(05-04-2016 11:58 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 09:50 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Texas sucks

You not gone. TCU paper

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-...95597.html

That makes no sense

Life makes no sense deal with it!

(05-04-2016 03:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...391254.php

UT officials clearly are not excited about the prospect of folding the Longhorn Network into a league-wide television network that would the conference more on even footing like the Southeastern, Pac 12 and Big Ten networks that have league networks.

In order to proceed with expansion, the Big 12 would need a super majority of eight votes. And the Enquirer reported that seven schools are believed to favor expansion.



The Cincinnati newspaper reported that UT is "believed to be influencing Texas Tech's and TCU's decision" on expansion.

Tech is one of UT's closest allies and have long been aligned since Tech joined the Southwest Conference in 1960.

And the paper reported that TCU is following UT's wishes in gratitude after former UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds' push to get the Horned Frogs into the Big 12 from their short tenure in the Big East in 2010.

Whether UT will have enough influence over the next few weeks will be a fascinating revelation in power politics.

And few schools in college athletics have played that better over the years than UT.

i hope this comes back to bite cincy in the ass and they get passed over again. Texas is hopefully reading the enquire and seeing them getting called out for influencing TCU and Tech and saying you know what, F*** it, we will let the conference expand but Cincy cannot be an option.

(05-04-2016 05:06 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If the Big 12 can talk Florida State and Notre Dame to the table and show them the chance to make $30m to $35m per year, I don't see Texas voting against expansion with this two as additions.

What fantasy world or WVU blogger did this gem spring from?

If you look at it from purely a business standpoint what does Texas stand to gain from expansion? IMO it’s a long shot and the only way Texas agrees to expansion is if the new programs come from the current group of P5 schools. I don’t see Texas willing to give up the money, power and brand exposure of the Longhorn Network for any of the AAC programs, or even BYU at this point, they see themselves in too high a light to slum it with 1 let alone 2 G5 teams.

The Big12 (AKA Texas) may vote in favor of expansion, but I think it will be conditional to the candidates being on a short list of P5 programs.

(05-05-2016 05:57 AM)Spinal070508 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...391254.php

UT officials clearly are not excited about the prospect of folding the Longhorn Network into a league-wide television network that would the conference more on even footing like the Southeastern, Pac 12 and Big Ten networks that have league networks.

In order to proceed with expansion, the Big 12 would need a super majority of eight votes. And the Enquirer reported that seven schools are believed to favor expansion.



The Cincinnati newspaper reported that UT is "believed to be influencing Texas Tech's and TCU's decision" on expansion.

Tech is one of UT's closest allies and have long been aligned since Tech joined the Southwest Conference in 1960.

And the paper reported that TCU is following UT's wishes in gratitude after former UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds' push to get the Horned Frogs into the Big 12 from their short tenure in the Big East in 2010.

Whether UT will have enough influence over the next few weeks will be a fascinating revelation in power politics.

And few schools in college athletics have played that better over the years than UT.

i hope this comes back to bite cincy in the ass and they get passed over again. Texas is hopefully reading the enquire and seeing them getting called out for influencing TCU and Tech and saying you know what, F*** it, we will let the conference expand but Cincy cannot be an option.

And it's Cincy's fault because a newspaper writes an article...the Enquirer historically has not been a huge supporter of UC Athletics

Maybe I don't understand how all of this works, but it seems to me that it is just arrogance to think that anyone outside the State of Texas gives a damn about the LHN and UT. Is this not why ESPN has been hemorrhaging money? So how would the "branding" be that important? Seems like a cop out for maintaining the power in the conference.

UT gets just as much exposure for its brand out of a B12 network with a wider demographic than the LHN which is limited to just UT fans.

(05-05-2016 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:06 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If the Big 12 can talk Florida State and Notre Dame to the table and show them the chance to make $30m to $35m per year, I don't see Texas voting against expansion with this two as additions.

What fantasy world of WVU blogger did this gem spring from?

