Everyone agrees the Coda is just that, dead on arrival. Its just a matter of time before the last shovel of dirt is thrown on top but all is not bleak, there is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel for several schools whenever they are ready to make the commitment.

Forget about rearranging, moving this team to here or there or kicking some out or whatever. Most of that is nonsense and will result in a similar situation UNLESS there are some bold moves in the direction of a strong combination that can attract national attention.

There will be some moves in Cusa after the Big 12 starts the ball rolling but those will make no difference to the need of those left in Cusa to improve their lot. I am going to outline some of the things I am hearing but that has been kept very much under wrap.

Organize a conference based on certain goals or levels that must be met prior to its official kickoff at the beginning of the 2020 school year. EACH AND EVERY school will be allowed to strive for admission, doesnt make any difference as to their present affiliation therefore no one can complain about not having the opportunity.

First, everyone should be on the same page and be speaking the same language when referring to attendance at athletic events. Full time undergraduates defined as those enrolled in at least 9 semester hours or 12 quarter hours must be charged a student athletic fee of at least $400 per academic year. They should be issued season tickets as they now qualify as paid season ticket holders therefore can be counted in PAID attendance along with others buying tickets. Seats and tickets shall be numbered and tickets electronically scanned at the gate. Paid attendance in footballl must have averaged 25,000 per game, 2500 baseball, and 4500 mens basketball before a school is admitted. Teams falling below those averages for two consecutive years, after initial admittance, would be required to withdraw.

Football stadium must seat at least 32,500 followed by a basketball arena of at least 7,000 and baseball field of at least 3500. These are somewhat higher than the expected average attendance b ut needed in order to host championship events. Schools utilizing off campus facilities as home must have on campus facilities by 2022.

Championship events will be rotated on a round robin basis to each school facility or else an alternate venue in their home city.

A visiting school in football will be required to purchase at least 4,000 tickets IF the schools are within a 250 mi radius.

Strongly supported schools like this might get the league on track, anything else will be delegated to the delete folder. Let the women come along as they can.

It only takes eight, who wants to take the ride? Charlotte, get on the ball and build it. ODU expand the size of your stadium now. UTSA go for it. Tech, end zone bleachers shouldnt be too much. Main thing is the fans, gotta have them or else.

We will never average 2,500 in baseball.

But I would love to be in a smaller conference based on quality.

Man, summer boredom has really hit us all hasn't it? How many threads are we going to have here about changing conferences...

Hell, under this plan FIU would have the highest attendance in the conference. Around 40k undergrads now all considered toward paid attendance. I guess they wouldn't be able to sell any other tickets though because that way outstrips capacity.

Good luck on the baseball front. Only 27 teams averaged 2,500 or more this season and only 4 are not already in a P5 conference. The 10th best drawing non-P5 averaged 1,512 fans. There are 4 SEC teams that wouldn't meet your requirement and they, by far, have the best conference attendance in the nation.

Is there any school in conference that meets all of the criteria currently? I don't think so.

While your numbers, in some areas, are unrealistic, the basic premise isn't bad. I would say 20,000 for football, 4,000 for basketball, and 1,000 for baseball to start. You can always have an increasing goal, or offsets. For example, if you average 28,000 in football you only need 800 in baseball. You have to realize geographical and varied interest by regions. When you guys are drawing 2,500 to a baseball game in the early season, we still potentially have snow on the ground, or it's 40 degrees out. You're not going to get 2,500 watching a baseball game when it's 40 with a cold wind blowing up the river. Spring Fever doesn't hit here till mid-April.

Oh, and the 4,000 visiting ticket thing is goofy. That's just swapping money back and forth. We send you a check for the 4,000 then the following year you send us a check for the 4,000, no net effect.

I don't see schools pouring 100's of millions into facilities to enter a new G5 with no auto bids that isn't part of the CFP agreement. If your looking to create a new conference, you'd simply assemble the best 8-12 football programs so you have an interesting competitive TV product with the best chance to win an access bowl slot. That cant realistically be done until the current CFP agreement ends. The best that could be done now is reorganize with the SB into regional east/west leagues-----or just keep the current league configurations and use divisions for non-revenue sports to reduce travel costs as much as possible. If you reorganize, it would have to be a cooperative effort with both conferences agreeing to waive all entry/exit fees---so a super-majority in both leagues would have to agree with it. I don't know how likely that would be.

Once the CFP comes up for renewal, then 6 schools from CUSA or 6 schools from the Sunbelt will be able to use the continuity rule (6 teams playing sports together for the last consecutive 8 years can start a new conference and immediately be granted NCAA autobids with no waiting period) to create a new conference that would have autobids and be part of the next CFP agreement.

Bye Felicia.

(06-14-2016 02:23 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  We will never average 2,500 in baseball.

But I would love to be in a smaller conference based on quality.

My bad. Meant to put 1500.

(06-14-2016 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Is there any school in conference that meets all of the criteria currently? I don't think so.

USM.

