- salaries for coaches are off the charts
- the game is over-exposed which actually is hurting attendance
- players want to get paid
- academic scandals left and right

I mean, realistically, when does it go and what is the aftermath? I can't see the sport totally gone, Heaven forbid, but I think some common sense has to come back to the sport.

Carry on.

(05-22-2016 11:16 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  - salaries for coaches are off the charts
- the game is over-exposed which actually is hurting attendance
- players want to get paid
- academic scandals left and right

I mean, realistically, when does it go and what is the aftermath? I can't see the sport totally gone, Heaven forbid, but I think some common sense has to come back to the sport.

Carry on.

You forgot one huge thing hanging over the whole thing:
-The expense of insurance as chronic injuries...especially head trauma...continues to gain wide-spread attention. It is going to get IMMENSELY expensive to insure college football players against the potential of injury incurred in the normal play of the game.

Do you think the schools and the people that make the decisions at these schools have plans in place to cover these type injuries? Nonetheless, these athletes are not helpless victims. There's a little sticker on the backs of helmets that pretty much says you're taking a risk. Perhaps accountability work shops could be a good thing?

All that aside, what do you see happening?

College sports is also hurt by the lack of familiarity. It was mildly refreshing to see Wichita State still trotting out Van Vleet and Baker this year, as I had become familiar with their names over the years. The big college basketball programs rarely have that anymore and we generally have to adjust to new names each year. College football is better thanks to the 3-year commitment but those sports should go semi-pro, as they already essentially are anyways. There's no reason they can't have some players playing for over a decade, they'd connect more with fans doing that.

As an aside, since I know that won't happen, I'm surprised an alumni spring league hasn't formed, I think it'd be huge and there's a market for it imo.

Back to the Seventies. The big brands will thrive. Everyone else? Not so much.

If it happens. Notre Dame, Alabama, Michigan, USC won't much notice. They can cut a piddly men's sport, refuse to renew assistant contracts at such high numbers, trim and administrative position or two and carry on.

The schools that will notice will be the ones carrying a fat debt load to keep up with the top of the conference and were relying on TV money to make the debt payments. If the can't pour money over from the academic and operations side to meet the payments and need to restructure or default it could have a huge impact cutting sports, slashing salaries, layoffs, big downgrades of the school's bond ratings.

Get bad enough off, state takeovers of schools and such (yes I understand that public state colleges belong to the state but the operation is currently under the power of an appointed board, being taken over by a state agency to run the show is a different matter).

We almost got a preview with Maryland when the Terps were upside down on their debt and not cash flowing it because the demand for premium seating wasn't there. They had basically exhausted their reserves when the B1G called.

G5 will be riding in their second hand pick-up and ask "did you hear something?" no big deal for the G5 they don't have enough tv money to be highly dependent on it.

Baaketball will need to add more gimmicks to keep things interesting. How did ideas like 3 point lines get introduced?

But let's face it, sports, just like tv shows get tired, boring and predictable. American Idol is gone. Sometimes things just get old.

Good point, goof. Lots of great things, still turn over. Restaurants is another good example.

Maybe people will one day stop watching football on TV. But that day certainly doesn't seem to be coming any time soon.

It will not subside from being a big part of people's fall. Coaching salaries will stabilize. Amenities in stadiums will continue to increase to attract. The 100,000 seat stadiums will still be just for the few. 50,000 seat customized stadiums will be the norm for p5.

(05-23-2016 08:16 AM)goofus Wrote:  Baaketball will need to add more gimmicks to keep things interesting. How did ideas like 3 point lines get introduced?

But let's face it, sports, just like tv shows get tired, boring and predictable. American Idol is gone. Sometimes things just get old.

Huh? You know MLB has been around for well over 100 years right? Also what does college basketball have to do with this? If CFB gets effected and has a drop off that would be a boon to CBB. The roundball would be the new top sports for colleges. Smaller teams so paying players would be easier and with title IX you don't have to carry as many sports and BBall is easy because all you need is a womens team to balance that sport out, unlike with FB where you need 3-4 womens sports to balance out the huge amount of scholarships FB has.

I don't see the popularity of college football going anywhere in my lifetime. The rising costs may force some G5 schools to drop to a lower level or drop football entirely, but the big programs can afford to absorb the additional costs.