I don't understand these people. You want to play in the Eastern time zone. The ACC may be a weaker conference but their time zone and population base will ALWAYS make them a better choice over the B12 and Pac12. 80% of the population lives east of the Mississippi river.

(05-04-2016 07:33 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Do you realize how a Big 12 with FSU would be much stronger than the current ACC?

FSU
Texas
TCU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Baylor

Those 6 would be perennial Top 25 programs in football, add to that Kansas State. That is 7 Top 25 caliber programs. The ACC doesn't have no more than 3, maybe 4 in their best year.

I agree. I think if they want Texas on board with expansion it has to be because they are going after the top teams. I league with Texas, Oklahoma and Florida St would be impressive. I do think to land a team like Florida St though the LHN network will need to be rolled into a conference network to entice them to leave. So Texas takes a slight hit on the front side but then has a conference network that has 3 teams that are arguable in the top tier and will command a lot more money. Add yearly contests of Oklahoma and Texas versus Florida St and those are big time games. Florida St flirted with the idea before so it isn't out of the realm of possibility. They simply need to make the case for it money wise that hey we can get SEC, Big 10 dollars or very close be combining these 3 premier brands together under one roof.

(05-04-2016 10:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:03 PM)Stooky57 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:34 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  So if tech and tcu have yet not decided for it than it means baylor is in favor of expansion. Weird

Because of their tiny location, tech should be favoring expansion too... I mean, if UT goes the independent route where will tech go??? Sorry but no way tech convinces anyone take them from their current address after they're left behind.

Tech, TCU and Baylor know they need Texas in Big12 or no one will pick them if Texas leaves, they will vote on whatever Lomhgorns want

good points cuban it makes sense, no expansion................

Baylor is currently a yes vote. They remember what happened the last time Texas pulled their stunt.

and please let me know what Baylor is going to do, if Texas says, ok you guys dont want to do what we want so we are going to Pac12?
Baylor KNOWS how close they were from being Houston, they better thread carefully or Bevo will crap on them.

(05-05-2016 08:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:06 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If the Big 12 can talk Florida State and Notre Dame to the table and show them the chance to make $30m to $35m per year, I don't see Texas voting against expansion with this two as additions.

What fantasy world of WVU blogger did this gem spring from?

I don't understand these people. You want to play in the Eastern time zone. The ACC may be a weaker conference but their time zone and population base will ALWAYS make them a better choice over the B12 and Pac12. 80% of the population lives east of the Mississippi river.

I know exactly where you are coming from because I used to think this, BUT with the B1G new money, I am fairly convinced they are targeting UVa and UNC.

If that ever happens, the only other market driver in the entire conference is FSU (given Miami's weakness). And FSU might look around and say, um, BC, Wake Forest, little burgs in Syracuse and Louisville, Blacksburg, uh, we might look better hanging out with Texas and also taking Clemson with us.

If UVa and UNC go, the ACC loses most of its appeal.

So I agree that right now the ACC has huge population centers, but many of the schools tied to those centers are small. The ACC simply can't afford to lose UNC and Virginia, because if that happens, the B12 instantly becomes the more viable conference.

(05-04-2016 07:33 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Do you realize how a Big 12 with FSU would be much stronger than the current ACC?

FSU
Texas
TCU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Baylor

Those 6 would be perennial Top 25 programs in football, add to that Kansas State. That is 7 Top 25 caliber programs. The ACC doesn't have no more than 3, maybe 4 in their best year.

That would be stupid on FSU's part. They are in a larger population footprint and in the Eastern timezone. The ACC is in the stronger position.

(05-05-2016 10:06 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 08:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:06 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If the Big 12 can talk Florida State and Notre Dame to the table and show them the chance to make $30m to $35m per year, I don't see Texas voting against expansion with this two as additions.

What fantasy world of WVU blogger did this gem spring from?

I don't understand these people. You want to play in the Eastern time zone. The ACC may be a weaker conference but their time zone and population base will ALWAYS make them a better choice over the B12 and Pac12. 80% of the population lives east of the Mississippi river.

