People should consider that with the addition of either OU or UT that the Big 10 or SEC would easily be making 10 million more a year than either of them for television rights. The LHN can be absorbed easily by any 14 member conference who is adding two new schools. The 15 schools that are not Texas simply forgo 1/2 million of their bump per year for 15 years. When that comes out of an annual payout around 45 to 50 million per year they won't miss it. Then the new conference home easily matches that 7.5 million per year out of their share of the revenues and it is done.

Therefore the hidden possibility here is that Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and possibly West Virginia already know where they are headed and who of their present conference mates may be going with them.

They've all known for almost 6 years that it was going to eventually come to this. I guarantee you the options for each have been on the table for some time now.

Why would they do this? The big brands would do it because of the extra money they could be earning but are missing out on by staying the course. Texas less so of course than OU & Kansas. But then the second reason would probably interest Texas. The little brother schools will all be losers if they wait until the GOR expires. Why? They lose their leverage. If Texas or any other brand wants to help land a spot for other in state public schools then the longer they wait to make a move the less likely they are to be able to help those fellow state schools. So the impetus here is for both the brands, and the lesser brands, to see the wisdom in an orderly and brokered departure now.

So this may well be a pre-rehearsed drama that is about to unfold where the only ones who don't know the outcome are those of us in the audience. We'll see.

Also the Florida A.D. made some interesting statements this afternoon. When asked about future additions he stated that the SEC was quite happy at 14 and not planning on additions. He then went on to say, but should another major conference suffer a break up of course we would be interested in any of those schools who coincided with the SEC's plans for the future. Does this mean anything? No. But it is an odd comment to come out of a Conference meeting.

Baylor had an impact. With Baylor at full strength, the Big 12 could make expansion decisions based on conference network criteria.

Who knows how the Baylor situation will turn out. They've already hired lawyers to deal with NCAA infractions.

A year from now, the Big 12 might need to make expansion decisions based on adding the strongest teams available.

You can imagine how UConn might fare differently depending on the rules of engagement.

So the Big 12 is going to wait and make a decision later with more complete information on how bad Baylor gets hit.

(05-31-2016 03:21 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  So expansion is not happening because they've made up their minds prior to hearing all of the data presentations for which they've paid millions of dollars already? Sound logic, I love it.

They already seen all the data. It's been available for some time.

(05-31-2016 03:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll be interested in hearing what the tone and attitude at the first press conference tomorrow is. I don't doubt Chip Brown has some Big 12 'sources', but they haven't even gotten all the data they paid money for yet. I have a feeling there is a bit more to this story than the door being bolted shut on the first day.

You're really trying to tell us that all of this is a big secret, there were no leaks in the info and all of the presidents were clueless as to what the data was 1 day before the meetings? Really? The data has been known to the Big 12 higher ups for some time now. It always is.

(05-31-2016 03:06 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:02 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  So Texas is basically going to do everything in their power to kill their own conference off, interesting tactic.

They aren't interested in playing football against G5 schools. Can't blame them for that viewpoint.

Yeah we make them look bad in big games.

(05-31-2016 03:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll be interested in hearing what the tone and attitude at the first press conference tomorrow is. I don't doubt Chip Brown has some Big 12 'sources', but they haven't even gotten all the data they paid money for yet. I have a feeling there is a bit more to this story than the door being bolted shut on the first day.

Wouldn't it be great if they did though? At this point it's like the keystone cops are running the B12.

Que the Benny Hill music

(05-31-2016 04:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll be interested in hearing what the tone and attitude at the first press conference tomorrow is. I don't doubt Chip Brown has some Big 12 'sources', but they haven't even gotten all the data they paid money for yet. I have a feeling there is a bit more to this story than the door being bolted shut on the first day.

You're really trying to tell us that all of this is a big secret, there were no leaks in the info and all of the presidents were clueless as to what the data was 1 day before the meetings? Really? The data has been known to the Big 12 higher ups for some time now. It always is.

I have no idea what the presidents know. Expansion could be a non-starter. Or it the details could be hammered out this week in the backroom. It was just reported that the presidents would be briefed on the full data at these meetings. You don't know anything either, so lets not start preaching here.

(05-31-2016 04:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 04:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll be interested in hearing what the tone and attitude at the first press conference tomorrow is. I don't doubt Chip Brown has some Big 12 'sources', but they haven't even gotten all the data they paid money for yet. I have a feeling there is a bit more to this story than the door being bolted shut on the first day.

You're really trying to tell us that all of this is a big secret, there were no leaks in the info and all of the presidents were clueless as to what the data was 1 day before the meetings? Really? The data has been known to the Big 12 higher ups for some time now. It always is.

I have no idea what the presidents know. Expansion could be a non-starter. Or it the details could be hammered out this week in the backroom. It was just reported that the presidents would be briefed on the full data at these meetings. You don't know anything either, so lets not start preaching here.

I'm telling you flat out the presidents have seen all the data by now. Now they may be officially presented data this week, but there is ALWAYS advanced info and copies floating around. There are no top secret bombshells being presented this week.

(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  ALL Chip Brown literally said was that, " no network or expansion this year for the Big 12".

