Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

Only if it is an all-sports invite as part of a larger western expansion: BYU, Boise St., SDSU, and one or some of AFA/UNLV/CSU/NM/Fresno.

(05-05-2016 05:20 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

Only if it is an all-sports invite as part of a larger western expansion: BYU, Boise St., SDSU, and one or some of AFA/UNLV/CSU/NM/Fresno.

That would be the best possible outcome for the AAC. That would be a pretty good consolation prize for us Houston fans if we get passed over by the Big12 (again....).

No

BYU will NOT join a non-power conference as long as Utah is in a power conference. That's a fact. The politics behind this is bigger than sports, so i don't see it changing anytime soon

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(05-05-2016 05:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  No

BYU will NOT join a non-power conference as long as Utah is in a power conference. That's a fact. The politics behind this is bigger than sports, so i don't see it changing anytime soon

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Please explain that a little more.

(05-05-2016 06:00 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  No

BYU will NOT join a non-power conference as long as Utah is in a power conference. That's a fact. The politics behind this is bigger than sports, so i don't see it changing anytime soon

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Please explain that a little more.

Utah's in a P5 conference. If BYU joins a G5 conference, even if it's the AAC, they might as well place a front-page ad in the Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News that reads WE GIVE UP. The optics behind taking a subservient position to Utah would be astronomically bad. If it wasn't that big a deal, they probably would still be in the Mountain West now.

Unless the AAC manages to finagle a spot at the power-tier level, I can't see any benefit to BYU moving there. They'll keep on being independent in football and WCC in everything else.

(05-05-2016 06:10 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:00 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  No

BYU will NOT join a non-power conference as long as Utah is in a power conference. That's a fact. The politics behind this is bigger than sports, so i don't see it changing anytime soon

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Please explain that a little more.

Utah's in a P5 conference. If BYU joins a G5 conference, even if it's the AAC, they might as well place a front-page ad in the Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News that reads WE GIVE UP. The optics behind taking a subservient position to Utah would be astronomically bad. If it wasn't that big a deal, they probably would still be in the Mountain West now.

Unless the AAC manages to finagle a spot at the power-tier level, I can't see any benefit to BYU moving there. They'll keep on being independent in football and WCC in everything else.

Thanks, i was typing something up but yours was MUCH more cohesive

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(05-05-2016 06:10 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Unless the AAC manages to finagle a spot at the power-tier level, I can't see any benefit to BYU moving there. They'll keep on being independent in football and WCC in everything else.

Yes ... the "fill in the blank" to get a positive response for the subject line, "Would BYU join the AAC if ..." is: " ... the AAC became an acknowledge Power conference or else Utah abandoned the PAC for the MWC."

BYU is clearly not going to willingly join a conference "which the schools in Utah's conference goes to when they want to schedule guarantee home games."

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

Yes they would. If the AAC loses two schools I see BYU having a real chance at an AAC invite.
Cheers!

It would take something drastic to get BYU out of the WCC. September will mark year #6 of them in that conference.

(05-05-2016 09:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

Yes they would. If the AAC loses two schools I see BYU having a real chance at an AAC invite.
Cheers!

I'm in 100% agreement with you that the AAC would offer BYU an all sports invite. Where we disagree is whether or not BYU would accept. I (and most BYU fans and most anyone with knowledge of the Utah political system) know that BYU would say "thanks, but no thanks". You seem to think the AAC is appealing to them. The AAC has no appeal to BYU without the Power status. They don't care about "tweener" status or "G4" or any other fan made term that helps the fans cope better with not being in a power conference, they care about status and how they look to the people of Salt Lake City and Mormons around the country. Joining a G5 league (which is what the AAC is, remember) is basically saying "you won Utah, we give up". There is NO chance of that happening.

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(05-05-2016 11:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 09:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

Yes they would. If the AAC loses two schools I see BYU having a real chance at an AAC invite.
Cheers!

I'm in 100% agreement with you that the AAC would offer BYU an all sports invite. Where we disagree is whether or not BYU would accept. I (and most BYU fans and most anyone with knowledge of the Utah political system) know that BYU would say "thanks, but no thanks". You seem to think the AAC is appealing to them. The AAC has no appeal to BYU without the Power status. They don't care about "tweener" status or "G4" or any other fan made term that helps the fans cope better with not being in a power conference, they care about status and how they look to the people of Salt Lake City and Mormons around the country. Joining a G5 league (which is what the AAC is, remember) is basically saying "you won Utah, we give up". There is NO chance of that happening.