I know exactly where you are coming from because I used to think this, BUT with the B1G new money, I am fairly convinced they are targeting UVa and UNC.

If that ever happens, the only other market driver in the entire conference is FSU (given Miami's weakness). And FSU might look around and say, um, BC, Wake Forest, little burgs in Syracuse and Louisville, Blacksburg, uh, we might look better hanging out with Texas and also taking Clemson with us.

If UVa and UNC go, the ACC loses most of its appeal.

So I agree that right now the ACC has huge population centers, but many of the schools tied to those centers are small. The ACC simply can't afford to lose UNC and Virginia, because if that happens, the B12 instantly becomes the more viable conference.

I think the B1G is probably after FSU too. I think they ultimately would like to overlap the SEC areas. They could soon be in position to grab UNC, UVA, GA Tech, and FSU.

(05-05-2016 10:16 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 10:06 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 08:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:06 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If the Big 12 can talk Florida State and Notre Dame to the table and show them the chance to make $30m to $35m per year, I don't see Texas voting against expansion with this two as additions.

What fantasy world of WVU blogger did this gem spring from?

I don't understand these people. You want to play in the Eastern time zone. The ACC may be a weaker conference but their time zone and population base will ALWAYS make them a better choice over the B12 and Pac12. 80% of the population lives east of the Mississippi river.

I know exactly where you are coming from because I used to think this, BUT with the B1G new money, I am fairly convinced they are targeting UVa and UNC.

If that ever happens, the only other market driver in the entire conference is FSU (given Miami's weakness). And FSU might look around and say, um, BC, Wake Forest, little burgs in Syracuse and Louisville, Blacksburg, uh, we might look better hanging out with Texas and also taking Clemson with us.

If UVa and UNC go, the ACC loses most of its appeal.

So I agree that right now the ACC has huge population centers, but many of the schools tied to those centers are small. The ACC simply can't afford to lose UNC and Virginia, because if that happens, the B12 instantly becomes the more viable conference.

I think the B1G is probably after FSU too. I think they ultimately would like to overlap the SEC areas. They could soon be in position to grab UNC, UVA, GA Tech, and FSU.

Big 10 only wants AAU schools and FSU is not one.The other 3 UNC UVA and Ga Tech are AAU

(05-05-2016 10:16 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 10:06 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 08:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:06 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If the Big 12 can talk Florida State and Notre Dame to the table and show them the chance to make $30m to $35m per year, I don't see Texas voting against expansion with this two as additions.

What fantasy world of WVU blogger did this gem spring from?

I don't understand these people. You want to play in the Eastern time zone. The ACC may be a weaker conference but their time zone and population base will ALWAYS make them a better choice over the B12 and Pac12. 80% of the population lives east of the Mississippi river.

I know exactly where you are coming from because I used to think this, BUT with the B1G new money, I am fairly convinced they are targeting UVa and UNC.

If that ever happens, the only other market driver in the entire conference is FSU (given Miami's weakness). And FSU might look around and say, um, BC, Wake Forest, little burgs in Syracuse and Louisville, Blacksburg, uh, we might look better hanging out with Texas and also taking Clemson with us.

If UVa and UNC go, the ACC loses most of its appeal.

So I agree that right now the ACC has huge population centers, but many of the schools tied to those centers are small. The ACC simply can't afford to lose UNC and Virginia, because if that happens, the B12 instantly becomes the more viable conference.

I think the B1G is probably after FSU too. I think they ultimately would like to overlap the SEC areas. They could soon be in position to grab UNC, UVA, GA Tech, and FSU.

Soon, as in as soon as they figure out how to buy out both the GOR and the exit fee for each and every targeted school, you mean?

(05-05-2016 10:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 10:16 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 10:06 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 08:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  What fantasy world of WVU blogger did this gem spring from?

I don't understand these people. You want to play in the Eastern time zone. The ACC may be a weaker conference but their time zone and population base will ALWAYS make them a better choice over the B12 and Pac12. 80% of the population lives east of the Mississippi river.

