saying to just add MWC teams and they will jump at the chance are laughable. Byu joining is even more so with their reasons for going Indy (Utah in the P12) and the $ and exposure they are getting.

sdsu took 3 weeks to return to the MWC despite the boise return contract saying they could come back day one.
4 days before Boise officially left, when the value of our tv deal was known and the media reported that Boise leaving was inevitable sdsu president and AD said they heard the rumors but were completely still committed to the AAC

3 weeks after "leaving" sdsu announces that they are going to add 2 womens sports to the aac. and how they were joyful to still be members of the AAC ( meaning they would still be in contact with our presidents)

notice in the link i showed you yesterday with the AAC presidents about boise wanting a sweetheart deal, note how sdsu emails were linked in the group emails of presidents against it

you keep saying facts, when the 3 mwc fans who come here spit out fairy-tales with no evidence to back it up, NONE and that includes you..everything i posted above i can show you credible links to back it up

the statement that sdsu and boise found out about the tulane add via the media has got to be one of the stupidest rumors ive heard

sdsu left because they couldnt find a partner, they never wanted to leave (hundreds of evidence backs that statement up)..no other mwc jumped because boise returning to the mwc left the aac unstable for a western team to join ...

if the big 12 got a 35mil per contract but had rumors of their top 2 teams maybe leaving and the acc was sill at 25mil, if fsu jumped to the big 12 and then decided to comeback to the acc for whatever reason youll find out the big 12 will have a hard time convincing clemson to take their place

(07-09-2016 12:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:58 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:56 AM)aac4life Wrote:  AAC>MWC...deal with it...

right now that is up for debate

Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man

You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

(07-09-2016 12:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:47 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:08 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Yeah because there is such a history of pulling MWC teams lol. The big east could with the auto bid and more tv $ however once that changed to the AAC the luster was gone and bsu and sdsu went back to the MWC because nobody else would do a lateral move. BYU makes more on their own and will never join a G5 league with Utah being in the P12. Their ego will not allow it.

please stop, why dont you ever add any truth to your points...why not mention the sweetheart deal you tried to pimp on both our leagues

you keep portraying this narrative that you left becuase the money wasnt there anymore and thats it...but you never mention that boise pinned us against each other to get a sweetheart deal, the mwc folded, we didnt

if the MWC today said they were willing to give byu a 6mil a year deal and the rest takes 1 million and the AAC said even revenue sharing only and byu goes to the mwc, that doent me the AAC lost its luster or the mwc is better...it means a sweetheart deal was offered..the end, no other deeper meaning

Sdsu didn't have a sweetheart deal, neither did any other MWC school who was asked. Truth is the AAC was a lateral move with the additions that were made so nobody wanted to move. I'm sorry the facts get in the way of some AAC fanboys perception of its place in the college football world. Posts saying to just add MWC teams and they will jump at the chance are laughable. Byu joining is even more so with their reasons for going Indy (Utah in the P12) and the $ and exposure they are getting.

sdsu took 3 weeks to return to the MWC despite the boise return contract saying they could come back day one.
4 days before Boise officially left, when the value of our tv deal was known and the media reported that Boise leaving was inevitable sdsu president and AD said they heard the rumors but were completely still committed to the AAC

3 weeks after "leaving" sdsu announces that they are going to add 2 womens sports to the aac. and how they were joyful to still be members of the AAC ( meaning they would still be in contact with our presidents)

notice in the link i showed you yesterday with the AAC presidents about boise wanting a sweetheart deal, note how sdsu emails were linked in the group emails of presidents against it

you keep saying facts, when the 3 mwc fans who come here spit out fairy-tales with no evidence to back it up, NONE and that includes you..everything i posted above i can show you credible links to back it up

the statement that sdsu and boise found out about the tulane add via the media has got to be one of the stupidest rumors ive heard

sdsu left because they couldnt find a partner, they never wanted to leave (hundreds of evidence backs that statement up)..no other mwc jumped because boise returning to the mwc left the aac unstable for a western team to join ...

if the big 12 got a 35mil per contract but had rumors of their top 2 teams maybe leaving and the acc was sill at 25mil, if fsu jumped to the big 12 and then decided to comeback to the acc for whatever reason youll find out the big 12 will have a hard time convincing clemson to take their place

You are right. Bsu left and the AAC couldn't get any more quality schools from the west to join the AAC. Since NOBODY wanted to move they followed bsu back to the MWC. Nothing has changed that.

(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 12:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:58 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 11:56 AM)aac4life Wrote:  AAC>MWC...deal with it...

right now that is up for debate

Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man

You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.