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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 08:25 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  I will ask again-where do you guys think the multi millions of $ generated by season ticket sales and per seat donations go to (and don't say scholarships as I know monies are shuffled from fund to fund to suit Admin's wishes and needs)?

It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

See post 183 in "We paid 3 Million thread."
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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 08:25 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  I will ask again-where do you guys think the multi millions of $ generated by season ticket sales and per seat donations go to (and don't say scholarships as I know monies are shuffled from fund to fund to suit Admin's wishes and needs)?

It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

Exactly, and it goes for our assistant coaches as well: the university only pays a fraction of the assistants' salaries as well. And wihout membership in a P5 conference, the Athletic Dept couldn't afford a $3mil/yr salary even if it was legal for the university to pay for it.

Our althletic department runs on a deficit, it is donation-dependent.
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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-14-2016 08:00 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I wish it was all known what happened from Sunday this past week up until today ... most fans would be very pleased with the efforts of the administration I believe

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(04-14-2016 07:47 PM)3601 Wrote:  TIFWIW

Not even close to being correct.

you have to think "bigger picture"

Do tell...
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Bigger picture... Ok, I'll play.

We hired away a Big XII coach from a school that was trying to keep him.

That has to say something about whether we are "fit" for the Big XII.

It might also piss off a conference member that has a vote.
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(04-14-2016 09:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  Bigger picture... Ok, I'll play.

We hired away a Big XII coach from a school that was trying to keep him.

That has to say something about whether we are "fit" for the Big XII.

It might also piss off a conference member that has a vote.

Not sure of the psychology of voting but.....if TT is mad....the other 11 are happy. So, we have 11 B12 schools happy with Memphis. OU, OSU, Baylor and Texas should LOVE US.
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(04-14-2016 09:28 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 08:25 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  I will ask again-where do you guys think the multi millions of $ generated by season ticket sales and per seat donations go to (and don't say scholarships as I know monies are shuffled from fund to fund to suit Admin's wishes and needs)?

It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

See post 183 in "We paid 3 Million thread."

Our men's basketball revenue is under $10mil/yr and we won't get north of that without a Final Four appearance or a P5 conference affiliation. Only Duke and Louisville hit the $20mil line.
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(04-14-2016 11:48 PM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:28 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 08:25 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  I will ask again-where do you guys think the multi millions of $ generated by season ticket sales and per seat donations go to (and don't say scholarships as I know monies are shuffled from fund to fund to suit Admin's wishes and needs)?

It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

See post 183 in "We paid 3 Million thread."

Our men's basketball revenue is under $10mil/yr and we won't get north of that without a Final Four appearance or a P5 conference affiliation. Only Duke and Louisville hit the $20mil line.


We hit over $12,000,000 in Basketball Revenue in 2014-2015 Link

A few years ago 2013 it was a good bit more than that.
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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-15-2016 12:02 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:48 PM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:28 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 08:25 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  I will ask again-where do you guys think the multi millions of $ generated by season ticket sales and per seat donations go to (and don't say scholarships as I know monies are shuffled from fund to fund to suit Admin's wishes and needs)?

It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

See post 183 in "We paid 3 Million thread."

Our men's basketball revenue is under $10mil/yr and we won't get north of that without a Final Four appearance or a P5 conference affiliation. Only Duke and Louisville hit the $20mil line.


We hit over $12,000,000 in Basketball Revenue in 2014-2015 Link

A few years ago 2013 it was a good bit more than that.

the financials you just linked state $5.7mil in men's baskeball revenue for 2015 (with $10.3mil in expenses), down from $7.5mil revenue in 2014 (w/ $15mil in expenses). that's a signficant net loss for both years reported. see pp154-5.
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(04-15-2016 12:13 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:02 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:48 PM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:28 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

See post 183 in "We paid 3 Million thread."

Our men's basketball revenue is under $10mil/yr and we won't get north of that without a Final Four appearance or a P5 conference affiliation. Only Duke and Louisville hit the $20mil line.