You'll see certain programs rise even further and many more either fall down to lower levels or close up shop.

Not every program out there has the same kind of inherent value.

(05-23-2016 10:02 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:16 AM)goofus Wrote:  Baaketball will need to add more gimmicks to keep things interesting. How did ideas like 3 point lines get introduced?

But let's face it, sports, just like tv shows get tired, boring and predictable. American Idol is gone. Sometimes things just get old.

Huh? You know MLB has been around for well over 100 years right? Also what does college basketball have to do with this? If CFB gets effected and has a drop off that would be a boon to CBB. The roundball would be the new top sports for colleges. Smaller teams so paying players would be easier and with title IX you don't have to carry as many sports and BBall is easy because all you need is a womens team to balance that sport out, unlike with FB where you need 3-4 womens sports to balance out the huge amount of scholarships FB has.

I do not think that he is saying that college football will go away.

Yes. Major League Baseball has been around for over 100 years, but it does not even come close to having the draw that it used too. When I was growing up, base ball was king and nobody was worried about any other sport ever competing with it. As a kid, I would watch every Tiger and Cubs game that I could on TV and would get to a couple of home games every year.

Now? I have not watched a regular season MLB game on TV in 30 years and I have not watch the World Series in 10 years. I cannot tell you who even played in the 5 World Series. It is hard to believe that a game that was so important to me while growing up, means so little to me know. I do not see myself deserting football like i deserted baseball, but I am not going to be foolish enough to say that it is always going to be the most important game to me.

In real estate we have a saying that many ignore, but all too often it is proven true......Today's winners are tomorrow's losers. This holds true in sports and entertainment. A sport either change with society and hope that those changes spark new interest or they get old and less popular opening the doors for another too rise. That said, I can see Lacrosse possibly being more popular than football some day. It is rapidly growing across the country. I myself have just recently discovered watching it and I love it!

(05-23-2016 11:33 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:02 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:16 AM)goofus Wrote:  Baaketball will need to add more gimmicks to keep things interesting. How did ideas like 3 point lines get introduced?

But let's face it, sports, just like tv shows get tired, boring and predictable. American Idol is gone. Sometimes things just get old.

Huh? You know MLB has been around for well over 100 years right? Also what does college basketball have to do with this? If CFB gets effected and has a drop off that would be a boon to CBB. The roundball would be the new top sports for colleges. Smaller teams so paying players would be easier and with title IX you don't have to carry as many sports and BBall is easy because all you need is a womens team to balance that sport out, unlike with FB where you need 3-4 womens sports to balance out the huge amount of scholarships FB has.

I do not think that he is saying that college football will go away.

Yes. Major League Baseball has been around for over 100 years, but it does not even come close to having the draw that it used too. When I was growing up, base ball was king and nobody was worried about any other sport ever competing with it. As a kid, I would watch every Tiger and Cubs game that I could on TV and would get to a couple of home games every year.

Now? I have not watched a regular season MLB game on TV in 30 years and I have not watch the World Series in 10 years. I cannot tell you who even played in the 5 World Series. It is hard to believe that a game that was so important to me while growing up, means so little to me know. I do not see myself deserting football like i deserted baseball, but I am not going to be foolish enough to say that it is always going to be the most important game to me.

In real estate we have a saying that many ignore, but all too often it is proven true......Today's winners are tomorrow's losers. This holds true in sports and entertainment. A sport either change with society and hope that those changes spark new interest or they get old and less popular opening the doors for another too rise. That said, I can see Lacrosse possibly being more popular than football some day. It is rapidly growing across the country. I myself have just recently discovered watching it and I love it!

Thats great for you but it's still easily the #2 sport in this country. If/when FB falls off baseball will be right there again. Lacrosse will never be as popular as Fb is tofay. if anything the US just catches up with the rest of the world with their version of FB.

(05-22-2016 12:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  College sports is also hurt by the lack of familiarity. It was mildly refreshing to see Wichita State still trotting out Van Vleet and Baker this year, as I had become familiar with their names over the years. The big college basketball programs rarely have that anymore and we generally have to adjust to new names each year. College football is better thanks to the 3-year commitment but those sports should go semi-pro, as they already essentially are anyways. There's no reason they can't have some players playing for over a decade, they'd connect more with fans doing that.

