I know. I just wandered over to the other thread too. I spend too much time on here and all it does is depress me. People don't want to come together. People want Hate.

Hate is too big of a burden for me. In times like these I yearn for common ground from my countrymen. I pray I am in the majority still. Reading these posts on here though. You get a warped sense of your country and fellow man.

(07-08-2016 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:04 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Sprinkle in the Bundy types and the Warren's of the world in that open carry black and white video I showed and If you have half a brain you can see where the anger comes from from the BLM crew.

Honest to goodness. Think if the BLM types over took a federal building like the Bundy dipshits did. Do you honestly think the police smokes them out like they did?

I'm conflicted as heck on this but at the end of it. I stand with the guys in blue who are doing their absolute best in troubled times.

Respect Authority
Comply with orders

Both sides have their dipshits that antagonize our policeman.

FWIW, the BLM folks (one was a white girl actually) was screaming obscenities at the cops as they roped off the crime scene. Their "crime"... arresting a young man who fit the description and happened to be wearing a bullet proof vest for some reason.

That behavior is beyond sickening to me. These guys had just lost 5 of their brothers. One looked like he could have cried.

you know who else cried? the son of that black man the police murdered in Louisiana...too many tears IMHO.

kids often cry when they are sexually molested

Sexually molested............ What in THE F

(07-08-2016 10:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Sprinkle in the Bundy types and the Warren's of the world in that open carry black and white video I showed and If you have half a brain you can see where the anger comes from from the BLM crew.

Honest to goodness. Think if the BLM types over took a federal building like the Bundy dipshits did. Do you honestly think the police smokes them out like they did?

I'm conflicted as heck on this but at the end of it. I stand with the guys in blue who are doing their absolute best in troubled times.

Respect Authority
Comply with orders

Both sides have their dipshits that antagonize our policemen and women.

My daughter...white...Master's degree...was doing field research with other grad students at a rural location.

A deputy sheriff spotted them and their vehicles in a wooded area.

He came in high speed with lights on. Exited his vehicle screaming yelling and cursing hand on weapon ordering them up against their clearly marked university vehicles and listening to no one.

He only calmed down when their faculty adviser came out of the woods.

They were young...in the woods...and he had judged them as meth-heads. Despite their vehicles, lights, and equipment.

Everything I had taught her about police went out the window with one aggressive policing interaction.

Multiply that by a million and you create a community support/trust problem.

(07-08-2016 10:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:04 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Sprinkle in the Bundy types and the Warren's of the world in that open carry black and white video I showed and If you have half a brain you can see where the anger comes from from the BLM crew.

Honest to goodness. Think if the BLM types over took a federal building like the Bundy dipshits did. Do you honestly think the police smokes them out like they did?

I'm conflicted as heck on this but at the end of it. I stand with the guys in blue who are doing their absolute best in troubled times.

Respect Authority
Comply with orders

Both sides have their dipshits that antagonize our policeman.

FWIW, the BLM folks (one was a white girl actually) was screaming obscenities at the cops as they roped off the crime scene. Their "crime"... arresting a young man who fit the description and happened to be wearing a bullet proof vest for some reason.

That behavior is beyond sickening to me. These guys had just lost 5 of their brothers. One looked like he could have cried.

you know who else cried? the son of that black man the police murdered in Louisiana...too many tears IMHO.

kids often cry when they are sexually molested

OK crazy...

Instead, he says stuff like this......





No mention of accountability, responsibility, personal control. Just that people are treated unfairly because they are black and latino. The President sets the tone. He owns this.

BTW, nice post Mach. Appreciate the effort.

(07-08-2016 08:55 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  claiming that there is a gun problem in this country is like saying the kkk had a rope problem...

At some point, the wisdom of allowing every loon with anger issues unlimited access to high capacity/fast fire weapons must be challenged IMHO.

Where did this young man (probably) get the gun? Was it another legally purchased weapon of mass mayhem?

How many mass shootings does it take?

And how many freedoms do we need to subrogate to a overly broad interpretation of the 2nd Amendment? Going out to a bar? Going to the movies? Protesting? Working as a cop? Being a process server? Going to church? Going to see Batman? Do we want to limit the media because you think its dangerous for them to say certain things or cover certain topics?