I know exactly where you are coming from because I used to think this, BUT with the B1G new money, I am fairly convinced they are targeting UVa and UNC.

If that ever happens, the only other market driver in the entire conference is FSU (given Miami's weakness). And FSU might look around and say, um, BC, Wake Forest, little burgs in Syracuse and Louisville, Blacksburg, uh, we might look better hanging out with Texas and also taking Clemson with us.

If UVa and UNC go, the ACC loses most of its appeal.

So I agree that right now the ACC has huge population centers, but many of the schools tied to those centers are small. The ACC simply can't afford to lose UNC and Virginia, because if that happens, the B12 instantly becomes the more viable conference.

I think the B1G is probably after FSU too. I think they ultimately would like to overlap the SEC areas. They could soon be in position to grab UNC, UVA, GA Tech, and FSU.

Soon, as in as soon as they figure out how to buy out both the GOR and the exit fee for each and every targeted school, you mean?

I mean as in if the B12 launches a network leaving the ACC behind in that aspect of the arms race between the P5. I don't think anyone will challenge the GOR but they'll give their notice about departing before its renewed.

I was just listening to College Sports Nation on XM 84 and the guest was Chip Brown from HornsDigest.com talking about Texas and the Big 12 expansion. A few interesting points came out of the discussion.

The Longhorn Network deal that runs 20 years at 290 million is heavily back loaded with much bigger payouts for Texas the last few years of the deal. This year Texas received only 9 million.

Texas wouldn’t consider folding the LHN into a conference network unless they were paid in full for the negotiated contract. He said the reason the LHN was created was to keep Texas in the Big12 and short of leaving the conference Texas doesn’t see a reason to not get paid.

Texas is for expansion but their position is unless the right schools are added its dilution not expansion.

Texas feels schools like UConn and Cincinnati don’t move the needle for the conference.

He mentioned contacting Arizona and Arizona State to see if they would consider moving away from their TV deal with the PAC12 for something better in the Big 12, or the possibility of Clemson and FSU deciding they are tired of playing football in a basketball conference and would want to step up.

He felt like if Texas decided to move out of the Big12 staying in the central time zone would be important. He said the BIG or SEC could be potential landing spots, the PAC12 wouldn’t be attractive because of playing games at 9PM Texas time.

My take away is what a lot of people on here from Texas have been saying, Texas will back expansion if it benefits them, if not they will be fine with collecting their LHN cash and letting things play out as they will.

Don’t shoot the messenger, just relaying what I heard.

(05-05-2016 08:49 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  Maybe I don't understand how all of this works, but it seems to me that it is just arrogance to think that anyone outside the State of Texas gives a damn about the LHN and UT. Is this not why ESPN has been hemorrhaging money? So how would the "branding" be that important? Seems like a cop out for maintaining the power in the conference.

UT gets just as much exposure for its brand out of a B12 network with a wider demographic than the LHN which is limited to just UT fans.

Actually, they would probably get more, depending how strategic the conference network and marketing strategy would become.

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(05-05-2016 09:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:03 PM)Stooky57 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:34 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  So if tech and tcu have yet not decided for it than it means baylor is in favor of expansion. Weird

Because of their tiny location, tech should be favoring expansion too... I mean, if UT goes the independent route where will tech go??? Sorry but no way tech convinces anyone take them from their current address after they're left behind.

Tech, TCU and Baylor know they need Texas in Big12 or no one will pick them if Texas leaves, they will vote on whatever Lomhgorns want

good points cuban it makes sense, no expansion................

Baylor is currently a yes vote. They remember what happened the last time Texas pulled their stunt.

and please let me know what Baylor is going to do, if Texas says, ok you guys dont want to do what we want so we are going to Pac12?
Baylor KNOWS how close they were from being Houston, they better thread carefully or Bevo will crap on them.