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Cool story brah

(05-05-2016 11:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 11:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 09:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

Yes they would. If the AAC loses two schools I see BYU having a real chance at an AAC invite.
Cheers!

I'm in 100% agreement with you that the AAC would offer BYU an all sports invite. Where we disagree is whether or not BYU would accept. I (and most BYU fans and most anyone with knowledge of the Utah political system) know that BYU would say "thanks, but no thanks". You seem to think the AAC is appealing to them. The AAC has no appeal to BYU without the Power status. They don't care about "tweener" status or "G4" or any other fan made term that helps the fans cope better with not being in a power conference, they care about status and how they look to the people of Salt Lake City and Mormons around the country. Joining a G5 league (which is what the AAC is, remember) is basically saying "you won Utah, we give up". There is NO chance of that happening.

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Cool story brah

I mean, can you refute anything i say with facts? I mean hell, I'm the king of delusions here but only when it comes to my school. Aside from that I'm a pretty level headed person. This in no way affects NIU so i have no reason for bias about it. I understand you have a vested interest if UH does not get the call up to the B12, so i can also understand why you'd disagree with me based on your self interests for your school. Notice i never claimed the AAC has no chance of becoming a Power conference? When the CFP expansion happens, i think the AAC will be in a prime spot to become a Power conference once more, hell it's why i want my school in there before the lifeboats are all TRULY gone. But my school aside, i think the AAC would do well to position themselves as the unquestioned heirs to the final Power conference spot. Keep getting to and winning access bowl spots, be in the talks to crash the CFP championship games, keep getting ranked and having multiple teams ranked. Basically, keep doing what y'all are doing.

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No.

(05-05-2016 06:10 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Utah's in a P5 conference. If BYU joins a G5 conference, even if it's the AAC, they might as well place a front-page ad in the Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News that reads WE GIVE UP.

That's one way to look at it. The other way is that 2 AAC teams got invites, and BYU didn't.
Is it giving up, or putting yourself in the best position?

AAC would have to get a contract = or bigger than BYU alone, and probably grab one to three MWC schools.

NO

(05-05-2016 06:10 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:00 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  No

BYU will NOT join a non-power conference as long as Utah is in a power conference. That's a fact. The politics behind this is bigger than sports, so i don't see it changing anytime soon

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Please explain that a little more.

Utah's in a P5 conference. If BYU joins a G5 conference, even if it's the AAC, they might as well place a front-page ad in the Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News that reads WE GIVE UP. The optics behind taking a subservient position to Utah would be astronomically bad. If it wasn't that big a deal, they probably would still be in the Mountain West now.

Unless the AAC manages to finagle a spot at the power-tier level, I can't see any benefit to BYU moving there. They'll keep on being independent in football and WCC in everything else.

Exactly. This would be like if Michigan State received a Big Ten invite while Michigan was on the outside looking in. Michigan would rather be independent for pure perception purposes than accept an invite from the AAC or MAC regardless of how much money is offered. Michigan believes that they are a more powerful school than Michigan State, so they would never, ever, ever, ever accept an institutional position that would suggest that they are inferior to MSU.

BYU accepting a G5 conference is structurally institutionalizing that Utah is more powerful than them. That is COMPLETELY unacceptable to BYU. Independence allows BYU to argue that they are still "special" compared to Utah (e.g. "We can get an independent TV contract with ESPN and have our own network that Utah could never get"), whereas BYU is institutionalizing that it's inferior to Utah by accepting any type of G5 invite (no matter how much money that G5 league might offer). The "Would BYU accept an invite to the AAC or MWC?" proposals are as likely as "Would Notre Dame accept an invite to the AAC or MWC?" proposals. I know a lot of G5 fans are in denial about this for some reason, but BYU is no more likely to join them than Notre Dame. They CANNOT institutionalize inferior status compared to Utah.

(05-05-2016 05:20 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?

Only if it is an all-sports invite as part of a larger western expansion: BYU, Boise St., SDSU, and one or some of AFA/UNLV/CSU/NM/Fresno.

This would be my hope for the AAC and honestly, the smartest play for all involved. It creates a "best of the rest" but Aresco would need to wheel and deal. I think it would take TV money equal or better than what BYU and BSU currently receive and somehow finagle an auto bid for that conference to an NY6 bowl. The American would be your official little brother Power.5 conference.

(05-05-2016 05:14 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Would BYU join the AAC (if invited) if the Big 12 turned them down?