(06-15-2016 03:40 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 07:23 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 06:12 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 05:41 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Texas, TT, Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the PAC.
Kansas & Iowa State to the B1G.
TCU & WV to the SEC.
ND & Cincinnati to the ACC.

PAC
Stanford, Cal, Washington, Wash St

USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St

Oregon, Oregon St, Colorado, Utah

Texas, Oklahoma, TT, Oklahoma St

B1G
Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas

Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, NW

Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Michigan, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue

SEC
A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, TCU

LSU, Miss, Miss St, Kentucky

Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy

Florida, Georgia, SC, WV

ACC
ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC

FSU, Clemson, NC State, WF

Miami, VT, Louisville, Cincinnati

GT, NC, Duke, Virginia

I would like this as a fan(because I am an ISU & Iowa fan) but I doubt it happens. The PAC 12 would be the biggest winner in expansion, the ACC next with adding ND and the SEC & B1G would be getting marginal brands or less as additions. If its survival of the fittest expect the B1G & SEC to get the best brands.

Plus, under your expansion scenario two of the biggest expansion prizes would have to play a lot of their games on west coast in possible PST time slots. They won't relegate themselves to that. They also would lose their political power because their region would be under represented, the west coast agenda's would trump the Texas/Oklahoma interests always and the PAC 12 does not offer a big enough prize for Texas & OU to do that. I think a full Big 12/PAC 12 merger where each league brings 8 or 9 teams to make 16-18 is more realistic. Also, I think a rule that said no CST teams started a game on the west coast after 7 or 7:30 p.m. CST might help a little.

My example is probably not happening either but if we wanted 72 teams as the final number with 4 equal leagues competition wise, I felt it would provide that.

If any of this was easy then it would be done already. I think that it is far more likely that we will have the status quo for about a decade.

Would the PAC schools be better off being absorbed into the B1G & the Big 12?

Arizona, Arizona St, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Colorado & BYU to the Big 12.

USC, UCLA, Stanford & Cal to the B1G.

ND & WV to the ACC.

This would put the Big 12 & B1G would be at 18 with the ACC at 16. The SEC would still be strong & with an advantage of splitting the CFP $ fewer ways. What would the SEC do, align with the ACC or raid it?

There is too much brand value wrapped up the PAC name itself for the bold to happen.

There is a lot of brand value in the PAC but they haven't been able to turn it into enough $$$ yet. They would make a lot more $$$ off of the B1GN alone for instance. How much value does the PACN have even if they sell a piece to ESPN or FOX? I'm not saying that the PAC is going anywhere, just merely posing a question. Thus far they haven't been able to lure any major brands west & they haven't seen enough value in Oklahoma.

(06-14-2016 03:11 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  The ISU attendance is Iowa's football attendance in 2015 which ironically even though they went undefeated was a low year at 66K because fans were disappointed with Iowa's mediocre results the previous 5 yrs. and a very weak home schedule, they normally get 70K(70.5 capacity I believe).

ISU was closer to 55K which was not bad for a football team that only won 3 games. Basketball for ISU is over 14K, although that probably doesn't tend to matter.

As for brand in the state of Iowa, Iowa still leads but that gap has narrowed the last 10 years, probably 60/40 split. Also, ISU has increased the enrollment to to about 29K/36K with post grad to Iowa's 22.5K and the margin is growing. Iowa was always larger until the last 5 years and from what I understand the ISU surplus is increasing. So ISU may be able to get it closer to a 50/50 mix in the future.

Speaking of ISU, I don't think they'd be a bad addition to the SEC. It would be a little odd to move so far away from the core of the conference, but the SEC started stretching into the Heartland with taking Missouri. We certainly covet Oklahoma as well.

Especially if ISU keeps growing like you say then it might be a nice addition.

(06-15-2016 02:34 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 03:11 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  The ISU attendance is Iowa's football attendance in 2015 which ironically even though they went undefeated was a low year at 66K because fans were disappointed with Iowa's mediocre results the previous 5 yrs. and a very weak home schedule, they normally get 70K(70.5 capacity I believe).