You couldnt be more right. Texas I think will over play this hand and in the end its going to force the ONLY other team with options in the Big 12 to make a move. We know that the Pac 12, Big 10 and SEC have all had conversations with Oklahoma. It wouldnt shock me for them to make a move. Adding OU to the Big 10 would add money and the difference that they would be making would easily cover any expenses. They are going to make about $30 million (Big 12 monies plus 3rd tier contract) in the Big 12. THe big 10 can offer them about $45 million.
Even if the buyout is $45 million (which it wont be) Then it three years everything else they make is gravy. At that point the Big 12 as we know it is dead, because Texas will be looking for a move. I wouldnt doubt at all that the ACC makes a Notre Dame type offer and of course the Pac12 will make their own offer.

In the end, it will still leave anywhere from 6-8 teams in the Big 12, which is enough to hold it together, collect some very nice exit fees and then rebuild.

For me, being added now, or added later doesnt matter but in the long run I think at a minimum you will see Uconn, Cinci, Memphis, Houston, USF, UCF and BYU all in a major conference within a decade. Id like to see Temple and Navy in there too but for some unknown reason I dont ever hear their names come up.

(05-04-2016 02:18 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  They can expand and here's how.

1. Take the conference to 16 teams and rebrand "The Big 16". Adding in USF as one of the teams of course.

2, Fold the LHN into the Big 16 Conference Network.

3. Give Texas three shares of the Big 16 Conference network revenue and the rest of the members one share. Problem solved.

first the votes do not exist to expand to 12, much less 16 and if they did it is doubtful USF would be one of them. Secondly, they have nothing to gain by making the Longhorn net the b 16 net. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(05-05-2016 11:55 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 09:54 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:03 PM)Stooky57 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Tech, TCU and Baylor know they need Texas in Big12 or no one will pick them if Texas leaves, they will vote on whatever Lomhgorns want

good points cuban it makes sense, no expansion................

Baylor is currently a yes vote. They remember what happened the last time Texas pulled their stunt.

and please let me know what Baylor is going to do, if Texas says, ok you guys dont want to do what we want so we are going to Pac12?
Baylor KNOWS how close they were from being Houston, they better thread carefully or Bevo will crap on them.

You couldnt be more right. Texas I think will over play this hand and in the end its going to force the ONLY other team with options in the Big 12 to make a move. We know that the Pac 12, Big 10 and SEC have all had conversations with Oklahoma. It wouldnt shock me for them to make a move. Adding OU to the Big 10 would add money and the difference that they would be making would easily cover any expenses. They are going to make about $30 million (Big 12 monies plus 3rd tier contract) in the Big 12. THe big 10 can offer them about $45 million.
Even if the buyout is $45 million (which it wont be) Then it three years everything else they make is gravy. At that point the Big 12 as we know it is dead, because Texas will be looking for a move. I wouldnt doubt at all that the ACC makes a Notre Dame type offer and of course the Pac12 will make their own offer.

In the end, it will still leave anywhere from 6-8 teams in the Big 12, which is enough to hold it together, collect some very nice exit fees and then rebuild.

For me, being added now, or added later doesnt matter but in the long run I think at a minimum you will see Uconn, Cinci, Memphis, Houston, USF, UCF and BYU all in a major conference within a decade. Id like to see Temple and Navy in there too but for some unknown reason I dont ever hear their names come up.

I can’t speak for Navy, but when discussing Temple the 3 things that keep them out of the discussion is unlike UConn and Cincinnati they weren’t part of the Big East heyday, so they don’t get thought of as one of the few BCS leftovers that never found a home.

The second is geographically they aren’t a fit in the Big12 (thought when talking about travel partners for WVU it’s something like only 2 or 3 miles difference in distance from Philly to Morgantown than from Cincinnati to Morgantown.

The third (for me anyway) as a fan it’s not overly exciting to have schools like Texas Tech, Iowa State, Baylor and Kansas State coming to Philly to play.

Now if the whole ACC network thing started gaining speed and they were looking to add a program that could benefit that I think you would hear Temples name in the mix. Geographically fits the hole created by Maryland between Boston and Virginia, 4th largest TV market, blah blah blah blah.

Strictly speaking as a fan, that’s the realignment move I would like to see for Temple.