(04-29-2016 07:25 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 03:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 01:15 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  http://dailysnark.com/weighing-options-b...ds-retire/

Ha ha. Check out this link...

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...1c9ac31257

Browns have four picks tonight including #32, #65, #76 and #77. They are talking with other teams to trade with at the #32 spot. In addition to some extra picks this year, they've added an extra first and second round pick in 2017 and an extra second rounder in 2018.

The way the Browns are handling the Draft Process these aren't the same ole Browns...Paul DePodesta, Sashi Brown and Hue Jackson have done a outstanding job collecting draft picks and improved their team speed.

Many projected E.O. as a late first rounder so the Browns picked up good value here. Speed was a factor in the first two picks of the new Browns management. Production was another factor and I can't argue with either pick where they were selected. Agree on the brain trust!

Quote:Ogbah (6-4, 275) has 4.6 speed in the 40 and had 26 sacks his last two seasons, including 13 last year, which led the Big 12 and was fourth in the nation. In 2015, he was involved in at least one sack in every regular-season game, and had at least one sacks in 16 of his last 21 outings.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...iver_index

Then Ray Farmer re-entered the Draft Room and they reached for Cody Kessler...

(04-29-2016 10:29 PM)Maize Wrote:  Then Ray Farmer re-entered the Draft Room and they reached for Cody Kessler...

Yeah, that was a bit of a head scratcher. Kessler was projected for much later rounds if not an undrafted free agent. I will trust in the QB Whisperer Hue Jackson that he saw something in Kessler that he can work with and develop. This selection was also the product of all the extra picks the Browns acquired. They could afford to reach on this one and consider Kessler was their 5th pick of this draft thru 3 rounds.

Love the Auburn OT pick at #76 BTW.

Well, this makes some sense on paper at least. The knock on him is he does not have a big NFL arm.

Quote:Kessler was a three-year starter at USC, throwing for 10,339 yards and 88 touchdowns compared to 19 interceptions.

The 6-foot-1, 215-pound Kessler was a finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award in 2014 and 2015 and owns the school’s career record for completion percentage at 67.5 percent. That, of course, is a list that includes former USC QBs like Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and Matt Barkley.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...ceafd98c32

(04-29-2016 11:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well, this makes some sense on paper at least. The knock on him is he does not have a big NFL arm.

Quote:Kessler was a three-year starter at USC, throwing for 10,339 yards and 88 touchdowns compared to 19 interceptions.

The 6-foot-1, 215-pound Kessler was a finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award in 2014 and 2015 and owns the school’s career record for completion percentage at 67.5 percent. That, of course, is a list that includes former USC QBs like Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and Matt Barkley.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...ceafd98c32

That is what won Hue Jackson over....what is amazing to me is the hard fall of Connor Cook...

(04-29-2016 11:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 10:29 PM)Maize Wrote:  Then Ray Farmer re-entered the Draft Room and they reached for Cody Kessler...

Love the Auburn OT pick at #76 BTW.

Yes, they got a immediate starter at RT....with E.O. and Nassib it looks like they will be in a lot of 4-3 on defense.

(04-30-2016 05:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 11:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well, this makes some sense on paper at least. The knock on him is he does not have a big NFL arm.

Quote:Kessler was a three-year starter at USC, throwing for 10,339 yards and 88 touchdowns compared to 19 interceptions.

The 6-foot-1, 215-pound Kessler was a finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award in 2014 and 2015 and owns the school’s career record for completion percentage at 67.5 percent. That, of course, is a list that includes former USC QBs like Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and Matt Barkley.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...ceafd98c32

That is what won Hue Jackson over....

Here's some more tidbits on Kessler that I was not aware of since I don't follow P12/USC football:

Quote:Kessler said he had five coaching changes in a three-year period. He started the last three seasons. The Trojans program seemed to be in turmoil around him with all the coaching problems. He was one of the areas of stability in the program.

Most scouting reports call Kessler a "game manager." He's an accurate passer, 67 percent for his career. He threw 88 TD passes compared to 19 interceptions. Coaches love him. All the coaching changes didn't make his life easy, as he also dealt with different offensive coordinators and their systems. To his credit, Kessler didn't transfer and did the best he could under difficult circumstances.

