(05-25-2016 10:10 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 05:26 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  While the title of the thread seems a bit over the top to me, I can see Baylor staying competitive. It will take another good hire, but those are out there and the school has invested.

In addition, Baylor (no offense to Baylor fans out there) seems to be likely to be left out of the next realignment shift. What that means is a likely landing spot in the AAC or MWC. If that is the case, Baylor may be well positioned to beat up on weaker competition as long as they have p5 resources. That means they will consistently be in the running for the G5 Big 6 game slot. Could be pretty good for branding, kind of a Boise State role.

Of course they could also move with Texas, Tech, and TCU to a new western ACC division.

Either way, I think they will be fine as long as their OOC attracts crowds.

Baylor, Texas Tech, and TCU aren't going to the ACC.
Alpha-Omega

Too many people think the SEC and ACC will settle for leftovers. For example, the Big Ten is not going to grab Texas and the SEC comes in to snatch TCU. It won't happen.

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Briles came from Houston, correct?

Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.

Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse didn't offer him large amounts of money.

There are a lot of considerations when a coach plots his career.

You asked a question and got an answer. A move to Baylor is undoubtedly going to pay more.

(05-25-2016 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Briles came from Houston, correct?

Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.

Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse didn't offer him large amounts of money.

There are a lot of considerations when a coach plots his career.

You asked a question and got an answer. A move to Baylor is undoubtedly going to pay more.

The question was rhetorical. Clearly money wasn't the issue based on 3 factors; he stayed at Houston, Houston gave him a raise, and South Carolina and mizzou were top candidates for a job which he didn't take. Clearly, your answer was incorrect. It is clear he's looking for the right job not just dollar signs, so I'd have to disagree that he'd take a Baylor job.

(05-25-2016 11:00 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse didn't offer him large amounts of money.

There are a lot of considerations when a coach plots his career.

You asked a question and got an answer. A move to Baylor is undoubtedly going to pay more.

The question was rhetorical. Clearly money wasn't the issue based on 3 factors; he stayed at Houston, Houston gave him a raise, and South Carolina and mizzou were top candidates for a job which he didn't take. Clearly, your answer was incorrect. It is clear he's looking for the right job not just dollar signs, so I'd have to disagree that he'd take a Baylor job.

Well, I never said he'd take the job. I'm sorry you didn't comprehend that.

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Briles came from Houston, correct?

Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.

Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Briles came from Houston, correct?

Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.

Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

Really? This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success? Especially since the last 2 assistants that SU hired failed miserably.

Heres an article from 3 days before that article written by the same writer speculating that UCF hired Babers right from underneath Syracuse's nose.

UCF Hires SU's coach


It was revealed that Babers had agreed to take the SU job that Tuesday. That was the day that it was announced that UCF had hired Frost, which was the day after Babers shot down the rumors that he accepted the UCF job.. Syracuse had agreed to wait until that Friday after the MAC Championship to announce Babers hiring. The official announcement came the next day on Saturday. Babers was SU's target from the beginning, no matter what media speculations reported.

(05-25-2016 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Briles came from Houston, correct?

Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.

Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse didn't offer him large amounts of money.

There are a lot of considerations when a coach plots his career.

You asked a question and got an answer. A move to Baylor is undoubtedly going to pay more.

Being that I think his new deal with Houston is paying him roughly 3 million per year I'm not sure Baylor would pay more, or at least not enough more to go into that mess. I think he leaves after this season from Houston, but I'm betting he ends up at Texas.

(05-25-2016 11:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:00 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  $$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse didn't offer him large amounts of money.

There are a lot of considerations when a coach plots his career.

You asked a question and got an answer. A move to Baylor is undoubtedly going to pay more.

The question was rhetorical. Clearly money wasn't the issue based on 3 factors; he stayed at Houston, Houston gave him a raise, and South Carolina and mizzou were top candidates for a job which he didn't take. Clearly, your answer was incorrect. It is clear he's looking for the right job not just dollar signs, so I'd have to disagree that he'd take a Baylor job.

Well, I never said he'd take the job. I'm sorry you didn't comprehend that.