(06-14-2016 03:20 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Hell, under this plan FIU would have the highest attendance in the conference. Around 40k undergrads now all considered toward paid attendance. I guess they wouldn't be able to sell any other tickets though because that way outstrips capacity.

Paid attendance under the plan means paid butts in the seats, not the number of full time students. Yes, they could charge student fees and have 40k season tickets sold. However, it only counts for attendance IF they attend the games. I would love to have a team in the league that draws 40k students plus others, would look real good on the tube and prove to viewing audience that there is interest in the team.

(06-14-2016 02:03 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Everyone agrees the Coda is just that, dead on arrival. Its just a matter of time before the last shovel of dirt is thrown on top but all is not bleak, there is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel for several schools whenever they are ready to make the commitment.

Forget about rearranging, moving this team to here or there or kicking some out or whatever. Most of that is nonsense and will result in a similar situation UNLESS there are some bold moves in the direction of a strong combination that can attract national attention.

There will be some moves in Cusa after the Big 12 starts the ball rolling but those will make no difference to the need of those left in Cusa to improve their lot. I am going to outline some of the things I am hearing but that has been kept very much under wrap.

Organize a conference based on certain goals or levels that must be met prior to its official kickoff at the beginning of the 2020 school year. EACH AND EVERY school will be allowed to strive for admission, doesnt make any difference as to their present affiliation therefore no one can complain about not having the opportunity.

First, everyone should be on the same page and be speaking the same language when referring to attendance at athletic events. Full time undergraduates defined as those enrolled in at least 9 semester hours or 12 quarter hours must be charged a student athletic fee of at least $400 per academic year. They should be issued season tickets as they now qualify as paid season ticket holders therefore can be counted in PAID attendance along with others buying tickets. Seats and tickets shall be numbered and tickets electronically scanned at the gate. Paid attendance in footballl must have averaged 25,000 per game, 2500 baseball, and 4500 mens basketball before a school is admitted. Teams falling below those averages for two consecutive years, after initial admittance, would be required to withdraw.

Football stadium must seat at least 32,500 followed by a basketball arena of at least 7,000 and baseball field of at least 3500. These are somewhat higher than the expected average attendance b ut needed in order to host championship events. Schools utilizing off campus facilities as home must have on campus facilities by 2022.

Championship events will be rotated on a round robin basis to each school facility or else an alternate venue in their home city.

A visiting school in football will be required to purchase at least 4,000 tickets IF the schools are within a 250 mi radius.

Strongly supported schools like this might get the league on track, anything else will be delegated to the delete folder. Let the women come along as they can.

It only takes eight, who wants to take the ride? Charlotte, get on the ball and build it. ODU expand the size of your stadium now. UTSA go for it. Tech, end zone bleachers shouldnt be too much. Main thing is the fans, gotta have them or else.

Don't know what you are smoking, but my drug addict brother in law wants some of it.

You can't get any crazier than EE.

(06-14-2016 03:29 PM)banker Wrote:  Oh, and the 4,000 visiting ticket thing is goofy. That's just swapping money back and forth. We send you a check for the 4,000 then the following year you send us a check for the 4,000, no net effect.

Right now, for example, lets say a nearby school brings 1000 fans to your stadium and on the return trip you take 3000. Each school charges $30 per ticket. The other school is sticking it in your gut because you spent 90,000 at their ticket booth and they spent only 30,000 at yours. 4000 is not an unrealistic figure for a school that is serious about their program and this mandate would balance the books, they help you out as well as you helping them. Right now schools with puny fan bases feast off the others.

(06-14-2016 04:17 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 03:20 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Hell, under this plan FIU would have the highest attendance in the conference. Around 40k undergrads now all considered toward paid attendance. I guess they wouldn't be able to sell any other tickets though because that way outstrips capacity.

Paid attendance under the plan means paid butts in the seats, not the number of full time students. Yes, they could charge student fees and have 40k season tickets sold. However, it only counts for attendance IF they attend the games. I would love to have a team in the league that draws 40k students plus others, would look real good on the tube and prove to viewing audience that there is interest in the team.

So how do you know how many season tickets you have to sell if you're allocating that many to students

(06-14-2016 04:16 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Is there any school in conference that meets all of the criteria currently? I don't think so.

USM.

Sorry, USM would have got the boot for lack of basketball attendance.

(06-14-2016 05:43 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 04:16 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Is there any school in conference that meets all of the criteria currently? I don't think so.

USM.

Sorry, USM would have got the boot for lack of basketball attendance.

He just said you have to have an arena with at least 7k. Reed Green Coliseum seats 8,095.

(06-14-2016 05:44 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 05:43 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 04:16 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 03:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Is there any school in conference that meets all of the criteria currently? I don't think so.

USM.

Sorry, USM would have got the boot for lack of basketball attendance.

He just said you have to have an arena with at least 7k. Reed Green Coliseum seats 8,095.

And average over 4500 without dropping below that for two years. Hit the bricks kid.