As far as I'm concerned, we are neither mature enough nor have enough respect for each other for virtually unlimited and unregulated access to certain firearms.

A young man committed this crime. Who used an easily obtainable instrument of mass killing. Just like in Orlando. And Sandy Hook. And Charleston. And Aurora...And....And...

Sorry if you don't want to hear it.

Thank would make too much sense Tom. We don't do make sense very well in this country anymore.

(07-08-2016 07:29 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:30 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:27 PM)muffinman Wrote:  BLM "activists" on Twitter doesn't want people jumping to conclusions without knowing all the facts.

Interesting that they don't practice what they preach.

those po' twitter twatters.....what a bunch o' fk'n idiots....

To those of you who are really active on Twitter, Facebook and so on... I don't know how you manage it. I admire your resilience. I don't think I have a thick enough shell to be bombarded with horrific news bursts and caustic, angry people in "real time" 24/7.

I already consume too much of it, I think. But I'm not on Twitter and my Facebook activity is very minimal. I can't imagine diving head first into them, adding all that frenzy on my phone.

Eh, it's a lot easier than you think.

This is what cops are dealing with.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/08/pol...icers.html

(07-08-2016 09:55 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So much of this could be avoided if you just COMPLY with the police. That's what I hope comes from this. We all need to be a little more cautious with our words and have a tad bit more understanding for our men in blue. Does racism exist. Hell yes. I think a lot of the time a cop is human. He's on edge a little bit when he approaches a car or a person of interest. You have to comply. Your life is at risk! It's just the reality. Look at it from both sides and try to understand both sides of the argument. I honestly understand why the BLM movement feels the way they do. I understand why cops are on edge. Bottom line. Comply. The Minnesota shooting is bad but I went back and listened to the video again. The cop is screaming I told him not to reach for his wallet. If I have a gun in my car. I don't do **** until the cop tells me to. If he says stop. You stop. It's just the times.

And the woman said the cop asked him to get his ID. Having been pulled over a few times myself my gut says she's right.

(07-08-2016 08:14 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 11:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Guys I am putting Lazy Tom on ignore and I hope you can join me please do. This guy is a sick twisted pos. He is comparing premeditated murder
with some who are innocent of the crimes they were and yet have not been charged with. DISGUSTING. We all should be above communicating with this POS.

Tom is one of a small group of people that makes substantive contributions to this forum, even if I disagree with him much of the time. He is correct that all of these are in the same context, regardless of whether you want to discuss it at this time.

If all you want to talk about is the race war that the shooter in Dallas and the church shooting in Charleston, SC intended to provoke, perhaps you can track down spankadelphia on racewars.espn.com

Are you even remotely serious with that question?

(07-08-2016 10:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I know. I just wandered over to the other thread too. I spend too much time on here and all it does is depress me. People don't want to come together. People want Hate.

Hate is too big of a burden for me. In times like these I yearn for common ground from my countrymen. I pray I am in the majority still. Reading these posts on here though. You get a warped sense of your country and fellow man.

Been a particularly hellish year, which is saying a lot.

Election years are always tense, and this one is that on steroids with two highly unlikable candidates. Throw in a surge of jihadist BS from Paris to Orlando to Istanbul, a few more high profile "white cop/black victim" stories, the heated sides of Brexit, Chicago looking like Baghdad... this has been one tough year. And with social media, people hear about it non-stop. It's not just AM radio, the evening newspaper and 6 o'clock news anymore. It's wall to wall coverage.

(07-08-2016 10:20 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:04 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Sprinkle in the Bundy types and the Warren's of the world in that open carry black and white video I showed and If you have half a brain you can see where the anger comes from from the BLM crew.

Honest to goodness. Think if the BLM types over took a federal building like the Bundy dipshits did. Do you honestly think the police smokes them out like they did?

I'm conflicted as heck on this but at the end of it. I stand with the guys in blue who are doing their absolute best in troubled times.

Respect Authority
Comply with orders

Both sides have their dipshits that antagonize our policeman.

FWIW, the BLM folks (one was a white girl actually) was screaming obscenities at the cops as they roped off the crime scene. Their "crime"... arresting a young man who fit the description and happened to be wearing a bullet proof vest for some reason.