The downside of Kessler is that his arm strength is average at best. That doesn't bother Hue Jackson, as the Browns coach says what he values most is accuracy. Jackson called Kessler "one of the most accurate passers in college football."

Kessler clearly is the pick of Jackson, as the coach told the media: "You gotta trust me on this one."

Jackson said Kessler dealt with four different systems at USC because of all the coaching changes. He considers that a huge plus, because it means Kessler can adapt. Jackson said it's up to him and his coaching staff to adapt an offense that accents the strengthens of Kessler. The Browns now have five quarterbacks: Robert Griffin III, Josh McCown, Austin Davis, Connor Shaw and Kessler.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf...iver_index

(04-30-2016 05:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  ....what is amazing to me is the hard fall of Connor Cook.

Yep. There must something on this kid with his attitude or coach-ability or improving/adapting his skill set at the next level since all other teams have passed him by thus far as well.

Browns made 5 picks through 3 rounds and now have 8 picks today. They have 4 picks in the fourth round including the first two - #99, #100, #129 & #138. With 13 total picks you're not going to hit on all of them but I like the odds that many will become starters or add to team depth. Would like them to take a defensive back and a linebacker today.

(04-30-2016 08:48 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Browns made 5 picks through 3 rounds and now have 8 picks today. They have 4 picks in the fourth round including the first two - #99, #100, #129 & #138. With 13 total picks you're not going to hit on all of them but I like the odds that many will become starters or add to team depth. Would like them to take a defensive back and a linebacker today.

Edit: They traded the #100 pick to 'da Ray-Durz for their fourth round pick (#114) and fifth round pick (#154). Browns have seven picks remaining giving them a total of 14 in this year's draft if they end up using them all.

Who will be the best Undrafted FA's?

(04-30-2016 08:35 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 05:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 11:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well, this makes some sense on paper at least. The knock on him is he does not have a big NFL arm.

Quote:Kessler was a three-year starter at USC, throwing for 10,339 yards and 88 touchdowns compared to 19 interceptions.

The 6-foot-1, 215-pound Kessler was a finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award in 2014 and 2015 and owns the school’s career record for completion percentage at 67.5 percent. That, of course, is a list that includes former USC QBs like Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and Matt Barkley.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...ceafd98c32

That is what won Hue Jackson over....

Here's some more tidbits on Kessler that I was not aware of since I don't follow P12/USC football:

Quote:Kessler said he had five coaching changes in a three-year period. He started the last three seasons. The Trojans program seemed to be in turmoil around him with all the coaching problems. He was one of the areas of stability in the program.

Most scouting reports call Kessler a "game manager." He's an accurate passer, 67 percent for his career. He threw 88 TD passes compared to 19 interceptions. Coaches love him. All the coaching changes didn't make his life easy, as he also dealt with different offensive coordinators and their systems. To his credit, Kessler didn't transfer and did the best he could under difficult circumstances.

The downside of Kessler is that his arm strength is average at best. That doesn't bother Hue Jackson, as the Browns coach says what he values most is accuracy. Jackson called Kessler "one of the most accurate passers in college football."

Kessler clearly is the pick of Jackson, as the coach told the media: "You gotta trust me on this one."

Jackson said Kessler dealt with four different systems at USC because of all the coaching changes. He considers that a huge plus, because it means Kessler can adapt. Jackson said it's up to him and his coaching staff to adapt an offense that accents the strengthens of Kessler. The Browns now have five quarterbacks: Robert Griffin III, Josh McCown, Austin Davis, Connor Shaw and Kessler.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf...iver_index

(04-30-2016 05:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  ....what is amazing to me is the hard fall of Connor Cook.

Yep. There must something on this kid with his attitude or coach-ability or improving/adapting his skill set at the next level since all other teams have passed him by thus far as well.

Apparently NFL teams got bad vibes about Cook's attitude, and there were concerns that he was not well-liked by his MSU teammates, which is an issue for a QB.

So, naturally, it was the Raiders who traded up to draft Cook.

