(04-27-2016 07:11 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 06:58 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 06:53 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 05:24 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:23 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  and people can talk about atmosphere all they want... no 40K seat stadium has the atmosphere of when we filled ray jay.

Actually, because USF I think has had just 1 actual crowd in their history over 60,000...odds of potentially filling a 40,000 seat on-campus stadium are much greater for USF (most college stadiums have seating MUCH closer to the field than most NFL stadiums, like RJS), and thats why the "atmosphere" at most college stadiums is generally much better than even a "filled" NFL stadium for a college game...which rarely has ever happened in USF's history.

You don't have a stadium for that "one or two games every decade"...you build on-campus stadium for all games...plus the school pride that comes with it 365 days a year...something every visitor to campus usually sees....let alone the benefit of how on-campus college football games are the #1 event that brings in alumni, donors, fans, potential students to campus...which helps keep everyone "engaged".

I understand all of what your saying but I am simply pointing out that a packed crowd of 40K just doesnt get me all that excited...

Well...you will never ever know until you experience one.

Same goes for a "packed" 7,000-8,000 seat college basketball arena is much more exciting than a full NHL/NBA 18,000-20,000 seat arena (which for most AAC schools would never ever happen)...with a majority of their seats SO FAR from the court.

Sounds like you need to experience some on-campus college sporting events outside your own....as exciting atmosphere is there on a regular basis...much more so than the few games per decade that USF might get 60,000 fans to a game (where half the crowd is probably cheering for the opposition, i.e. FSU).

If you have ever traveled to dozens and dozens of college sporting events across the country like many of us have done...you wouldn't be so unhung up on a "number" of seats or attendance...as you would easily understand "great atmosphere" has almost nothing to do with that.

Example: Oregon's Autzen Stadium...who's capacity is less than half of the biggest stadiums in the country yet boasts what many say is the "best atmosphere" for college football.

Similar to Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium...who's capacity is less than half of its neighbor rival UNC...yet almost every visitor says the atmosphere at CIS is much more exciting than UNC's NBA/NHL like Dean Dome.

I actually grew up in Indiana and went to MANY of their games, which were sold out. Ive also been to Notre Dame a few times, which has every game sold out since the late 70s....plus Michigan, Ohio St, Tennesee, Purdue...UCF (ive been to a few places)
I know the difference and I can tell you that the Bounce House even when packed isnt all that loud in comparison. Having an open aluminum stadium doesnt seem to magnify the sound like Ray Jay. We had about 30K at our game with UCF and it was louder in that half empty stadium that was at Brighthouse. Design makes a difference.
I also love the luxury of Ray Jay. Ive club level seats and theres no college that has a club level like Ray Jay. Yes its themed different than the bulls. That I dont like but between putting my university $100 million in debt or using the nicest stadium in the State... yep, Ill stick with what we have until it becomes economically better for USF to build. We already have enough space and plenty of donors. Hell, USF took in over $50 million in large donations last year and has raised over $900 million on our fundraising campain. We can do it, but theres not a point in doing it right now.

Considering the objective basis on which your conclusion was drawn it is clear your opinion is completely unbiased. **I have been to many stadiums around the country and the pirate ship stadium even when packed isnt all that loud in comparison. Having a pirate ship doesn't seem to magnify the sound like UCF's OCS. We had about 30K at some of our games last year and it was louder in that mostly empty stadium than it ever is at ray j.**

yep, you nailed me. I completely do not have the ability to compare sound. Excellent point... and of course it a three story concrete stadium wouldnt retain sound better than a flat two story aluminum stadium.

Glad you were here to clarify.

(04-27-2016 07:33 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  yep, you nailed me. I completely do not have the ability to compare sound. Excellent point... and of course it a three story concrete stadium wouldnt retain sound better than a flat two story aluminum stadium.

Glad you were here to clarify.

The stadium is not as important as the game being played. I have watched UCF play at OSU, UF, BYU, BC, AS, Tex, UGA, S. Car, GT, Wisc and more. Those stadiums were not loud because it was UCF. I am willing to bet the same would be true for USF. I have also been to the UF/FSU game at UF, USCe Clemson at USC, OSU/Mich at OSU, and those stadiums are LOUD. For games that actually mean something those stadiums are loud.

BHNS can get very loud, not as loud as the 80,000 plus stadiums, but plenty loud to cause difficulty. USF fans are so used to bashing UCF's stadium and saying things like they would never build an OCS unless it was concrete etc... that they are incapable of actually admitting that the atmosphere at BHNS is really great and that their program would be enhanced by a similar OCS. A 45,000 seat aluminum OCS for USF would be a better atmosphere for them. Having the traditions on campus has raised UCF's student involvement immensely and USF would get the same boost.

(04-27-2016 07:11 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 06:58 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 06:53 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 05:24 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 08:23 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  and people can talk about atmosphere all they want... no 40K seat stadium has the atmosphere of when we filled ray jay.