That behavior is beyond sickening to me. These guys had just lost 5 of their brothers. One looked like he could have cried.

you know who else cried? the son of that black man the police murdered in Louisiana...too many tears IMHO.

kids often cry when they are sexually molested

OK crazy...

It IS crazy for a man to sexually molest a child.

It IS crazy for a child molestor and a convicted felon to have a gun.

It IS crazy for the child molestor/felon with a gun to threaten someone with it.

It is NOT crazy for the child molestor / felon with a gun in his pocket to get his azz shot if he resists arrest after threatening a man with the gun.

(07-08-2016 10:27 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:20 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:07 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:04 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  FWIW, the BLM folks (one was a white girl actually) was screaming obscenities at the cops as they roped off the crime scene. Their "crime"... arresting a young man who fit the description and happened to be wearing a bullet proof vest for some reason.

That behavior is beyond sickening to me. These guys had just lost 5 of their brothers. One looked like he could have cried.

you know who else cried? the son of that black man the police murdered in Louisiana...too many tears IMHO.

kids often cry when they are sexually molested

OK crazy...

It IS crazy for a man to sexually molest a child.

It IS crazy for a child molestor and a convicted felon to have a gun.

It IS crazy for the child molestor/felon with a gun to threaten someone with it.

It is NOT crazy for the child molestor / felon with a gun in his pocket to get his azz shot if he resists arrest after threatening a man with the gun.

he's lost it folks...

(07-08-2016 09:29 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 09:26 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 09:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 09:08 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 09:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I hate waking up to news like this, sad...all actions have equal and opposite reactions...when police indiscriminately kill minorities, minorities will start killing police.

why am I not surprised that you would post some stupid **** like this?

Here are some stats for your ignorance, this posted in another thread.

(07-08-2016 07:33 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  Found this washington post link that shows the amount of people killed by police in 2015. Total number was 990. Obviously, this number won't necessarily be exact, but should be pretty close. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/...shootings/

Breaks it down to age, race, gender, etc.

In 2008, there were approximately 1.1 million police officers in the US. So if we use those numbers, and let's just assume that a different cop performed each kill, that means that only .09% of cops were involved in killing of a civilian in 2015.

If we look at the amount of black people killed in 2015, that means only .02% of cops killed black mean, compared to .05% of white people.

While there are definite injustices performed by police, stats show that less than 1 hundredth of 1 percent of police shot and killed someone in 2015.

So can someone explain to me why some groups want to act as if this is something that only affects black people, and acts as if this is something that goes on all day, every day. Cops that wrongfully shoot and kill someone deserve to be punished to the highest extent of the law, such as the shooting of the man in his car (cop wasn't white btw). However, the moron in Louisiana who already had a length record, and decided to resist arrest while carrying a gun, you can't expect that to end well, and he put himself in a situation to be shot.


Going off these stats, black people are 10 times more likely to be killed by a civilian with a firearm, than a police officer (http://www.nsc.org/learn/safety-knowledg...art.aspx).

Then, if we want to break it down further, in 2008, there was an estimated, 40,000,000 instances of police interaction with civilians (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf). So if we want to look at the percentage of being shot and killed by police in relation to the number of interactions, that percentage is .002%. 2, one thousandths of one percent for the total shooting deaths by police. .0006% of black people. Does anybody even know what comes after the thousandth place in a decimal?
And this isn't even considering that most likely, a large percent of the 990 killed, were likely justified, which makes these percentages even lower.

So at the end of this all, are we really focusing on the right issue by blaming widespread police injustice, or should we be looking past that, and looking at reasons why a man would be so quick to pull his gun on a man who told the police officer he has a CC permit and has a gun on him. Could it possibly be, that out of the 1.1 million police officers in this nation, .09% (this isn't 9%, this is 9 one hundredth of one percent) of those people do not have enough training, or the mental capacity to process a situation fast enough, to be able to handle that situation properly?

quote where I claim any of that you mention...

when police kill people for: selling lose smokes, selling CDs, having a busted taillight, reaching for an ID when asked to provide one, surviving a car wreck, etc...this is what you get.

sad state of affairs.

Sad, but predictable response from you.Your hate is real. You are heartless for those killed and wounded last night. Your attempt to justify what happened last night is sick.

you're just mad and want to lash out at someone...I had nothing to do with what happened in Dallas...I simply think I know why it happened, and it's been building for a while now...and it won't be the last time IMHO.

you forgot the bolded, as you know less than nothing and prove it everytime you post.