Buddy Hield, Brice Johnson, Denzel Valentine, Malcolm Brogdon, Perry Ellis, Yogi Ferrell, Georges Niang... which season were you watching?

(05-23-2016 11:33 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:02 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:16 AM)goofus Wrote:  Baaketball will need to add more gimmicks to keep things interesting. How did ideas like 3 point lines get introduced?

But let's face it, sports, just like tv shows get tired, boring and predictable. American Idol is gone. Sometimes things just get old.

Huh? You know MLB has been around for well over 100 years right? Also what does college basketball have to do with this? If CFB gets effected and has a drop off that would be a boon to CBB. The roundball would be the new top sports for colleges. Smaller teams so paying players would be easier and with title IX you don't have to carry as many sports and BBall is easy because all you need is a womens team to balance that sport out, unlike with FB where you need 3-4 womens sports to balance out the huge amount of scholarships FB has.

I do not think that he is saying that college football will go away.

Yes. Major League Baseball has been around for over 100 years, but it does not even come close to having the draw that it used too. When I was growing up, base ball was king and nobody was worried about any other sport ever competing with it. As a kid, I would watch every Tiger and Cubs game that I could on TV and would get to a couple of home games every year.

Now? I have not watched a regular season MLB game on TV in 30 years and I have not watch the World Series in 10 years. I cannot tell you who even played in the 5 World Series. It is hard to believe that a game that was so important to me while growing up, means so little to me know. I do not see myself deserting football like i deserted baseball, but I am not going to be foolish enough to say that it is always going to be the most important game to me.

In real estate we have a saying that many ignore, but all too often it is proven true......Today's winners are tomorrow's losers. This holds true in sports and entertainment. A sport either change with society and hope that those changes spark new interest or they get old and less popular opening the doors for another too rise. That said, I can see Lacrosse possibly being more popular than football some day. It is rapidly growing across the country. I myself have just recently discovered watching it and I love it!

Baseball may have declined in the sense that it is no longer the clear #1 sport, but on a revenue side it has never been better. Below is a quote from when baseball was at arguably its peak. Today the league minimum for a MLB player is 507k, meanwhile, the president makes 400k. The top baseball players today make as much as 80x what the president does.

"I know, but I had a better year than (President Herbert) Hoover." - 1930 Babe Ruth response to his salary of $80,000 being more than the President's $75,000

(05-23-2016 12:22 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 11:33 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:02 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:16 AM)goofus Wrote:  Baaketball will need to add more gimmicks to keep things interesting. How did ideas like 3 point lines get introduced?

But let's face it, sports, just like tv shows get tired, boring and predictable. American Idol is gone. Sometimes things just get old.

Huh? You know MLB has been around for well over 100 years right? Also what does college basketball have to do with this? If CFB gets effected and has a drop off that would be a boon to CBB. The roundball would be the new top sports for colleges. Smaller teams so paying players would be easier and with title IX you don't have to carry as many sports and BBall is easy because all you need is a womens team to balance that sport out, unlike with FB where you need 3-4 womens sports to balance out the huge amount of scholarships FB has.

I do not think that he is saying that college football will go away.

Yes. Major League Baseball has been around for over 100 years, but it does not even come close to having the draw that it used too. When I was growing up, base ball was king and nobody was worried about any other sport ever competing with it. As a kid, I would watch every Tiger and Cubs game that I could on TV and would get to a couple of home games every year.

Now? I have not watched a regular season MLB game on TV in 30 years and I have not watch the World Series in 10 years. I cannot tell you who even played in the 5 World Series. It is hard to believe that a game that was so important to me while growing up, means so little to me know. I do not see myself deserting football like i deserted baseball, but I am not going to be foolish enough to say that it is always going to be the most important game to me.

In real estate we have a saying that many ignore, but all too often it is proven true......Today's winners are tomorrow's losers. This holds true in sports and entertainment. A sport either change with society and hope that those changes spark new interest or they get old and less popular opening the doors for another too rise. That said, I can see Lacrosse possibly being more popular than football some day. It is rapidly growing across the country. I myself have just recently discovered watching it and I love it!