Actually, because USF I think has had just 1 actual crowd in their history over 60,000...odds of potentially filling a 40,000 seat on-campus stadium are much greater for USF (most college stadiums have seating MUCH closer to the field than most NFL stadiums, like RJS), and thats why the "atmosphere" at most college stadiums is generally much better than even a "filled" NFL stadium for a college game...which rarely has ever happened in USF's history.

You don't have a stadium for that "one or two games every decade"...you build on-campus stadium for all games...plus the school pride that comes with it 365 days a year...something every visitor to campus usually sees....let alone the benefit of how on-campus college football games are the #1 event that brings in alumni, donors, fans, potential students to campus...which helps keep everyone "engaged".

I understand all of what your saying but I am simply pointing out that a packed crowd of 40K just doesnt get me all that excited...

Well...you will never ever know until you experience one.

Same goes for a "packed" 7,000-8,000 seat college basketball arena is much more exciting than a full NHL/NBA 18,000-20,000 seat arena (which for most AAC schools would never ever happen)...with a majority of their seats SO FAR from the court.

Sounds like you need to experience some on-campus college sporting events outside your own....as exciting atmosphere is there on a regular basis...much more so than the few games per decade that USF might get 60,000 fans to a game (where half the crowd is probably cheering for the opposition, i.e. FSU).

If you have ever traveled to dozens and dozens of college sporting events across the country like many of us have done...you wouldn't be so unhung up on a "number" of seats or attendance...as you would easily understand "great atmosphere" has almost nothing to do with that.

Example: Oregon's Autzen Stadium...who's capacity is less than half of the biggest stadiums in the country yet boasts what many say is the "best atmosphere" for college football.

Similar to Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium...who's capacity is less than half of its neighbor rival UNC...yet almost every visitor says the atmosphere at CIS is much more exciting than UNC's NBA/NHL like Dean Dome.

I actually grew up in Indiana and went to MANY of their games, which were sold out. Ive also been to Notre Dame a few times, which has every game sold out since the late 70s....plus Michigan, Ohio St, Tennesee, Purdue...UCF (ive been to a few places)
I know the difference and I can tell you that the Bounce House even when packed isnt all that loud in comparison. Having an open aluminum stadium doesnt seem to magnify the sound like Ray Jay. We had about 30K at our game with UCF and it was louder in that half empty stadium that was at Brighthouse. Design makes a difference.
I also love the luxury of Ray Jay. Ive club level seats and theres no college that has a club level like Ray Jay. Yes its themed different than the bulls. That I dont like but between putting my university $100 million in debt or using the nicest stadium in the State... yep, Ill stick with what we have until it becomes economically better for USF to build. We already have enough space and plenty of donors. Hell, USF took in over $50 million in large donations last year and has raised over $900 million on our fundraising campain. We can do it, but theres not a point in doing it right now.

You make a compelling case. I'm with you, I hope USF is in Ray j forever.

(04-26-2016 02:56 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 01:59 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 01:39 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 01:17 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 12:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  USF doesn't need an OCS. They have an awesome stadium that they play in now. Waste of money.

Everyone needs an ocs. It elevates the prestige of the school and makes the conference look better.

Not true, its better to play in an NFL stadium than to play in a stadium on campus if the OCS can only be built with limited funds. Upgrading said OCS down the road when more money becomes available is dumb and makes you seem like a poor. We live in America where everyone should max out all credit lines and worry about paying for it later.

If that where true how come the majority of schools have an ocs? Even Tulane preferred an OCS over the Superdome. Why didn't ucf just stay in the citrus bowl?

Super Dome was always too big for Tulane a small private school. UCF was kind of push into building an OCS because the Citrus Bowl which was an awful facility and not comparable to RJS was going to go under remodeling and UCF could had been without a place to play while renovating.
Majority of schools are old enough to have built their OCS years ago before NFL stadiums were built.
Listen I want an OCS and I think an OCS adds a lot to the college football experience but I also know that playing in an NFL stadium has its perks.
USF will built an OCS in time but probably not in the next 5 years unless the Big12 says they require one for expansion or the Bucs raise our rents to an amount where is not financially a good move to stay.

UCF would probably still be in the Citrus Bowl if they had not been forced out. We would probably be still "waiting for the right time" to fund an OCS. We had problems getting state funding for a downtown campus that serves the students and the city, I can only image how hard it would have been to come up with 100 million to build a cement castle, especially if those opposed had the ability to say "why don't you just stay in the Citrus Bowl".

UCF Built the stadium for around 50 Million and the return on the investment has been incredible. I doubt that paying an additional 40 million for better aesthetics would have added any real additional value other than pride.

