(04-08-2016 10:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote: (04-08-2016 10:52 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The real issue here is the joke that the California ID has become. You can thank the land of fruits and nuts for this story.
Care to comment on what the man said? Here is a person who was a republican and was there when it happened that is confirming what many have been saying for a long time.
That the real purpose of voter ID laws is to disenfranchise voters.
Yeah... it's an obvious lie.
Nobody EVER says 'look, we can take away people's Constitutional rights so that we can hang on to power'... That's not how anyone talks... Instead, that was obviously 'his impression' of what they were saying.
1) He believes that requiring ID takes people's Constitutional right to vote away. That's a fine opinion, but it isn't supported by any facts. Nobody has shown (that I've seen, and I've looked and asked) ANY person who would lose their right to vote. They show statistics implying it, or make straw arguments, or they show people who failed to notify the appropriate people and places in time for an election... who were STILL allowed to vote back where they used to live, or provisionally where they now lived... and if it mattered to the outcome, their ID would have been investigated.
Obviously those on the other side don't believe it takes away anyone's rights.
2) He believes that they are doing so so that they can hang on to power... but if the intention is to stop 'illegal' voting... and THAT is what allows them to hang on to power, isn't that a GOOD thing? (not that they hang on to power, but that illegal voting was stopped) And yes, they may have laughed at what they see as stopping Democrats from stealing elections (whether you agree or not).
So yeah... It's a crock... it's an opinion not supported by facts. It's a fantasy cooked up in someone's head.
If the conversation were honest, we'd realize that the people most likely to be impacted by this isn't poor people who need ID for most benefits and skew left, but instead 'separatists' and religious nuts who hate the government and skew right.