Jiminy Christmas people!

If you're looking for a message board where people don't overreact to non-news, then you've come to the wrong place.

(05-31-2016 04:35 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 04:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 04:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll be interested in hearing what the tone and attitude at the first press conference tomorrow is. I don't doubt Chip Brown has some Big 12 'sources', but they haven't even gotten all the data they paid money for yet. I have a feeling there is a bit more to this story than the door being bolted shut on the first day.

You're really trying to tell us that all of this is a big secret, there were no leaks in the info and all of the presidents were clueless as to what the data was 1 day before the meetings? Really? The data has been known to the Big 12 higher ups for some time now. It always is.

I have no idea what the presidents know. Expansion could be a non-starter. Or it the details could be hammered out this week in the backroom. It was just reported that the presidents would be briefed on the full data at these meetings. You don't know anything either, so lets not start preaching here.

I'm telling you flat out the presidents have seen all the data by now. Now they may be officially presented data this week, but there is ALWAYS advanced info and copies floating around. There are no top secret bombshells being presented this week.

You have a copy of these documents? Sounds like you are 'flat out' sure you know everything at work here. A lot of people here would be interested in knowing what you clearly do.

(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  ALL Chip Brown literally said was that, " no network or expansion this year for the Big 12".

Jiminy Christmas people!

This has been going on for five years now. Either **** or get off the pot.

so I guess this means we should expect to hear by end of summer that the B12 expands by 2

There are still people that think Clemson and FSU have an interest in the Big 12.

(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Wait a minute. What about all that stuff TripleA was saying about Memphis already being invited????

Don't misquote me. And don't believe everything you read in the media, especially about realignment.

To be fair, there are a lot of schools invested in the hope that the Big 12 expands, so there is all this chatter about what is going to happen. So when someone with impeccable sources and credibility comes along and states that there will be no expansion, it freaks out the folks from some of the target schools like Cincy, Memphis, Houston, etc.

However, the Big 12's decision produces much more stability for the AAC. I'm sure ECU, Tulane, UConn, Temple fans are rejoicing. To them, they don't see the conference lose schools. Likewise the conference mates of Colorado State, Boise, etc.

So while Texas is looking after its own skin, it is helping all these other schools by maintaining the status quo.

(05-31-2016 04:35 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 04:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 04:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 03:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I'll be interested in hearing what the tone and attitude at the first press conference tomorrow is. I don't doubt Chip Brown has some Big 12 'sources', but they haven't even gotten all the data they paid money for yet. I have a feeling there is a bit more to this story than the door being bolted shut on the first day.

You're really trying to tell us that all of this is a big secret, there were no leaks in the info and all of the presidents were clueless as to what the data was 1 day before the meetings? Really? The data has been known to the Big 12 higher ups for some time now. It always is.

I have no idea what the presidents know. Expansion could be a non-starter. Or it the details could be hammered out this week in the backroom. It was just reported that the presidents would be briefed on the full data at these meetings. You don't know anything either, so lets not start preaching here.

I'm telling you flat out the presidents have seen all the data by now. Now they may be officially presented data this week, but there is ALWAYS advanced info and copies floating around. There are no top secret bombshells being presented this week.

The TV data comes out Friday, and that's not what reporters said when they had the first presentation. Quite a few of the AD's and Presidents were "shocked" by the data after the last round of meetings.

So the next question, does Ok start the dissolution of the B12 by contacting the SEC or Big 10 to create the P4? ISU, K State and TT may need to start worrying.

(05-31-2016 05:05 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  To be fair, there are a lot of schools invested in the hope that the Big 12 expands, so there is all this chatter about what is going to happen. So when someone with impeccable sources and credibility comes along and states that there will be no expansion, it freaks out the folks from some of the target schools like Cincy, Memphis, Houston, etc.

However, the Big 12's decision produces much more stability for the AAC. I'm sure ECU, Tulane, UConn, Temple fans are rejoicing. To them, they don't see the conference lose schools. Likewise the conference mates of Colorado State, Boise, etc.

So while Texas is looking after its own skin, it is helping all these other schools by maintaining the status quo.

Impeccable sources and credibility?

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2014/11/1...ts-twitter

http://jizzmop.tumblr.com/

As for freaking out, that's silly. Expansion doesn't turn on a dime with each new media article, good or bad.

(05-31-2016 05:05 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  To be fair, there are a lot of schools invested in the hope that the Big 12 expands, so there is all this chatter about what is going to happen. So when someone with impeccable sources and credibility comes along and states that there will be no expansion, it freaks out the folks from some of the target schools like Cincy, Memphis, Houston, etc.

However, the Big 12's decision produces much more stability for the AAC. I'm sure ECU, Tulane, UConn, Temple fans are rejoicing. To them, they don't see the conference lose schools. Likewise the conference mates of Colorado State, Boise, etc.

So while Texas is looking after its own skin, it is helping all these other schools by maintaining the status quo.

Let's not pretend Chip Brown is on the same level as a McMurphy or other national writers. Dude has been wrong a lot for someone who you described as 'credible' and 'impeccable':

Example 1

Example 2