(04-27-2016 08:39 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 07:11 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 06:58 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 06:53 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 05:24 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Actually, because USF I think has had just 1 actual crowd in their history over 60,000...odds of potentially filling a 40,000 seat on-campus stadium are much greater for USF (most college stadiums have seating MUCH closer to the field than most NFL stadiums, like RJS), and thats why the "atmosphere" at most college stadiums is generally much better than even a "filled" NFL stadium for a college game...which rarely has ever happened in USF's history.

You don't have a stadium for that "one or two games every decade"...you build on-campus stadium for all games...plus the school pride that comes with it 365 days a year...something every visitor to campus usually sees....let alone the benefit of how on-campus college football games are the #1 event that brings in alumni, donors, fans, potential students to campus...which helps keep everyone "engaged".

I understand all of what your saying but I am simply pointing out that a packed crowd of 40K just doesnt get me all that excited...

Well...you will never ever know until you experience one.

Same goes for a "packed" 7,000-8,000 seat college basketball arena is much more exciting than a full NHL/NBA 18,000-20,000 seat arena (which for most AAC schools would never ever happen)...with a majority of their seats SO FAR from the court.

Sounds like you need to experience some on-campus college sporting events outside your own....as exciting atmosphere is there on a regular basis...much more so than the few games per decade that USF might get 60,000 fans to a game (where half the crowd is probably cheering for the opposition, i.e. FSU).

If you have ever traveled to dozens and dozens of college sporting events across the country like many of us have done...you wouldn't be so unhung up on a "number" of seats or attendance...as you would easily understand "great atmosphere" has almost nothing to do with that.

Example: Oregon's Autzen Stadium...who's capacity is less than half of the biggest stadiums in the country yet boasts what many say is the "best atmosphere" for college football.

Similar to Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium...who's capacity is less than half of its neighbor rival UNC...yet almost every visitor says the atmosphere at CIS is much more exciting than UNC's NBA/NHL like Dean Dome.

I actually grew up in Indiana and went to MANY of their games, which were sold out. Ive also been to Notre Dame a few times, which has every game sold out since the late 70s....plus Michigan, Ohio St, Tennesee, Purdue...UCF (ive been to a few places)
I know the difference and I can tell you that the Bounce House even when packed isnt all that loud in comparison. Having an open aluminum stadium doesnt seem to magnify the sound like Ray Jay. We had about 30K at our game with UCF and it was louder in that half empty stadium that was at Brighthouse. Design makes a difference.
I also love the luxury of Ray Jay. Ive club level seats and theres no college that has a club level like Ray Jay. Yes its themed different than the bulls. That I dont like but between putting my university $100 million in debt or using the nicest stadium in the State... yep, Ill stick with what we have until it becomes economically better for USF to build. We already have enough space and plenty of donors. Hell, USF took in over $50 million in large donations last year and has raised over $900 million on our fundraising campain. We can do it, but theres not a point in doing it right now.

You make a compelling case. I'm with you, I hope USF is in Ray j forever.

Too late buddy! We hate RJS now. The new 55K seat USF stadium, on campus, concrete and steel, all chair backs, and GREEN chair backs, will be completed within 6 years. The 'Zfred' deck (5K seats) will be the most popular party-zone for students.

LOL. Never ends.

Anyways. RJS is a fine stadium to be at the moment but as I said earlier the wheels are in motion for an OCS to be built. This will not happen in the next 5 years unless as I stated the Big12 told USF that it was needed for expansion consideration or RJS hiked the rent up.
The MOSI move which will physically happen in the next 5 year period will allow USF to consider that are as an option, but there are also oncampus areas that are being studied at the moment. You can bet that when USF officially announces an OCS as I said 5-7 year period, location and a great part of the funding would had been decided upon, it will not be a fancy stadium like we have at RJS but it would also not be the cheapest it could be stadium that would be the option if we were pushed into with no time to plan it.
At the end I would think that a 45-50K stadium at a cost of 120-150 million will probably be the goal. USF moves slowly on projects but when they do build them they are pretty good.
Until then RJS will be our home and if we continue to win you will see attendance go up and 65k+ crowds like you will see for the FSU-USF game this year and the atmosphere at that game will be awesome. Just as those USF fans that were there for the West Virginia game or Temple fans that were at their games vs Penn State and Notre Dame.

If you win crowds will come and games will be exciting, if you stink it doesnt matter where you play or who you play no one will be excited to see you get blasted at home on a consistent basis.

(04-27-2016 11:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. Never ends.