The question was why would he leave Houston for Baylor, what's to comprehend? Clearly didn't mean to physically drive from Houston to Waco. The miscomprehension is on you.

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Briles came from Houston, correct?

Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.

Tom Herman had many opportunities this offseason and chose to stay at Houston. Why would he leave for Baylor?

$$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

Yeah that's my bad, I was merely using Syracuse as generic job vacancy example. Herman's top job vacancies were South Carolina and mizzou.

(05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  $$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success?

Maybe because a coordinator from a national championship team might have a better chance recruiting decent players to a geographic area without any HS talent of its own than a MAC coach who never won a conference championship or FCS quarterfinal game?

Ash spurned SU and they settled for Babers, deal with it.

With these responses, are we to assume that in this scenario Briles is fired, but there are no NCAA sanctions? Because that will drastically affect who they can hire, and how well the recover, should this pass.

The NCAA has nothing to do with it.

If crimes were committed, then charges will be brought and the criminal justice system will play out.
If Baylor feels it needs to let Briles, the AD, etc go, then that is their business.
If businesses choose to no longer associate with Baylor, that is their business.

The NCAA has no damn seat at the table in this case, which is correct! No one cheated the rules of the game, no one cheated in recruiting, no one cheated grades, etc. THAT's when the NCAA has a place. If they try some BS power grab, with sanctions, fines, etc., then sue their asses. And I hope the NCAA loses in that case, big time!

(05-25-2016 12:13 PM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success?

Maybe because a coordinator from a national championship team might have a better chance recruiting decent players to a geographic area without any HS talent of its own than a MAC coach who never won a conference championship or FCS quarterfinal game?

Ash spurned SU and they settled for Babers, deal with it.

You have to be kidding. SU had already tried an assistant from national champion USC who failed miserably. So if Ash spurned SU, why did he get the Rutgers job after SU hired Babers? The then SU AD, said at the press conference, with Babers present, that they had a deal in place but had to wait to announce it because Babers didn't want that interfere with his MAC Championship game. Babers was announced December 5th and Ash was announced December 7. He withdrew his name from the Syracuse job on Dec, 2nd. This is common practice for candidates to withdraw their names when they don't get the job. If he spurned SU to take the Rutgers job, then why did it take five more days for him to announce his hiring at Rutgers. And why was Syracuse able to announce the hiring of Babers before Rutgers was able to announce the hiring of Ash?

(05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  $$$

I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

Really? This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success? Especially since the last 2 assistants that SU hired failed miserably.

Heres an article from 3 days before that article written by the same writer speculating that UCF hired Babers right from underneath Syracuse's nose.

UCF Hires SU's coach


It was revealed that Babers had agreed to take the SU job that Tuesday. That was the day that it was announced that UCF had hired Frost, which was the day after Babers shot down the rumors that he accepted the UCF job.. Syracuse had agreed to wait until that Friday after the MAC Championship to announce Babers hiring. The official announcement came the next day on Saturday. Babers was SU's target from the beginning, no matter what media speculations reported.

Syracuse offered Frost $1.3 million and we gave him $1.7 million. Barbers was your backup. Still a good hire though. New York doesn't have much D1 talent so I could see why Frost passed.

(05-25-2016 12:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The NCAA has nothing to do with it.

If crimes were committed, then charges will be brought and the criminal justice system will play out.
If Baylor feels it needs to let Briles, the AD, etc go, then that is their business.
If businesses choose to no longer associate with Baylor, that is their business.

The NCAA has no damn seat at the table in this case, which is correct! No one cheated the rules of the game, no one cheated in recruiting, no one cheated grades, etc. THAT's when the NCAA has a place. If they try some BS power grab, with sanctions, fines, etc., then sue their asses. And I hope the NCAA loses in that case, big time!

Sad state of affairs when chatting with a recruit in the quiet period is worse than hiding rape.

(05-25-2016 12:47 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

Really? This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success? Especially since the last 2 assistants that SU hired failed miserably.

Heres an article from 3 days before that article written by the same writer speculating that UCF hired Babers right from underneath Syracuse's nose.

