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USF Big 12 articles
http://www.thedailystampede.com/2016/5/9...-expansion


So with all of the talk of the musical chairs of conference expansion starting again, you might be asking what exactly is USF leadership doing here?

Nothing that you'll see. And that's by design.

Besides this letter from Mark Harlan to donors and season ticket holders last week, there's been absolutely zero public comment from the Bulls about any of this. But sources that we've talked to both inside USF Athletics and those close to Big XII current members say Fowler Avenue is placing more faith in being a trusted partner than in shilling themselves through the media.

It seems to be out of the same playbook used by USF during the 2002-03 round of conference realignment, which ended up with USF in the Big East. Lee Roy Selmon & Judy Genshaft kept things very close to the vest, worked their relationships with Presidents and other athletics personnel, and stayed below the radar through much of the process. It seems that's the game plan once again.

It's likely USF will look much more attractive to any conference a year from now. Attendance at football should be up significantly if early ticket sales are to be believed, and the team on the field should easily be the best of this decade. If the Big XII decides to delay expansion by a year, it seems USF's candidacy would be in a significantly stronger position.

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Academically USF stands head and shoulders above all other candidates except UConn, with both schools hoping to be on a path to eventual AAU membership. However no one we've talked to thinks that academic prestige will be a major factor in any Big XII decision.

Despite the lack of buzz around the Bulls in the media, USF is in constant contact with Big XII administrators. Those that would be decision makers are quite aware of the case for Tampa, with USF being informed and aware about current discussions. We can also confirm that some other schools, particularly Memphis, haven't been as tactful during this process, and it has rubbed some from the conference the wrong way.

So don't fret when you see USF far down the lists of potential schools. To the tiny sliver of folks that would make any expansion decision, they are well aware of the sunshine, massive market, and pile of potential upon which the Bulls exist.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/colleges/...id/2276345


TAMPA — With the idea of Big 12 expansion seemingly gaining more traction, USF athletic director Mark Harlan indicated to boosters Friday that the school is being "proactive" regarding the Bulls' future.

In a seven-paragraph letter sent to Bulls Club members and season-ticket holders, Harlan acknowledged national reports of "possible conference expansion and other potential realignments." He then noted a number of USF athletic accomplishments before trying to reassure supporters of the Bulls, who are in the American Athletic Conference, thirsting for Power Five status.

"Like many of our peers, we are also an aspirational institution and closely monitor any opportunities that would benefit USF athletics in the long term," Harlan wrote. "Rest assured, we have been proactive in exploring any and all opportunities that would support this program's singular focus on sustained excellence."

Harlan's letter comes in the wake of reports indicating presidents from Cincinnati and Memphis have made extensive efforts to promote their respective universities to Big 12 administrators. USF's efforts to curry favor with the Big 12 are believed to have been done more covertly to this point.
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This stuff should be mostly behind closed doors. No need to tear down your current house on the 'possibility' of getting a better house.
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How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.
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(05-09-2016 03:37 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  http://www.thedailystampede.com/2016/5/9...-expansion


So with all of the talk of the musical chairs of conference expansion starting again, you might be asking what exactly is USF leadership doing here?

Nothing that you'll see. And that's by design.

Besides this letter from Mark Harlan to donors and season ticket holders last week, there's been absolutely zero public comment from the Bulls about any of this. But sources that we've talked to both inside USF Athletics and those close to Big XII current members say Fowler Avenue is placing more faith in being a trusted partner than in shilling themselves through the media.

It seems to be out of the same playbook used by USF during the 2002-03 round of conference realignment, which ended up with USF in the Big East. Lee Roy Selmon & Judy Genshaft kept things very close to the vest, worked their relationships with Presidents and other athletics personnel, and stayed below the radar through much of the process. It seems that's the game plan once again.

It's likely USF will look much more attractive to any conference a year from now. Attendance at football should be up significantly if early ticket sales are to be believed, and the team on the field should easily be the best of this decade. If the Big XII decides to delay expansion by a year, it seems USF's candidacy would be in a significantly stronger position.

--------

Academically USF stands head and shoulders above all other candidates except UConn, with both schools hoping to be on a path to eventual AAU membership. However no one we've talked to thinks that academic prestige will be a major factor in any Big XII decision.

Despite the lack of buzz around the Bulls in the media, USF is in constant contact with Big XII administrators. Those that would be decision makers are quite aware of the case for Tampa, with USF being informed and aware about current discussions. We can also confirm that some other schools, particularly Memphis, haven't been as tactful during this process, and it has rubbed some from the conference the wrong way.

So don't fret when you see USF far down the lists of potential schools. To the tiny sliver of folks that would make any expansion decision, they are well aware of the sunshine, massive market, and pile of potential upon which the Bulls exist.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/colleges/...id/2276345


TAMPA — With the idea of Big 12 expansion seemingly gaining more traction, USF athletic director Mark Harlan indicated to boosters Friday that the school is being "proactive" regarding the Bulls' future.

