(06-22-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone who needs an ar15 to go hunting should consider another hobby

Anyone who thinks an AR is not excellent for defense and hunting has been spending too much time on the barstool and Whiskey Dicks.

anybody who calls himself a history teacher but keep misquoting the constitution should find another job...

(06-22-2016 01:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone who needs an ar15 to go hunting should consider another hobby

And what do you base this upon? You have much experience with either hunting or AR15's or is this your usual pull something out your ass in a pathetic attempt to be a troll?

That's an interesting take, but valid.

An Ar 15 is just a military looking semi automatic 22cal isnt it? I mean the cal is a much bigger deal than how the gun looks on the outside.

More i think about it the whole what kinda gun thing is dumb. A basic understanding of chemistry and a box of nails is more deadly than any gun

(06-22-2016 02:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  An Ar 15 is just a military looking semi automatic 22cal isnt it? I mean the cal is a much bigger deal than how the gun looks on the outside.

Your facts have no place in this discussion sir! EMOTIONS ARE ALL THAT MATTER!!!!!

We HAVE to do SOMETHING!!!!!

(06-22-2016 02:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  An Ar 15 is just a military looking semi automatic 22cal isnt it? I mean the cal is a much bigger deal than how the gun looks on the outside.

More i think about it the whole what kinda gun thing is dumb. A basic understanding of chemistry and a box of nails is more deadly than any gun

Pretty much. It's more powerful than a .22LR by a lot, but it's still just a .22 caliber bullet.

It's pretty much a case of the fact that the gun looks "scary".

I absolutely love hearing uninformed opinions from bleeding heart liberals who know NOTHING about firearms, and probably first heard about AR-15's from the news over the past several years. They probably think it's an automatic weapon, too. They also probably think "AR" stands for "Assault Rifle".

Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Semi-automatics are demonstrably effective in mowing down elementary school kids, movie goers, and patrons in a LGBT club.

And to hand them out, with few - if any questions asked, to all requestors is stupid. And dangerous.

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Semi-automatics are demonstrably effective in mowing down elementary school kids, movie goers, and patrons in a LGBT club.

And to hand them out, with few - if any questions asked, to all requestors is stupid. And dangerous.

hyperbole much?

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Semi-automatics are demonstrably effective in mowing down elementary school kids, movie goers, and patrons in a LGBT club.

And to hand them out, with few - if any questions asked, to all requestors is stupid. And dangerous.

hunting rifles are semi-automatic...

just stop, please just stop... you are making yourself look more of an idiot.

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

(06-22-2016 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

shhhh... dont ask him that, he might get PTSD!

(06-22-2016 02:56 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

shhhh... dont ask him that, he might get PTSD!

I wish I could remember where I saw it but I saw a meme last night of Kuntzman that said "I farted in a portajon so now I know what Auschwitz was like"

(06-22-2016 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

LOL. One of the other posters on this board shot his first deer on MY PROPERTY (Well it was mine till I sold it last year). I grew up hunting (although not on my property - its was a long way from where I lived). At least 4x per year. I don't hunt now but I don't see most types of hunting as being something evil. I'll probably go hunting this year (my uncle just bought a hunting camp so I'll probably be heading up there in December).

Our house was attacked when I was a child. Basically some loon didn't like my father's law practice. The solution my father had was ... 'call the police', collect the family on the second floor and use a buckshot filled low guage shotgun if someone tried to storm up the stairs (Ain't no one getting up those stairs). My father did some civil rights work so there was always that danger. We had a plan in place for it. In the aftermath, my father and mother were also concerned with the neighbors overreacting and hurting themselves. We were glad for the support, but some of them seemed to be a bit too gung ho in their opinion.

Look, if you think that you need a AR 15, then you should have a DAMN good reason.

Part of my issue with the NRA and guns is that I'm used to using them and being around them. Using an AR 15 to hunt is kind of douchy. Kind of like hunting in a seeded field (yea, I know that lots do it) or a stocked field.

(06-22-2016 03:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

LOL. One of the other posters on this board shot his first deer on MY PROPERTY (Well it was mine till I sold it last year). I grew up hunting (although not on my property - its was a long way from where I lived). At least 4x per year. I don't hunt now but I don't see most types of hunting as being something evil. I'll probably go hunting this year (my uncle just bought a hunting camp so I'll probably be heading up there in December).

Our house was attacked when I was a child. Basically some loon didn't like my father's law practice. The solution my father had was ... 'call the police', collect the family on the second floor and use a buckshot filled low guage shotgun if someone tried to storm up the stairs (Ain't no one getting up those stairs). My father did some civil rights work so there was always that danger. We had a plan in place for it. In the aftermath, my father and mother were also concerned with the neighbors overreacting and hurting themselves. We were glad for the support, but some of them seemed to be a bit too gung ho in their opinion.

Look, if you think that you need a AR 15, then you should have a DAMN good reason.

Part of my issue with the NRA and guns is that I'm used to using them and being around them. Using an AR 15 to hunt is kind of douchy. Kind of like hunting in a seeded field (yea, I know that lots do it) or a stocked field.

I do, the 2nd Amendment...

(06-22-2016 03:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

LOL. One of the other posters on this board shot his first deer on MY PROPERTY (Well it was mine till I sold it last year). I grew up hunting (although not on my property - its was a long way from where I lived). At least 4x per year. I don't hunt now but I don't see most types of hunting as being something evil. I'll probably go hunting this year (my uncle just bought a hunting camp so I'll probably be heading up there in December).

