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IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
I don't think the A vs B thing matters anymore. JMO as the conference is perceived entirely differently now
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

With all due respect I think it’s been documented that the programs and markets in the AAC command the highest TV contract revenue of the G5, what business sense would it make (especially if the AAC lost only 1 school) to completely blow up the conference to merge with a group of schools which it’s just been demonstrated doesn’t attract much TV revenue?

I think if the AAC lost only UC, I would think the pecking order should be BYU (if still available), Army, and then Air Force to fill that single spot. If the AAC couldn’t land any of those 3 I think they can cherry pick whichever program from CUSA or MAC they wish to fill the hole and really not miss a beat.
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(05-06-2016 08:27 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

With all due respect I think it’s been documented that the programs and markets in the AAC command the highest TV contract revenue of the G5, what business sense would it make (especially if the AAC lost only 1 school) to completely blow up the conference to merge with a group of schools which it’s just been demonstrated doesn’t attract much TV revenue?

I think if the AAC lost only UC, I would think the pecking order should be BYU (if still available), Army, and then Air Force to fill that single spot. If the AAC couldn’t land any of those 3 I think they can cherry pick whichever program from CUSA or MAC they wish to fill the hole and really not miss a beat.

BYU is probably going to the Big12, Army brings little to no value, their name is popular but product is not. Air Force fits pretty good in the mountian west. The funny thing is that the AAC members think that they are all equal when in reality is a few teams that float the whole conference.
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

I'm not scoffing. I'm projectile vomiting. UConn would drop back to FCS if that was our only option.
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(05-06-2016 08:03 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Lose 1- add 1
Lose 2- stand pat
Lose 3 or more- add back to 10

I think this is right.

Group A1 candidates: BYU, Air Force, Army

Group A2 candidates: other MWC schools

Group Z candidates: other G5
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(05-06-2016 08:38 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:27 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

With all due respect I think it’s been documented that the programs and markets in the AAC command the highest TV contract revenue of the G5, what business sense would it make (especially if the AAC lost only 1 school) to completely blow up the conference to merge with a group of schools which it’s just been demonstrated doesn’t attract much TV revenue?

I think if the AAC lost only UC, I would think the pecking order should be BYU (if still available), Army, and then Air Force to fill that single spot. If the AAC couldn’t land any of those 3 I think they can cherry pick whichever program from CUSA or MAC they wish to fill the hole and really not miss a beat.

BYU is probably going to the Big12, Army brings little to no value, their name is popular but product is not. Air Force fits pretty good in the mountian west. The funny thing is that the AAC members think that they are all equal when in reality is a few teams that float the whole conference.

I don’t disagree on your assessment at all, BYU would be a good target for the Big 12 but for some reason (maybe religious restrictions) they don’t seem sold on them.

Army brings 2 things to the table. The number 1 media market in the country being located 30 miles from NYC, and the Army Navy game becomes a conference game, and it’s all about money.

AFA same thing, I also believe they are happy in the MWC but the unequal revenue sharing TV deal the conference has and the chance to be in a conference with Navy may be enough to get them to listen, but again it’s a long shot.

On your last part you are correct to some extent. There are a few teams that float the conference from a performance standpoint, UConn basketball, Houston football ect, but the markets are what also make the conference, and because of those markets the potential exposure is tremendous.

Two examples, last year’s SMU’s basketball team was 18-0 and getting a ton of publicity even though they were ineligible for the NCAA tournament, it’s because it’s SMU and they are in Dallas. Last year a 7-0 Temple football team is playing ND and ends up getting college game day, now a big part of that was ND being in the game but also part of that was because Temple is in Philly. Location isn’t the only part of driving this type of exposure, the performance has to be there (don’t forget the AAC did get 4 teams in the NCAA even with an ineligible SMU team left home and at one time last season had Houston, Navy, Memphis and Temple all ranked in the top 25 in football), my point is when the performance is there, because of the major metropolitan areas the schools are located in the conference gets noticed.
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(05-06-2016 09:08 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

I'm not scoffing. I'm projectile vomiting. UConn would drop back to FCS if that was our only option.

Haha fair enough, I feel bad for UCONN, probably a no brainer for the ACC if they had a football team, or the Big 12 if they were actually near anything. They are stuck in the AAC and feel like they are better than all their peers
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 09:08 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

I'm not scoffing. I'm projectile vomiting. UConn would drop back to FCS if that was our only option.

I was going to add Temple goes back to independent.
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Does the AAC not care about geographical footprint at all, or would you just want any team 3000 miles away if they had a good market?
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(05-06-2016 09:16 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:08 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

I'm not scoffing. I'm projectile vomiting. UConn would drop back to FCS if that was our only option.

I was going to add Temple goes back to independent.

My first draft suggested Temple and UConn would rather go to the MAC, but I realized that wasn't drastic enough to make my point. 04-cheers
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(05-06-2016 09:18 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Does the AAC not care about geographical footprint at all, or would you just want any team 3000 miles away if they had a good market?

The AAC wants what every conference wants, to be relevant. So if that requires a team 3000 miles away then absolutely.
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(05-06-2016 09:18 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Does the AAC not care about geographical footprint at all, or would you just want any team 3000 miles away if they had a good market?

We stretch from New England to Tulsa, Oklahoma. What geographic footprint?
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(05-06-2016 07:49 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 12:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think there are only 3 additions that would actually increase the value of the league that are even semi reasonable. Those are Army, Air Force, and BYU. If we got down to 10 I would only go back to 12 if at least 1 of those 3 were onboard. Otherwise just stay at 10.

Western wing really needs to pay out for that hassle and I don't see it. BYU, Air Force, Boise State, and SDSU are the only ones that could increase our value. We would need to get a pod setup so all sports is manageable with travel. Then hopefully get regional Olympic sports on board with Gonzaga (West), Wichita State (Central), and VCU (East).

Tricky to get these schools to come if we lose basketball powers of the league.

I'm not saying anything about the whole "western wing" strategy. I think we've long since seen there really isn't the money out there to make that worth it. Also the 3 I mentioned would almost assuredly be FB only like Navy. I don't think BYU is reasonable but I mentioned them just for the hell of it. I don't care how bad Army is in football, they could never win a game for all I care, but having the entire value of the Army-Navy game for the league alone makes the league money. CBS currently pays 5 million a year for that game alone and there's talk CBS will probably be willing to pay double that to keep it when that deal expires in 2018. That one game alone will be worth half of our entire current TV deal. If you could get Army and Air Force to join and have control of all the commander in cheif's games that would be huge.
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(05-06-2016 09:18 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Does the AAC not care about geographical footprint at all, or would you just want any team 3000 miles away if they had a good market?

Honestly, as a fan I wish we did, I love geographic rivalries but if it takes being spread out to get the best TV deal from an exposure and revenue standpoint then so be it.
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(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.
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IF we lose a school or two, we should just go to ESPN and ask them who they want us to add, if anybody.
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(05-06-2016 09:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.

Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA
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Its gonna be Southern Miss. End this dumb thread
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(05-06-2016 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.

Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA

I view the Funbelt over CUSA.
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