In a seven-paragraph letter sent to Bulls Club members and season-ticket holders, Harlan acknowledged national reports of "possible conference expansion and other potential realignments." He then noted a number of USF athletic accomplishments before trying to reassure supporters of the Bulls, who are in the American Athletic Conference, thirsting for Power Five status.

"Like many of our peers, we are also an aspirational institution and closely monitor any opportunities that would benefit USF athletics in the long term," Harlan wrote. "Rest assured, we have been proactive in exploring any and all opportunities that would support this program's singular focus on sustained excellence."

Harlan's letter comes in the wake of reports indicating presidents from Cincinnati and Memphis have made extensive efforts to promote their respective universities to Big 12 administrators. USF's efforts to curry favor with the Big 12 are believed to have been done more covertly to this point.

It almost sounds Like USF knows they are not going to get in so they are scraping anything they can together to be relevant.
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(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

They are if you take out UCONN, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UH, Temple
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(05-09-2016 05:22 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

They are if you take out UCONN, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UH, Temple

Cincy, BYU, Colorado State..
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LOL. Relax no one on this board will decide which school if any will get chosen by Big12 and obviously some of you know zilch about USF.
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(05-09-2016 05:00 PM)Bull Wrote:  This stuff should be mostly behind closed doors. No need to tear down your current house on the 'possibility' of getting a better house.

All someone needs is to file a FOI request and it becomes public. Utter nonsense that USF is going about it differently.
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(05-09-2016 05:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:00 PM)Bull Wrote:  This stuff should be mostly behind closed doors. No need to tear down your current house on the 'possibility' of getting a better house.

All someone needs is to file a FOI request and it becomes public. Utter nonsense that USF is going about it differently.

What is that request going to get you if those contacting the Big12 are not USF officials?
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(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

Yeah, I stopped reading there.

This article lacks any credibility, therefore I do not care.
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(05-09-2016 06:03 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

Yeah, I stopped reading there.

This article lacks any credibility, therefore I do not care.

Agreed!
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(05-09-2016 06:26 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 06:03 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

Yeah, I stopped reading there.

This article lacks any credibility, therefore I do not care.

Agreed!

03-lmfao no one cares what anyone on this boards thinks about who should get into Big12
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(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

So his sources are wrong in your opinion.
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(05-09-2016 05:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:00 PM)Bull Wrote:  This stuff should be mostly behind closed doors. No need to tear down your current house on the 'possibility' of getting a better house.

All someone needs is to file a FOI request and it becomes public. Utter nonsense that USF is going about it differently.

They're going about it similar, they're just not chirping to the media about it every 2 seconds. Same EXACT thing happened when USF got into Big East. Review history
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(05-09-2016 05:52 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:00 PM)Bull Wrote:  This stuff should be mostly behind closed doors. No need to tear down your current house on the 'possibility' of getting a better house.

All someone needs is to file a FOI request and it becomes public. Utter nonsense that USF is going about it differently.

What is that request going to get you if those contacting the Big12 are not USF officials?

Even going through a third party, if the request is for any and all documents related to the Big XII, they would have to be released.
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(05-09-2016 07:00 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:52 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:00 PM)Bull Wrote:  This stuff should be mostly behind closed doors. No need to tear down your current house on the 'possibility' of getting a better house.

All someone needs is to file a FOI request and it becomes public. Utter nonsense that USF is going about it differently.

What is that request going to get you if those contacting the Big12 are not USF officials?

Even going through a third party, if the request is for any and all documents related to the Big XII, they would have to be released.

True...but usf pres Genshaft is a veteran of the game...as she tries to avoid email on sensitive subjects (i.e. phone calls are not recorded, just the destinations of them).
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(05-09-2016 07:00 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:52 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:00 PM)Bull Wrote:  This stuff should be mostly behind closed doors. No need to tear down your current house on the 'possibility' of getting a better house.

All someone needs is to file a FOI request and it becomes public. Utter nonsense that USF is going about it differently.

What is that request going to get you if those contacting the Big12 are not USF officials?

Even going through a third party, if the request is for any and all documents related to the Big XII, they would have to be released.

And I doubt you will find any USF official listed as delivering those documents.
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USF will never be in the same conference as Texas after ripping off the hook em hand signal
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(05-09-2016 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

So his sources are wrong in your opinion.
The guy that runs that blog is the most delusional USF fan on the Internet.

He thinks he is some sort of reliable source bc he worked at USF over a decade ago , he doesn't realize that Lee Roy Selmon is not walking through that door. The current situation at USF is very different , they are not even top 3 in Booster Donations in the AAC
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(05-09-2016 08:00 PM)knightastic Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

So his sources are wrong in your opinion.
The guy that runs that blog is the most delusional USF fan on the Internet.

He thinks he is some sort of reliable source bc he worked at USF over a decade ago , he doesn't realize that Lee Roy Selmon is not walking through that door. The current situation at USF is very different , they are not even top 3 in Booster Donations in the AAC

He is a USF fan but he still talked to sources within USF and Big 12. You can do both.
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