Our house was attacked when I was a child. Basically some loon didn't like my father's law practice. The solution my father had was ... 'call the police', collect the family on the second floor and use a buckshot filled low guage shotgun if someone tried to storm up the stairs. My father did some civil rights work so there was always that danger. We had a plan in place for it. In the aftermath, my father and mother were also concerned with the neighbors overreacting and hurting themselves. We were glad for the support, but some of them seemed to be a bit too gung ho in their opinion.

So no coyote or hog hunting? You personally have never had to defend yourself?

Got it. Typical internet expert with little to no experience.



While I personally choose my 12 ga pump shotgun cut down to just a red pubic hair beyond the minimum with high brass #4 shot as my home defense long gun it bears pointing out that I'm 6' 235lbs and have shot all kinds of guns all of my life. I can handle it. My wife, however, is 5' and around 115lbs and a 12 ga shotgun kicks her ass with lowbrass #8 birdshot so that's not an option for her. She can, however, handle an AR platform in 5.56mm/.223 pretty handily, and I would hate to be down range because she'll dot your eye with ease. The first time she ever laid her hands on one she was hitting the 10 ring in minutes. She now wants one bad and we'll probably end up getting one. That's fine because between adding a grip on the rail and the adjustable slide stock it will be one gun that both of us can use.

I've done a ton of both academic and practical research on the subject and I can definitely say that the statement you made about hunting and self-defense is only your opinion and isn't based on anything factual other than that....YOUR feelings.

(06-22-2016 03:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 03:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

LOL. One of the other posters on this board shot his first deer on MY PROPERTY (Well it was mine till I sold it last year). I grew up hunting (although not on my property - its was a long way from where I lived). At least 4x per year. I don't hunt now but I don't see most types of hunting as being something evil. I'll probably go hunting this year (my uncle just bought a hunting camp so I'll probably be heading up there in December).

Our house was attacked when I was a child. Basically some loon didn't like my father's law practice. The solution my father had was ... 'call the police', collect the family on the second floor and use a buckshot filled low guage shotgun if someone tried to storm up the stairs. My father did some civil rights work so there was always that danger. We had a plan in place for it. In the aftermath, my father and mother were also concerned with the neighbors overreacting and hurting themselves. We were glad for the support, but some of them seemed to be a bit too gung ho in their opinion.

So no coyote or hog hunting? You personally have never had to defend yourself?

Got it. Typical internet expert with little to no experience.



While I personally choose my 12 ga pump shotgun cut down to just a red pubic hair beyond the minimum with high brass #4 shot as my home defense long gun it bears pointing out that I'm 6' 235lbs and have shot all kinds of guns all of my life. I can handle it. My wife, however, is 5' and around 115lbs and a 12 ga shotgun kicks her ass with lowbrass #8 birdshot so that's not an option for her. She can, however, handle an AR platform in 5.56mm/.223 pretty handily, and I would hate to be down range because she'll dot your eye with ease. The first time she ever laid her hands on one she was hitting the 10 ring in minutes. She now wants one bad and we'll probably end up getting one. That's fine because between adding a grip on the rail and the adjustable slide stock it will be one gun that both of us can use.

I've done a ton of both academic and practical research on the subject and I can definitely say that the statement you made about hunting and self-defense is only your opinion and isn't based on anything factual other than that....YOUR feelings.

Coyote hunting? No. Hog hunting? No, but buckshot usually send them on their way.

The issue of kick is a real one for low guage guns. My mother (she was barely 5 feet tall) had to have me press on her back for support when she opened both barrels into an alligator (No my mom didn't hunt Gators - one appeared at a swimming hole next to our home). But seriously, a semi automatic isn't the answer. There are firearms that don't kick.

Besides, there CAN be strict licensing and record keeping rules that can be put in place if someone LEGITIMATELY needs a semi automatic for agricultural clearance (including a prohibition on taking that firearm off their property). But someone who 'just wants one'? No thanks.

And lets be clear....people who aren't strong enough to hold up a low guage aren't the typical semi automatic buyer.

(06-22-2016 03:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, I'm sorry. I don't see a semi automatic as a hunting rifle. Its not sport. Its also really a poor personal defense choice.

Do you have much hunting and/or personal defense experience?

LOL. One of the other posters on this board shot his first deer on MY PROPERTY (Well it was mine till I sold it last year). I grew up hunting (although not on my property - its was a long way from where I lived). At least 4x per year. I don't hunt now but I don't see most types of hunting as being something evil. I'll probably go hunting this year (my uncle just bought a hunting camp so I'll probably be heading up there in December).

Our house was attacked when I was a child. Basically some loon didn't like my father's law practice. The solution my father had was ... 'call the police', collect the family on the second floor and use a buckshot filled low guage shotgun if someone tried to storm up the stairs (Ain't no one getting up those stairs). My father did some civil rights work so there was always that danger. We had a plan in place for it. In the aftermath, my father and mother were also concerned with the neighbors overreacting and hurting themselves. We were glad for the support, but some of them seemed to be a bit too gung ho in their opinion.

Look, if you think that you need a AR 15, then you should have a DAMN good reason.

Part of my issue with the NRA and guns is that I'm used to using them and being around them. Using an AR 15 to hunt is kind of douchy. Kind of like hunting in a seeded field (yea, I know that lots do it) or a stocked field.

We should outlaw douchy stuff excluding actual douches of course.

This gun is more effective than an ar15 but doesnt look scary. Id trade an ar15 in a heartbeat for one. Maybe a new govt program. Turn in your ar15 for an m1 garand

I like it

Tom, you still have absolutely no idea what semi automatic means.