ISU was closer to 55K which was not bad for a football team that only won 3 games. Basketball for ISU is over 14K, although that probably doesn't tend to matter.

As for brand in the state of Iowa, Iowa still leads but that gap has narrowed the last 10 years, probably 60/40 split. Also, ISU has increased the enrollment to to about 29K/36K with post grad to Iowa's 22.5K and the margin is growing. Iowa was always larger until the last 5 years and from what I understand the ISU surplus is increasing. So ISU may be able to get it closer to a 50/50 mix in the future.

Speaking of ISU, I don't think they'd be a bad addition to the SEC. It would be a little odd to move so far away from the core of the conference, but the SEC started stretching into the Heartland with taking Missouri. We certainly covet Oklahoma as well.

Especially if ISU keeps growing like you say then it might be a nice addition.

Well then just throw in Kansas and either West Virginia or Oklahoma State and take us to 18.

Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma, & W.V.U. / OSU.

Then Texas could head to the ACC with Texas Tech, and Baylor and T.C.U. and we have a done deal.

ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Concur. I at least have hope that with either time or a move west Mizzou will form the connective tissue that makes the SEC great. ISU has no chance of accomplishing that. No one is making road trip from the heat of Dixie to Ames, IA

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

Based on my analysis 1) FSU and Texas 2) FSU/Ok or Texas/OK 3) FSU/OK/Texas and NC State 4) Virginia and one of the above 5) Virginia Tech/north Carolina school and one of above.

But you clearly value culture and I'm not sure there is a good way to objectively measure that. Clemson is definitely more SEC like than any other school but how do you prove that other than the categories I evaluated? Even common opponents in history doesn't work because then you get Georgia Tech and Tulane type schools.

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

I'd love for the Southern ACC schools to come aboard, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.

OU and UT seem like a possibility, but those aren't really close trips either.

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

My bad!

(06-15-2016 11:10 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

Based on my analysis 1) FSU and Texas 2) FSU/Ok or Texas/OK 3) FSU/OK/Texas and NC State 4) Virginia and one of the above 5) Virginia Tech/north Carolina school and one of above.

But you clearly value culture and I'm not sure there is a good way to objectively measure that. Clemson is definitely more SEC like than any other school but how do you prove that other than the categories I evaluated? Even common opponents in history doesn't work because then you get Georgia Tech and Tulane type schools.

Well, both Georgia Tech and Tulane were members of the SEC for a long time until they both departed in the mid 60's. Boy did they screw up!

(06-16-2016 11:57 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 11:10 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

Based on my analysis 1) FSU and Texas 2) FSU/Ok or Texas/OK 3) FSU/OK/Texas and NC State 4) Virginia and one of the above 5) Virginia Tech/north Carolina school and one of above.

But you clearly value culture and I'm not sure there is a good way to objectively measure that. Clemson is definitely more SEC like than any other school but how do you prove that other than the categories I evaluated? Even common opponents in history doesn't work because then you get Georgia Tech and Tulane type schools.

Well, both Georgia Tech and Tulane were members of the SEC for a long time until they both departed in the mid 60's. Boy did they screw up!

So what is a good way to measure "cultural fit?" is it just southern, football first schools in relatively rural locations (excepting Vandy) with rabid fan bases? What makes Missouri an odd fit versus say Vanderbilt? What is it that ties the SEC together? Why do we say schools like FSU/Clemson/Oklahoma/VTech are all "SEC-like" while schools like Kansas/ISU are an outlier?

(06-16-2016 11:57 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 11:10 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

Based on my analysis 1) FSU and Texas 2) FSU/Ok or Texas/OK 3) FSU/OK/Texas and NC State 4) Virginia and one of the above 5) Virginia Tech/north Carolina school and one of above.

But you clearly value culture and I'm not sure there is a good way to objectively measure that. Clemson is definitely more SEC like than any other school but how do you prove that other than the categories I evaluated? Even common opponents in history doesn't work because then you get Georgia Tech and Tulane type schools.