Anyways. RJS is a fine stadium to be at the moment but as I said earlier the wheels are in motion for an OCS to be built. This will not happen in the next 5 years unless as I stated the Big12 told USF that it was needed for expansion consideration or RJS hiked the rent up.
The MOSI move which will physically happen in the next 5 year period will allow USF to consider that are as an option, but there are also oncampus areas that are being studied at the moment. You can bet that when USF officially announces an OCS as I said 5-7 year period, location and a great part of the funding would had been decided upon, it will not be a fancy stadium like we have at RJS but it would also not be the cheapest it could be stadium that would be the option if we were pushed into with no time to plan it.
At the end I would think that a 45-50K stadium at a cost of 120-150 million will probably be the goal. USF moves slowly on projects but when they do build them they are pretty good.
Until then RJS will be our home and if we continue to win you will see attendance go up and 65k+ crowds like you will see for the FSU-USF game this year and the atmosphere at that game will be awesome. Just as those USF fans that were there for the West Virginia game or Temple fans that were at their games vs Penn State and Notre Dame.

If you win crowds will come and games will be exciting, if you stink it doesnt matter where you play or who you play no one will be excited to see you get blasted at home on a consistent basis.

Ftr this rule does not apply to porn stars.

USF needs to dominate the Tampa media market before they start building an OCS.

(04-29-2016 09:22 AM)Bear Wrote:  USF needs to dominate the Tampa media market before they start building an OCS.

An OCS might help Tampa with that, though. It would at least help to get alumni back on campus, which is always a good thing for donations and such.

(04-29-2016 09:58 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 09:22 AM)Bear Wrote:  USF needs to dominate the Tampa media market before they start building an OCS.

An OCS might help Tampa with that, though. It would at least help to get alumni back on campus, which is always a good thing for donations and such.

It definitely helped Houston and it's fan base. When we were in the dome we hardly ever had any fans show up because of the distance. Now that we have an OCS the student section is always packed and we average 30k fans no matter what for the most part.

(04-29-2016 09:22 AM)Bear Wrote:  USF needs to dominate the Tampa media market before they start building an OCS.

I can tell you with absolute unequivocation, the ocs was a boon for UCF. It would do the same for USF, no doubt.

(04-29-2016 02:15 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 09:22 AM)Bear Wrote:  USF needs to dominate the Tampa media market before they start building an OCS.

I can tell you with absolute unequivocation, the ocs was a boon for UCF. It would do the same for USF, no doubt.

that seems apparent; but the costs are what concerns me

It'll be pricey that's for sure. The intangibles are worth it though. We saw an increase in attendance, revenue, and donations despite the expense.

(05-05-2016 01:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  It'll be pricey that's for sure. The intangibles are worth it though. We saw an increase in attendance, revenue, and donations despite the expense.

This. USF needs to make the OCS happen.

My guess is that the OCS will happen in conjunction with a P5 invite or after, not before.

(04-19-2016 03:46 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Today the board of MOSI which sits adjacent to USF and has been identified as a possible OCS site voted to move downtown, opening the way for the County to work with USF on the future of the site. We will know more later this week when the county board meets.

Sad to see MOSI go as it has been a friendly fixture across from USF for 35 years.

But if it means an OCS, i'm happy.

Well get a stadium either way. Theres two spots on campus but we prefer MOSI. I like RJS alot but I see the advantages of an OCS... I just dont want to give up an amazing stadium 8 miles away to play in a crappy tin can. If we can build something nice with chairbacks and a lounge then I am for it.

I like that USF takes its time on these things because we build quality when we build. All of our facilities are really nice now and the wait was worth it.

(05-06-2016 01:11 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Well get a stadium either way. Theres two spots on campus but we prefer MOSI. I like RJS alot but I see the advantages of an OCS... I just dont want to give up an amazing stadium 8 miles away to play in a crappy tin can. If we can build something nice with chairbacks and a lounge then I am for it.

I like that USF takes its time on these things because we build quality when we build. All of our facilities are really nice now and the wait was worth it.

Its nice when you aren't forced out of the stadium you rely on and have time to fund, plan and build a stadium the way you want it. But I'm gonna assume the tin can comment was a shot at UCF and I wouldn't trade our situation for yours. We are now able to upgrade and build upon what we already have. Our stadium will look very different than it does now in 10 years and you wont be able to make your petty and snide comments.

(05-06-2016 04:24 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:11 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Well get a stadium either way. Theres two spots on campus but we prefer MOSI. I like RJS alot but I see the advantages of an OCS... I just dont want to give up an amazing stadium 8 miles away to play in a crappy tin can. If we can build something nice with chairbacks and a lounge then I am for it.

I like that USF takes its time on these things because we build quality when we build. All of our facilities are really nice now and the wait was worth it.

Its nice when you aren't forced out of the stadium you rely on and have time to fund, plan and build a stadium the way you want it. But I'm gonna assume the tin can comment was a shot at UCF and I wouldn't trade our situation for yours. We are now able to upgrade and build upon what we already have. Our stadium will look very different than it does now in 10 years and you wont be able to make your petty and snide comments.

Don't bother explaining. Medlin will always find an anti-UCF angle. Better to just ignore him. Good luck to USF and your OCS.