We hit over $12,000,000 in Basketball Revenue in 2014-2015 Link

A few years ago 2013 it was a good bit more than that.

the financials you just linked state $5.7mil in men's baskeball revenue for 2015 (with $10.3mil in expenses), down from $7.5mil revenue in 2014 (w/ $15mil in expenses). that's a signficant net loss for both years reported. see pp154-5.

season ticket revenues definitely less in 2015 than in years past, but you have to consider the per seat fees when considering basketball revenues and they have been $7 or 8 million per year recently, I would assume they are a million or so off this year so the basketball program is still well over $10,000,000
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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-15-2016 12:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:13 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:02 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:48 PM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:28 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  See post 183 in "We paid 3 Million thread."

Our men's basketball revenue is under $10mil/yr and we won't get north of that without a Final Four appearance or a P5 conference affiliation. Only Duke and Louisville hit the $20mil line.


We hit over $12,000,000 in Basketball Revenue in 2014-2015 Link

A few years ago 2013 it was a good bit more than that.

the financials you just linked state $5.7mil in men's baskeball revenue for 2015 (with $10.3mil in expenses), down from $7.5mil revenue in 2014 (w/ $15mil in expenses). that's a signficant net loss for both years reported. see pp154-5.

season ticket revenues definitely less in 2015 than in years past, but you have to consider the per seat fees when considering basketball revenues and they have been $7 or 8 million per year recently, I would assume they are a million or so off this year so the basketball program is still well over $10,000,000

well, the source you provided says basketball revenues aren't even close to $10mil, i don't know how you think the official university financial report wouldn't account for seat fees since it is a basketball revenue. the numbers are what they are, and they show that you are grossly overestimating revenue.
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(04-15-2016 01:01 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:13 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:02 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:48 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Our men's basketball revenue is under $10mil/yr and we won't get north of that without a Final Four appearance or a P5 conference affiliation. Only Duke and Louisville hit the $20mil line.


We hit over $12,000,000 in Basketball Revenue in 2014-2015 Link

A few years ago 2013 it was a good bit more than that.

the financials you just linked state $5.7mil in men's baskeball revenue for 2015 (with $10.3mil in expenses), down from $7.5mil revenue in 2014 (w/ $15mil in expenses). that's a signficant net loss for both years reported. see pp154-5.

season ticket revenues definitely less in 2015 than in years past, but you have to consider the per seat fees when considering basketball revenues and they have been $7 or 8 million per year recently, I would assume they are a million or so off this year so the basketball program is still well over $10,000,000

well, the source you provided says basketball revenues aren't even close to $10mil, i don't know how you think the official university financial report wouldn't account for seat fees since it is a basketball revenue. the numbers are what they are, and they show that you are grossly overestimating revenue.


how can a per seat fee for basketball not be considered a basketball revenue?
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(04-15-2016 01:06 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 01:01 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:13 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:02 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  We hit over $12,000,000 in Basketball Revenue in 2014-2015 Link

A few years ago 2013 it was a good bit more than that.

the financials you just linked state $5.7mil in men's baskeball revenue for 2015 (with $10.3mil in expenses), down from $7.5mil revenue in 2014 (w/ $15mil in expenses). that's a signficant net loss for both years reported. see pp154-5.

season ticket revenues definitely less in 2015 than in years past, but you have to consider the per seat fees when considering basketball revenues and they have been $7 or 8 million per year recently, I would assume they are a million or so off this year so the basketball program is still well over $10,000,000

well, the source you provided says basketball revenues aren't even close to $10mil, i don't know how you think the official university financial report wouldn't account for seat fees since it is a basketball revenue. the numbers are what they are, and they show that you are grossly overestimating revenue.


how can a per seat fee for basketball not be considered a basketball revenue?

that's my point. the official university financial report says that basketball revenue is under $6mil total. there is not indication that this number does not account for ALL sources of basketball revenue, including seat licensing fees. read the report yourself, you cited it.
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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-15-2016 01:09 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 01:06 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 01:01 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:13 AM)Cotten Wrote:  the financials you just linked state $5.7mil in men's baskeball revenue for 2015 (with $10.3mil in expenses), down from $7.5mil revenue in 2014 (w/ $15mil in expenses). that's a signficant net loss for both years reported. see pp154-5.