Well, both Georgia Tech and Tulane were members of the SEC for a long time until they both departed in the mid 60's. Boy did they screw up!

So what is a good way to measure "cultural fit?" is it just southern, football first schools in relatively rural locations (excepting Vandy) with rabid fan bases? What makes Missouri an odd fit versus say Vanderbilt? What is it that ties the SEC together? Why do we say schools like FSU/Clemson/Oklahoma/VTech are all "SEC-like" while schools like Kansas/ISU are an outlier?

(06-16-2016 03:19 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 11:57 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 11:10 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  ISU would be a total cultural outlier. I don't like the addition personally.

Mizzou is already having some trouble being fully integrated and I lay most of the blame for that on being a cultural outlier.

Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

Based on my analysis 1) FSU and Texas 2) FSU/Ok or Texas/OK 3) FSU/OK/Texas and NC State 4) Virginia and one of the above 5) Virginia Tech/north Carolina school and one of above.

But you clearly value culture and I'm not sure there is a good way to objectively measure that. Clemson is definitely more SEC like than any other school but how do you prove that other than the categories I evaluated? Even common opponents in history doesn't work because then you get Georgia Tech and Tulane type schools.

Well, both Georgia Tech and Tulane were members of the SEC for a long time until they both departed in the mid 60's. Boy did they screw up!

So what is a good way to measure "cultural fit?" is it just southern, football first schools in relatively rural locations (excepting Vandy) with rabid fan bases? What makes Missouri an odd fit versus say Vanderbilt? What is it that ties the SEC together? Why do we say schools like FSU/Clemson/Oklahoma/VTech are all "SEC-like" while schools like Kansas/ISU are an outlier?

Well you might not be Southern if:

sweet tea is not available at local restaurants

if you mistake grits for cream of wheat

if you say pop instead of coke

if fried chicken is considered ethnic

if you pretend that you have no racism in your history and profess it has never been a problem for you (see Boston & Pontiac & Los Angeles)

if you have no concept of certain contractions like "wim'me" "will'ya" & "moma'n'em"

if you have no personal vignettes relating to Bear, Shug, Vince, Charlie Mac, Dougy D., Johnny V, Bobby D, Poppa B, the Great Pumpkin, the 'Ole Ball Coach, or the General

if your band wears feathers atop their band caps and you don't have majorettes that make you drool

if you don't have barbecue, low country boils, seafood etouffee, fried chicken, fried catfish, or fried okra at your tailgate

if you don't understand the desire to kick someone's ass as you're yelling SEC, SEC, SEC

if you've never hunted, gone deep sea fishing, listened to football at dove shoots, or consumed moonshine at a wedding reception

if you don't understand that church culture has nothing to do with God

if you have 3 more major cities than you have state capitols

or if father's day is confusing

and finally you are definitely regionally conflicted if basketball comes first

(06-16-2016 04:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  if fried chicken is considered ethnic

I don't trust anyone who doesn't like fried chicken.

(06-16-2016 09:33 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 04:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  if fried chicken is considered ethnic

I don't trust anyone who doesn't like fried chicken.

And I don't trust anyone who doesn't know how to put a good scald on one. If the skin is slimy you aren't Southern!

Identifying Southerness is like identifying pornography. You'll know it when you see it.

KU would not be a good cultural fit for the SEC. Aside from geographic and historic differences, we'd probably spend too much time arguing how our BBQ is better than Tennessee, North Carolina, and Texas BBQ (although those arguments may in the end become bonding moments) and wondering why all the SEC schools are so interested in playing that sport with the funny-shaped ball.

(06-17-2016 12:53 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  KU would not be a good cultural fit for the SEC. Aside from geographic and historic differences, we'd probably spend too much time arguing how our BBQ is better than Tennessee, North Carolina, and Texas BBQ (although those arguments may in the end become bonding moments) and wondering why all the SEC schools are so interested in playing that sport with the funny-shaped ball.

