Charleston church shooting victims sue FBI over gun buy
https://www.yahoo.com/news/charleston-ch...26439.html

(07-01-2016 12:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:57 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

Considering how long it took the leftist media to even acknowledge Fast and Furious to begin with expect them to start covering it sometime in the fall of 2017.

seriously dude? you can't see the BS here considering how little traction it got? if this story had any ounce of credibility to it...it would hit the major news cycles.

Yes seriously.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/...-spurious/

From Politico: The "Jackson" is U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson.

Jackson called the House contempt motion "entirely unnecessary" and said it was evident that she was considering the government's motion to lift her prior order. "Under those circumstances, the Court finds no basis to hold defendant in contempt," she wrote.

but putting all of that aside:

you are impervious to reasoning and logic if you can't see why the mainstream media didn't consider it newsworthy. a preliminary step in a contempt citation that was BS anyway is only important to far right partisan hacks.

but nice job proving a 2016 story is legitimate based on a 2012 story about an incident from 2006-2011

So the liberal media didn't think the fact that the US government, through the ATFE, was willfully violating US law and arming Mexican drug cartels? Including weapons that would later be used in a firefight with Border Patrol where Agent Brian Terry was killed? And weapons that would later be found in the possession of Mexico's public enemy #1 Joachim "El CHapo" Guzman?

And obviously you have no problem with that.

However I imagine if this had happened under a Republican administration you (and Redtom, Mach, Lazytom, Fit, etc.) would be having kittens.

(07-01-2016 01:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So the liberal media didn't think the fact that the US government, through the ATFE, was willfully violating US law and arming Mexican drug cartels? Including weapons that would later be used in a firefight with Border Patrol where Agent Brian Terry was killed? And weapons that would later be found in the possession of Mexico's public enemy #1 Joachim "El CHapo" Guzman?

And obviously you have no problem with that.

However I imagine if this had happened under a Republican administration you (and Redtom, Mach, Lazytom, Fit, etc.) would be having kittens.

Any more fallacies you want to peddle?

(07-01-2016 11:38 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

Google it and prove otherwise John! After the conniption fit you had in another discussion about how it was *my* obligation to google something you now just jump in and attack the source.

doesn't work that way.

No shaq, because you're a hypocrite

Fallacies?

The USDOJ, via the ATFE, violated federal law and willfully armed Mexican drug cartels through Operation Fast and Furious. The operation was negligent as a whole but the most negligent fact of all is that a similar operation by the same field office was shut down under the Bush administration because of the concern of not being able to track the weapons and they could end up in the wrong hands. The big difference is the Bush era operation was using embedded electronic tracking devices....Operation Fast and Furious used no such devices and had no control over the weapons once they left the gun dealer. This is all fact, not fallacy.

Guns sold under the auspices of Operation Fast and Furious were used and recovered from the scene of the gun battle between Border Patrol and a Mexican drug cartel where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in the line of duty. This is also a fact, not a fallacy.

Guns sold under the auspices of Operation Fast and Furious were recovered by Mexican authorities after Fuerza de Infantería de Marina forces raided and captured Joachim "El Chapo" Guzman. This is again is a fact, not a fallacy.

(07-01-2016 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 11:38 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

Google it and prove otherwise John! After the conniption fit you had in another discussion about how it was *my* obligation to google something you now just jump in and attack the source.

doesn't work that way.

No shaq, because you're a hypocrite

LOL at your editing out as to my explanation why.

i'm not a hypocrite. I just have integrity which you obviously lack. your very problem is the fact that you fail to see why you were in the wrong on that thread.

(07-01-2016 01:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Fallacies?

The USDOJ, via the ATFE, violated federal law and willfully armed Mexican drug cartels through Operation Fast and Furious. The operation was negligent as a whole but the most negligent fact of all is that a similar operation by the same field office was shut down under the Bush administration because of the concern of not being able to track the weapons and they could end up in the wrong hands. The big difference is the Bush era operation was using embedded electronic tracking devices....Operation Fast and Furious used no such devices and had no control over the weapons once they left the gun dealer. This is all fact, not fallacy.

Guns sold under the auspices of Operation Fast and Furious were used and recovered from the scene of the gun battle between Border Patrol and a Mexican drug cartel where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in the line of duty. This is also a fact, not a fallacy.

Guns sold under the auspices of Operation Fast and Furious were recovered by Mexican authorities after Fuerza de Infantería de Marina forces raided and captured Joachim "El Chapo" Guzman. This is again is a fact, not a fallacy.

Paragraphs 2 and 3 of your post dude.