season ticket revenues definitely less in 2015 than in years past, but you have to consider the per seat fees when considering basketball revenues and they have been $7 or 8 million per year recently, I would assume they are a million or so off this year so the basketball program is still well over $10,000,000

well, the source you provided says basketball revenues aren't even close to $10mil, i don't know how you think the official university financial report wouldn't account for seat fees since it is a basketball revenue. the numbers are what they are, and they show that you are grossly overestimating revenue.




how can a per seat fee for basketball not be considered a basketball revenue?

that's my point. the official university financial report says that basketball revenue is under $6mil total. there is not indication that this number does not account for ALL sources of basketball revenue, including seat licensing fees. read the report yourself, you cited it.
That's weird financial reporting. I would want to know full and complete disclosure, including the seat licensing fees. Where is that income reported or shown in the AD financial statements? Or does that $$$ go to the Grizzlies' management firm operating the Forum??
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(04-15-2016 01:26 AM)TallTiger Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 01:09 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 01:06 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 01:01 AM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-15-2016 12:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  season ticket revenues definitely less in 2015 than in years past, but you have to consider the per seat fees when considering basketball revenues and they have been $7 or 8 million per year recently, I would assume they are a million or so off this year so the basketball program is still well over $10,000,000

well, the source you provided says basketball revenues aren't even close to $10mil, i don't know how you think the official university financial report wouldn't account for seat fees since it is a basketball revenue. the numbers are what they are, and they show that you are grossly overestimating revenue.




how can a per seat fee for basketball not be considered a basketball revenue?

that's my point. the official university financial report says that basketball revenue is under $6mil total. there is not indication that this number does not account for ALL sources of basketball revenue, including seat licensing fees. read the report yourself, you cited it.
That's weird financial reporting. I would want to know full and complete disclosure, including the seat licensing fees. Where is that income reported or shown in the AD financial statements? Or does that $$$ go to the Grizzlies' management firm operating the Forum??


the grizzlies get ZERO from us per game and off seat sales in fact they pay us $800,000 to play at FEF (until this year where they paid only $480,000 or so.) the grizzlies get to keep one sign ring around the arena for Tigers games and get to keep the box ticket sales and concessions. The $800,000 would have to be considered a basketball revenue also.
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(04-15-2016 12:47 AM)FUT Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 08:25 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  I will ask again-where do you guys think the multi millions of $ generated by season ticket sales and per seat donations go to (and don't say scholarships as I know monies are shuffled from fund to fund to suit Admin's wishes and needs)?

It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

Ugh. Why is this so gd difficult for people to get?

Ok so lets say there is no law about what the school can pay out of tsf donations. Then you take those funds and use them to pay the coach?

Now let's discuss football scholarships, non revenue sports, facility upgrades, etc.

Booster money goes there.

It is one big pile of cash. The dudes that write the big checks just get more say and for a brief moment get to feel like their dicks are bigger than they really are.

I will help clear this up a bit for you so that you can truly understand if you slow down and think about what I am about to provide, there is not one big pile of cash. So, lets start there.

Not only by accounting rules but state laws there is not one big pile of cash to move money around, like RC did and he should have been in serious consideration for some type of legal punishment that may have included jail time if that had ever moved forward but it didn't.

Each area that fans and donors, large or small donate to have actual account codes attached to them that tie them to very specific programs. For instance the Time to Shine campaign was a "Capital Expense" campaign and that campaign all monies sent in for that specific campaign can only be used for that specific use they were signed up for. The money can't be put in the general fund, nor used for anything other than the capital campaign it was represented to be sold for. If someone moved those funds to another area, it would be fraud. As well, the tax benefits associated with a this campaign and other "capital" campaign donations are treated differently than other ones. This one for instance is 100% tax deductible.

The Trueblue Society, is a very specific area that is not 100% tax deductible but 75% tax deductible and allows donars to donate money to very specific areas. For instance, a donation there is designated by the donating party to go to something like, the rifle team. If you designate the donations go to the rifle team, then it is fraud if the money is not designated as such. So, take the example of the Rifle team and then know that all TrueBlue donations are specific donations that go to specific needs.