I'm not particularly discriminatory when it comes to BBQ. It's all pretty good. Although being from Alabama, I do have an affinity for smoked chicken and white BBQ sauce.

(06-17-2016 02:28 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 12:53 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  KU would not be a good cultural fit for the SEC. Aside from geographic and historic differences, we'd probably spend too much time arguing how our BBQ is better than Tennessee, North Carolina, and Texas BBQ (although those arguments may in the end become bonding moments) and wondering why all the SEC schools are so interested in playing that sport with the funny-shaped ball.

I'm not particularly discriminatory when it comes to BBQ. It's all pretty good. Although being from Alabama, I do have an affinity for smoked chicken and white BBQ sauce.

I think the old quote about pizza and sex ("Even when it's bad, it's still pretty good") applies to most BBQ.

(06-16-2016 04:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 03:19 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 11:57 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 11:10 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 08:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Sorry! I didn't put up the sarcasm warning sign! I'm not hot on Kansas either, or West Virginia. I do think ISU is a very fine program with good fans, but they don't fit and won't blend with the SEC. And nothing is as antithetical to the SEC as a Jayhawk. No offense to JayhawkMVP who is a heckuva fine poster.

My preferences remains: 1. Florida State & Clemson 2. Florida State and Oklahoma 3. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State 4. Oklahoma and Texas 5. Oklahoma and Virginia Tech 6. Virginia Tech & a North Carolina School not named Wake Forest.

If we go to 18 some combination of the above.

I'm a crotchety old coot who loves playing the neighbors, misses Georgia Tech on Auburn's schedule, and would prefer additions within a reasonable driving distance. Piss on flying into Pittsburgh to drive to Morgantown!

Based on my analysis 1) FSU and Texas 2) FSU/Ok or Texas/OK 3) FSU/OK/Texas and NC State 4) Virginia and one of the above 5) Virginia Tech/north Carolina school and one of above.

But you clearly value culture and I'm not sure there is a good way to objectively measure that. Clemson is definitely more SEC like than any other school but how do you prove that other than the categories I evaluated? Even common opponents in history doesn't work because then you get Georgia Tech and Tulane type schools.

Well, both Georgia Tech and Tulane were members of the SEC for a long time until they both departed in the mid 60's. Boy did they screw up!

So what is a good way to measure "cultural fit?" is it just southern, football first schools in relatively rural locations (excepting Vandy) with rabid fan bases? What makes Missouri an odd fit versus say Vanderbilt? What is it that ties the SEC together? Why do we say schools like FSU/Clemson/Oklahoma/VTech are all "SEC-like" while schools like Kansas/ISU are an outlier?

Well you might not be Southern if:

sweet tea is not available at local restaurants

if you mistake grits for cream of wheat

if you say pop instead of coke

if fried chicken is considered ethnic

if you pretend that you have no racism in your history and profess it has never been a problem for you (see Boston & Pontiac & Los Angeles)

if you have no concept of certain contractions like "wim'me" "will'ya" & "moma'n'em"

if you have no personal vignettes relating to Bear, Shug, Vince, Charlie Mac, Dougy D., Johnny V, Bobby D, Poppa B, the Great Pumpkin, the 'Ole Ball Coach, or the General

if your band wears feathers atop their band caps and you don't have majorettes that make you drool

if you don't have barbecue, low country boils, seafood etouffee, fried chicken, fried catfish, or fried okra at your tailgate

if you don't understand the desire to kick someone's ass as you're yelling SEC, SEC, SEC

if you've never hunted, gone deep sea fishing, listened to football at dove shoots, or consumed moonshine at a wedding reception

if you don't understand that church culture has nothing to do with God

if you have 3 more major cities than you have state capitols

or if father's day is confusing

and finally you are definitely regionally conflicted if basketball comes first

"if you don't understand the desire to kick someone's ass as you're yelling SEC, SEC, SEC"..........

This is exactly why Carolina will never join the SEC!