(07-08-2016 10:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 08:55 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  claiming that there is a gun problem in this country is like saying the kkk had a rope problem...

At some point, the wisdom of allowing every loon with anger issues unlimited access to high capacity/fast fire weapons must be challenged IMHO.

Where did this young man (probably) get the gun? Was it another legally purchased weapon of mass mayhem?

How many mass shootings does it take?

And how many freedoms do we need to subrogate to a overly broad interpretation of the 2nd Amendment? Going out to a bar? Going to the movies? Protesting? Working as a cop? Being a process server? Going to church? Going to see Batman? Do we want to limit the media because you think its dangerous for them to say certain things or cover certain topics?

As far as I'm concerned, we are neither mature enough nor have enough respect for each other for virtually unlimited and unregulated access to certain firearms.

A young man committed this crime. Who used an easily obtainable instrument of mass killing. Just like in Orlando. And Sandy Hook. And Charleston. And Aurora...And....And...

Sorry if you don't want to hear it.

I haven't heard anything about what type of rifle was used but this is the rifle used by one of the most deadly snipers in US history.

http://loadoutroom.com/7356/carlos-hathc...per-rifle/

Bolt action Winchester hunting rifle caliber 30-06. Gun control isn't going stop or limit incidents like this. Making laws to stop people who have no regard for the law is illogical.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavi...ook-video/

i'm so glad this wasn't isis. just rogue individuals. although, i happen to like the word rogue and they aren't worthy of that. i'm sure they're cool with being called murderers. cowards isn't enough. what difference does it make? though i hope the rest of the blm supporters will resort to idiotic civil disobedience as a last resort instead of copycatting this. but it obviously only takes a few nuts. this hurts their movement. you don't want to be even remotely associated with isis. if the kkk could get isis support, so can blm.

i think a race war is preposterous. just be civil people, and i feel even if we have prejudices we still know how to behave in society. genuine niceness to mankind is probably a pipe dream, but faking it is the least you can do to take advantage of the most 'free' society on earth.

i long for the day when blacks whites native americans illegals etc can remove any boundaries wherein the air is cleared and we can engage in the honest rhetoric necessary for us to evolve as a society to achieve an understanding finally. perhaps then we can be genuinely nice because we are honest with ourselves first and foremost.

being so called colorblind is walking through a fog. but perhaps there is perfect clarity in the fog. maybe that ideal leftist stance isn't so bad afterall if it wasn't so horseshit now.

i feel like this is some sort of universal test. let's see how this plays out. i think white and black folk now will go out of their way to be nice to each other. i probably went out of my way to say hi to some black guy on the street after the trayvon or brown sh!tshows. i probably would have done that already just because i don't give a f*ck who i say hi to, but i made a conscious effort to say hi. and that hi was probably a thinly veiled attempt at saying, hey man, understand that i'm not against you. i'm just a dude like you. but i'm more of a howdy kinda dude.

(07-08-2016 10:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  At some point, the wisdom of allowing every loon with anger issues unlimited access to high capacity/fast fire weapons must be challenged IMHO.

Where did this young man (probably) get the gun? Was it another legally purchased weapon of mass mayhem?

How many mass shootings does it take?

And how many freedoms do we need to subrogate to a overly broad interpretation of the 2nd Amendment? Going out to a bar? Going to the movies? Protesting? Working as a cop? Being a process server? Going to church? Going to see Batman? Do we want to limit the media because you think its dangerous for them to say certain things or cover certain topics?

As far as I'm concerned, we are neither mature enough nor have enough respect for each other for virtually unlimited and unregulated access to certain firearms.

A young man committed this crime. Who used an easily obtainable instrument of mass killing. Just like in Orlando. And Sandy Hook. And Charleston. And Aurora...And....And...

Sorry if you don't want to hear it.

the louder you clamor, louder they will . what does it matter what you think? there's a phrase in some paper that gives 2 f*cks what you think. read it. it's clear as day. now if you want to obtain a firearm legally, do so but you might not be able to. if want to obtain a firearm illegally, who's going to stop you? second amendment or not, if you want a f*cking gun, you can probably get one. so why shouldn't i be allowed to get a gun?