Next, the majority of the football and basketball head coaches along with the majority of assistant coaches are paid for by Ambassadors and their designation to pay those as well are bound by very specific donation requirements and it would be fraud as well do move those funds out of a specific account over to another account. Outside of the base salaries allowed by law, which are in the $ 200K to $ 250k (which you can look up if you want) the remainder of their compensation is covered others but not by TSF or any other monies taken in from any form of revenue whether it be season ticket sales, or monies paid as donations in order to buy seats.

TSF is almost exclusively used to pay for scholarships. About ten or so years ago the State of Tennessee mandated that every state instuition had to start paying for their own athletic scholarships and would not be funded by the State any longer. The hit to universities across the state was tremendous, you have to remember there are in-state tuition costs and out of state tuition costs. Today, 100% of all scholarships can't be paid for out of any other university funds, by law - or it would be fraud. The TSF is designed specifically to pay for these scholarships because by law the State will not do it and by law the University can't subsidize it.

These are some examples, there are literally numerous more that follow the same guideline.

I truly hope this helps in putting to bed your notion there is one single "bucket of money that is one pot thought process" because not only is that thought process incorrect but its fraudulent in its basis and foundation and simply is wrong.
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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-15-2016 12:47 AM)FUT Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 09:18 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 08:25 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  I will ask again-where do you guys think the multi millions of $ generated by season ticket sales and per seat donations go to (and don't say scholarships as I know monies are shuffled from fund to fund to suit Admin's wishes and needs)?

It does not go into coaches salaries. By law, the University can only pay something like $200, 000 annually to a coach. That may not be the exact figure, but it is in that ballpark.

In order to pay millions to a coach, that money has to come from mega-donors like Fred Smith, Bill Laurie, etc. the TSF donations made by us smaller donors go to scholarships for all athletes in all sports.

Ticket money and TSF donations do not fund coaches salaries that exceed the legal limit.

Ugh. Why is this so gd difficult for people to get?

Ok so lets say there is no law about what the school can pay out of tsf donations. Then you take those funds and use them to pay the coach?

Now let's discuss football scholarships, non revenue sports, facility upgrades, etc.

Booster money goes there.

It is one big pile of cash. The dudes that write the big checks just get more say and for a brief moment get to feel like their dicks are bigger than they really are.

It sounds like you are frustrated or have some insecurities that there are donors who care about the university, the city and the entire fan base enough to make donations to help off set other costs to get the best coaches we can get or the best facilities we can get - by making the statement "for a brief moment get to feel like their dicks are bigger than they really are". That is a very strange comment to say the least, very strange.

It sounds as if there are other issues at play here than just accepting people wanting to donate to the university because they actually care.

Bizarre to say the least and very concerning to the other end of the spectrum.
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(04-14-2016 08:00 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I wish it was all known what happened from Sunday this past week up until today ... most fans would be very pleased with the efforts of the administration I believe

Very true 80sTiger and the "word around campus" is very wrong.
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(04-14-2016 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  whoever we hired wasn't going to be paid with UofM money, the final ok on who and how much we paid came from neither Bowen nor Rudd.

So simple and yet so many can't grasp.
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It's like anything else in life....you pay more money you get more access/say/benefits/etc. Everybody's donation money counts the same dollar for dollar. It's just that some people have bigger stacks of dollars and they, rightly, get more say. If you don't like their decisions then start giving amounts in their range.
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RE: Word around campus is that Rudd overruled Bowen
(04-14-2016 08:00 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I wish it was all known what happened from Sunday this past week up until today ... most fans would be very pleased with the efforts of the administration I believe

We know that our boosters and/or admin were in Amarillo on Tuesday and met with Smith and his wife.

Either on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, Smith flew to Memphis.

Wednesday night TT countered our offer and implored Smith to return to Lubbock to think it over.

Smith ended up staying in Memphis Wednesday night and at 6 or so advised TT that we would be taking the Memphis job.

That's all I've heard at this point.
04-15-2016 08:37 AM
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