UCF Hires SU's coach


It was revealed that Babers had agreed to take the SU job that Tuesday. That was the day that it was announced that UCF had hired Frost, which was the day after Babers shot down the rumors that he accepted the UCF job.. Syracuse had agreed to wait until that Friday after the MAC Championship to announce Babers hiring. The official announcement came the next day on Saturday. Babers was SU's target from the beginning, no matter what media speculations reported.

Syracuse offered Frost $1.3 million and we gave him $1.7 million. Barbers was your backup. Still a good hire though. New York doesn't have much D1 talent so I could see why Frost passed.

Dude, Frost didn't pass on SU. SU passed on Frost. Remember when it was reported that UCF hired Babers away from Syracuse? Remember when Babers shot down those rumors? Then next thing you know Frost was hired by UCF. whiles SU had got Babers at $2.5 million. The SU AD said those reports regarding Frost and SU were not correct.

(05-25-2016 12:13 PM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton

I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success?

Maybe because a coordinator from a national championship team might have a better chance recruiting decent players to a geographic area without any HS talent of its own than a MAC coach who never won a conference championship or FCS quarterfinal game?

Ash spurned SU and they settled for Babers, deal with it.

Dan Wolken ‎@DanWolken
Breaking: Chris Ash has pulled out of the Syracuse search, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. Clears way for Dino Babers
1:38 PM - 2 Dec 2015
131 131 Retweets 66 66 likes
Interesting.


So does Wolken's report mean Ash-to-Rutgers is a certainty? Not necessarily. Babers seems to be the heavy favorite for the Syracuse job, so it's possible Ash pulled out with knowledge Babers will get the gig. But it's looking like Ash is a real possibility. ESPN's Brett McMurphy has this to say...

(05-25-2016 12:56 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 12:47 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.

The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

Really? This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success? Especially since the last 2 assistants that SU hired failed miserably.

Heres an article from 3 days before that article written by the same writer speculating that UCF hired Babers right from underneath Syracuse's nose.

UCF Hires SU's coach


It was revealed that Babers had agreed to take the SU job that Tuesday. That was the day that it was announced that UCF had hired Frost, which was the day after Babers shot down the rumors that he accepted the UCF job.. Syracuse had agreed to wait until that Friday after the MAC Championship to announce Babers hiring. The official announcement came the next day on Saturday. Babers was SU's target from the beginning, no matter what media speculations reported.

Syracuse offered Frost $1.3 million and we gave him $1.7 million. Barbers was your backup. Still a good hire though. New York doesn't have much D1 talent so I could see why Frost passed.

Dude, Frost didn't pass on SU. SU passed on Frost. Remember when it was reported that UCF hired Babers away from Syracuse? Remember when Babers shot down those rumors? Then next thing you know Frost was hired by UCF. whiles SU had got Babers at $2.5 million. The SU AD said those reports regarding Frost and SU were not correct.

That was misreported Frost was the top candidate all along.

(05-25-2016 01:20 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 12:56 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 12:47 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote:  The revisionist history is strong here.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html

Really? This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success? Especially since the last 2 assistants that SU hired failed miserably.

Heres an article from 3 days before that article written by the same writer speculating that UCF hired Babers right from underneath Syracuse's nose.

UCF Hires SU's coach


It was revealed that Babers had agreed to take the SU job that Tuesday. That was the day that it was announced that UCF had hired Frost, which was the day after Babers shot down the rumors that he accepted the UCF job.. Syracuse had agreed to wait until that Friday after the MAC Championship to announce Babers hiring. The official announcement came the next day on Saturday. Babers was SU's target from the beginning, no matter what media speculations reported.

Syracuse offered Frost $1.3 million and we gave him $1.7 million. Barbers was your backup. Still a good hire though. New York doesn't have much D1 talent so I could see why Frost passed.

Dude, Frost didn't pass on SU. SU passed on Frost. Remember when it was reported that UCF hired Babers away from Syracuse? Remember when Babers shot down those rumors? Then next thing you know Frost was hired by UCF. whiles SU had got Babers at $2.5 million. The SU AD said those reports regarding Frost and SU were not correct.

That was misreported Frost was the top candidate all along.

So then, why are they paying Babers $2.5 million if they only offered Frost $1.3 million?