Baseball may have declined in the sense that it is no longer the clear #1 sport, but on a revenue side it has never been better. Below is a quote from when baseball was at arguably its peak. Today the league minimum for a MLB player is 507k, meanwhile, the president makes 400k. The top baseball players today make as much as 80x what the president does.

"I know, but I had a better year than (President Herbert) Hoover." - 1930 Babe Ruth response to his salary of $80,000 being more than the President's $75,000

President's salary is constrained by politics and not set by market. More realistic is comparing former presidents to ball players. I'd say salaries have pretty much kept up

In the 1930's the most popular sports in the US were baseball, boxing and horse racing.
By the early 1960's baseball and football were firmly 1-2 with football #2. Now football, basketball, baseball.

This stuff evolves all the time.

(05-23-2016 12:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 12:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  College sports is also hurt by the lack of familiarity. It was mildly refreshing to see Wichita State still trotting out Van Vleet and Baker this year, as I had become familiar with their names over the years. The big college basketball programs rarely have that anymore and we generally have to adjust to new names each year. College football is better thanks to the 3-year commitment but those sports should go semi-pro, as they already essentially are anyways. There's no reason they can't have some players playing for over a decade, they'd connect more with fans doing that.

Buddy Hield, Brice Johnson, Denzel Valentine, Malcolm Brogdon, Perry Ellis, Yogi Ferrell, Georges Niang... which season were you watching?

Who? But seriously, the names are fewer than we're used to seeing and it really accelerated as Kobe, KG and a number of others like Jermaine O'Neal skipped school for the pros. We'll never see an era like that of about 1979-85 even if a few players hang around. That and I don't follow college basketball nearly as frequently as I used to.

(05-23-2016 12:22 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 11:33 AM)westernwilly Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 10:02 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 08:16 AM)goofus Wrote:  Baaketball will need to add more gimmicks to keep things interesting. How did ideas like 3 point lines get introduced?

But let's face it, sports, just like tv shows get tired, boring and predictable. American Idol is gone. Sometimes things just get old.

Huh? You know MLB has been around for well over 100 years right? Also what does college basketball have to do with this? If CFB gets effected and has a drop off that would be a boon to CBB. The roundball would be the new top sports for colleges. Smaller teams so paying players would be easier and with title IX you don't have to carry as many sports and BBall is easy because all you need is a womens team to balance that sport out, unlike with FB where you need 3-4 womens sports to balance out the huge amount of scholarships FB has.

I do not think that he is saying that college football will go away.

Yes. Major League Baseball has been around for over 100 years, but it does not even come close to having the draw that it used too. When I was growing up, base ball was king and nobody was worried about any other sport ever competing with it. As a kid, I would watch every Tiger and Cubs game that I could on TV and would get to a couple of home games every year.

Now? I have not watched a regular season MLB game on TV in 30 years and I have not watch the World Series in 10 years. I cannot tell you who even played in the 5 World Series. It is hard to believe that a game that was so important to me while growing up, means so little to me know. I do not see myself deserting football like i deserted baseball, but I am not going to be foolish enough to say that it is always going to be the most important game to me.

In real estate we have a saying that many ignore, but all too often it is proven true......Today's winners are tomorrow's losers. This holds true in sports and entertainment. A sport either change with society and hope that those changes spark new interest or they get old and less popular opening the doors for another too rise. That said, I can see Lacrosse possibly being more popular than football some day. It is rapidly growing across the country. I myself have just recently discovered watching it and I love it!

Baseball may have declined in the sense that it is no longer the clear #1 sport, but on a revenue side it has never been better. Below is a quote from when baseball was at arguably its peak. Today the league minimum for a MLB player is 507k, meanwhile, the president makes 400k. The top baseball players today make as much as 80x what the president does.

"I know, but I had a better year than (President Herbert) Hoover." - 1930 Babe Ruth response to his salary of $80,000 being more than the President's $75,000

That is well over a million in 2016 dollars and that was during the Great Depression and well before the era of high paid sports athletes and CEOs.

Interesting note: in 1936 the number one NFL draft pick turned down that years top salary which was $25,000 over two years. Instead he took as a Foam Rubber Salesman. (That would be $214, 244 per year today)