(07-01-2016 01:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 11:38 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

Google it and prove otherwise John! After the conniption fit you had in another discussion about how it was *my* obligation to google something you now just jump in and attack the source.

doesn't work that way.

No shaq, because you're a hypocrite

LOL at your editing out as to my explanation why.

i'm not a hypocrite. I just have integrity which you obviously lack. your very problem is the fact that you fail to see why you were in the wrong on that thread.

You have integrity?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

(07-01-2016 01:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 11:38 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

Google it and prove otherwise John! After the conniption fit you had in another discussion about how it was *my* obligation to google something you now just jump in and attack the source.

doesn't work that way.

No shaq, because you're a hypocrite

LOL at your editing out as to my explanation why.

i'm not a hypocrite. I just have integrity which you obviously lack. your very problem is the fact that you fail to see why you were in the wrong on that thread.

If you have to proclaim to the world that you have integrity, you dont have integrity.

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

In the tank... Even if Rachel Maddow reported it you guys wouldnt believe it.

(07-01-2016 02:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Fallacies?

The USDOJ, via the ATFE, violated federal law and willfully armed Mexican drug cartels through Operation Fast and Furious. The operation was negligent as a whole but the most negligent fact of all is that a similar operation by the same field office was shut down under the Bush administration because of the concern of not being able to track the weapons and they could end up in the wrong hands. The big difference is the Bush era operation was using embedded electronic tracking devices....Operation Fast and Furious used no such devices and had no control over the weapons once they left the gun dealer. This is all fact, not fallacy.

Guns sold under the auspices of Operation Fast and Furious were used and recovered from the scene of the gun battle between Border Patrol and a Mexican drug cartel where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in the line of duty. This is also a fact, not a fallacy.

Guns sold under the auspices of Operation Fast and Furious were recovered by Mexican authorities after Fuerza de Infantería de Marina forces raided and captured Joachim "El Chapo" Guzman. This is again is a fact, not a fallacy.

Paragraphs 2 and 3 of your post dude.

The posting histories of the people I listed say different. The next time you call out our leftist administration on something will be the first.

(07-01-2016 11:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How about this...lets track every gun sold in the private sales section of a gun show and see how many crimes and suicides they're linked to in a given year.

Seeing as we're all interested in seeing where guns used in crimes are coming from, it makes sense, right?

Hell, let's see if the government can keep up with their own guns first.

(07-01-2016 04:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

In the tank... Even if Rachel Maddow reported it you guys wouldnt believe it.

or maybe you just can't believe there isn't anything of merit to this "story."

(07-01-2016 04:02 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 11:38 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Google it and prove otherwise John! After the conniption fit you had in another discussion about how it was *my* obligation to google something you now just jump in and attack the source.

doesn't work that way.

No shaq, because you're a hypocrite

LOL at your editing out as to my explanation why.

i'm not a hypocrite. I just have integrity which you obviously lack. your very problem is the fact that you fail to see why you were in the wrong on that thread.

You have integrity?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

yep. and I never saw anything to suggest you have any.

(07-01-2016 04:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 11:38 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Google it and prove otherwise John! After the conniption fit you had in another discussion about how it was *my* obligation to google something you now just jump in and attack the source.

doesn't work that way.

No shaq, because you're a hypocrite

LOL at your editing out as to my explanation why.

i'm not a hypocrite. I just have integrity which you obviously lack. your very problem is the fact that you fail to see why you were in the wrong on that thread.

If you have to proclaim to the world that you have integrity, you dont have integrity.

just reminded to BIE as to his shortcomings doesn't constitute "proclaiming to the world."

(07-01-2016 01:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 11:38 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Okay...

how come no credible media outlets have covered this?

the source of this report isn't even a media outlet. it is a conservative watchdog group. it was then copied by almost exclusively partisan websites that don't come close to being mainstream.

Google it and prove otherwise John! After the conniption fit you had in another discussion about how it was *my* obligation to google something you now just jump in and attack the source.

doesn't work that way.

No shaq, because you're a hypocrite

LOL at your editing out as to my explanation why.

i'm not a hypocrite. I just have integrity which you obviously lack. your very problem is the fact that you fail to see why you were in the wrong on that thread.

Maybe cause your explanation didn't fit the facts of that other thread.

Who cares, guns don't kill people.

(07-01-2016 06:38 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Who cares, guns don't kill people.

No, but illegal actions by bureaucrats do.

(07-01-2016 11:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How about this...lets track every gun sold in the private sales section of a gun show and see how many crimes and suicides they're linked to in a given year.

Seeing as we're all interested in seeing where guns used in crimes are coming from, it makes sense, right?

how about this.....track all 3d guns that will be printed by the ones that wish to kill you.....

have fun with that one....