Pro Football Focus NFL Draft Grades:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-32-teams/

(05-01-2016 11:22 AM)Maize Wrote:  Pro Football Focus NFL Draft Grades:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-32-teams/

For the Browns, this is a much better rating than CBS Sports' Pete Prisco. Pete hates everything Brown and Orange. FWIW, I don't put much stock in him anyway. Some of his reasoning is based on pure opinion and emotion and not analysis.

(05-01-2016 02:46 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 11:22 AM)Maize Wrote:  Pro Football Focus NFL Draft Grades:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-32-teams/

For the Browns, this is a much better rating than CBS Sports' Pete Prisco. Pete hates everything Brown and Orange. FWIW, I don't put much stock in him anyway. Some of his reasoning is based on pure opinion and emotion and not analysis.

All I needed from Prisco was when he gave the Cowboys a "D" grade on drafting Ezekiel Elliott...whatever...

(05-01-2016 02:46 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 11:22 AM)Maize Wrote:  Pro Football Focus NFL Draft Grades:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-32-teams/

For the Browns, this is a much better rating than CBS Sports' Pete Prisco. Pete hates everything Brown and Orange. FWIW, I don't put much stock in him anyway. Some of his reasoning is based on pure opinion and emotion and not analysis.

For better or worse, draft grades are based on the who teams drafted at what pick, compared to where they had said player ranked, with regards to the first 2 or 3 rounds, and number of overall picks, or name picks in the latter rounds. Well and with QB's, if you pass on a QB when you need one, or vice versa. Now to be fair, that is really about all you can grade them on prior any of them playing a game, but their own evaluations of games will determine how they grade drafts.

Said it earlier but really following what the Browns are doing since they are bringing money ball to the NFL...

(05-01-2016 04:12 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 02:46 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 11:22 AM)Maize Wrote:  Pro Football Focus NFL Draft Grades:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-32-teams/

For the Browns, this is a much better rating than CBS Sports' Pete Prisco. Pete hates everything Brown and Orange. FWIW, I don't put much stock in him anyway. Some of his reasoning is based on pure opinion and emotion and not analysis.

All I needed from Prisco was when he gave the Cowboys a "D" grade on drafting Ezekiel Elliott...whatever...

It probably has more to do with drafting a RB 4th overall and is not an indictment on Zeke. It was just a typical flashy "Cowboys" type of move that has become so Jerry Jones. Unless you think Elliot is going to be the next AP, Dallas reached at #4.

(05-02-2016 04:18 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:12 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 02:46 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 11:22 AM)Maize Wrote:  Pro Football Focus NFL Draft Grades:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-32-teams/

For the Browns, this is a much better rating than CBS Sports' Pete Prisco. Pete hates everything Brown and Orange. FWIW, I don't put much stock in him anyway. Some of his reasoning is based on pure opinion and emotion and not analysis.

All I needed from Prisco was when he gave the Cowboys a "D" grade on drafting Ezekiel Elliott...whatever...

It probably has more to do with drafting a RB 4th overall and is not an indictment on Zeke. It was just a typical flashy "Cowboys" type of move that has become so Jerry Jones. Unless you think Elliot is going to be the next AP, Dallas reached at #4.

Let's just say this...Zeke is a better all around RB then Todd Gurley...plus behind that OL it will protect Romo and keep the Dallas Defense off the field...

Any pick can look good in hindsight. Tampa Bay took a kicker in the second round, and people are scoffing, much like they did when Oakland took Janokowski in the first round in 99. However there he is, STILL with the team. I'd say it was a good pick. If that kid becomes the next Adam Venitari, I'd say it was well worth the pick.

Likewise if Elliot has an Emmitt Smith like career, obviously it is a good pick. A great pick. But when giving grades the day after, the idea is there are more good backs than roster spots, and using multi back systems devalues the position, in an ever increasing passing league.

That said three of the last four SB winners, somehow unnoticed, won with defense and stout running games. So I think Running backs are going to become more en vogue in the near future.

It should have been the last 4 Super Bowl Winners...Pete Carroll give the ball to BEASTMODE on the half yard line...