This actually might be the first state in awhile that the democratic results might be more interesting to see than the republican (maybe but it probably does depend on the margins of victory on each side).

Cruz winning isn't necessarily a game-changer. I really think he has to do something later this month in the northeast to make tonight meaningful in any way. But Trump may surprise once again.

I'm also curious to see voting totals D vs R. I think Cruz can win tonight but I have my doubts he can win this state in November.

Cruz already declared the winner on the Republican side. Sanders winning big but it's too early to declare there as most of the Democratic votes will come from Milwaukee (Clinton big there) and Madison (Sanders country).

No big deal. Lyin' Ted does well in the the central and mountain time zones, not so much on the east coast except for Maine but that's like Canada.

Sanders declared the winner too. That was quick.

Still want to see total vote totals. And New York will be the indicator if we're in for true seismic changes in the race.

BTW, Kasich not doing very well. He may have to drop out after all and become (as Trump has said in one of his only good jokes) President of Ohio.

No real surprise on the Dems side. Bernie winning a 87% white state by only 6 points isn't a win. They'll probably split the pledged delegates, and Hilldawg will walk out the winner after factoring in the super's.

The margin on the GOP's side is interesting. I expected to win, but not by 20 points.

Cruz mopping the floor with Trump in early results (23%) 53-30.

Sanders must be doing well in the exit poll. He's been called, but only up 53-46.

(04-05-2016 09:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  No real surprise on the Dems side. Bernie winning a 87% white state by only 6 points isn't a win. They'll probably split the pledged delegates, and Hilldawg will walk out the winner after factoring in the super's.

The margin on the GOP's side is interesting. I expected to win, but not by 20 points.

Blacks are only 11-12% of the US population. That's the only group Hillary owns. That's why she's won big in the states the Dems have no hope of winning in December and struggled everywhere else.

Cruz beat the Putz.

(04-05-2016 08:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  No big deal. Lyin' Ted does well in the the central and mountain time zones, not so much on the east coast except for Maine but that's like Canada.

Donald the Deceiver did better before so many dropped out.

(04-05-2016 09:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  No real surprise on the Dems side. Bernie winning a 87% white state by only 6 points isn't a win. They'll probably split the pledged delegates, and Hilldawg will walk out the winner after factoring in the super's.

The margin on the GOP's side is interesting. I expected to win, but not by 20 points.

Blacks are only 11-12% of the US population. That's the only group Hillary owns. That's why she's won big in the states the Dems have no hope of winning in December and struggled everywhere else.

I'm aware that Hilldawg isn't a good candidate, I was just referring to the formula that Sanders needs to meet to win the nomination. On a scale from 1-50, Wisconsin* is in the top 10 of his best states, therefore winning it by +7 isn't really a win.

*I've referred to this chart a lot.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpr...575&h=1947

(04-05-2016 09:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  No real surprise on the Dems side. Bernie winning a 87% white state by only 6 points isn't a win. They'll probably split the pledged delegates, and Hilldawg will walk out the winner after factoring in the super's.

The margin on the GOP's side is interesting. I expected to win, but not by 20 points.

Blacks are only 11-12% of the US population. That's the only group Hillary owns. That's why she's won big in the states the Dems have no hope of winning in December and struggled everywhere else.

I'm aware that Hilldawg isn't a good candidate, I was just referring to the formula that Sanders needs to meet to win the nomination. On a scale from 1-50, Wisconsin* is in the top 10 of his best states, therefore winning it by +7 isn't really a win.

*I've referred to this chart a lot.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpr...575&h=1947

He's on a streak, 6 in a row since Hillary was declared winner in Arizona. He's won 15 of the 33 contests so far.

Another issue the Clinton camp can't be happy about - they are only winning Milwaukee 52-48 pct with quite a bit of the vote counted there. Wisconsin is pretty white, but not as much in Milwaukee.

The bottom line is both Trump and Clinton continue to flounder and are the weakest 'front-runners' at least since 1988.

(04-05-2016 09:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 08:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  No big deal. Lyin' Ted does well in the the central and mountain time zones, not so much on the east coast except for Maine but that's like Canada.

Donald the Deceiver did better before so many dropped out.

We're headed to the Big Apple and the northeast where Trump will roll.

Clinton got out to too big of a lead early to lose in my opinion, but she's clearly a very weak candidate and losing more appeal as time goes on.

Bernie is energetic, passionate, and authentic. He's exciting and some people feed on that. Hillary is a boring, chronic liar that a lot of people simply don't trust.

I don't think he'd be a good president (and I think the same of hillary), but he's done exceptionally well campaigning for the job.

(04-05-2016 09:40 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Another issue the Clinton camp can't be happy about - they are only winning Milwaukee 52-48 pct with quite a bit of the vote counted there. Wisconsin is pretty white, but not as much in Milwaukee.

The bottom line is both Trump and Clinton continue to flounder and are the weakest 'front-runners' at least since 1988.

Clintons problem is that there is still and unsatisfied "Hopey/Changey" Obama contingent that Bernie tapped into. He uses the same signs. Same as 2008 only that side has a weaker candidate in Bernie. The two sides came together for big wins in 2008 and 2012, so I don't see Hilldawg as a weak front runner.

Its a big win by Cruz tonite.

That was a horribly juvenile response from the Trump campaign tonite.

Bernie is still a flaming hemorrhoid to Hillary.

(04-05-2016 10:02 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 08:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  No big deal. Lyin' Ted does well in the the central and mountain time zones, not so much on the east coast except for Maine but that's like Canada.

Donald the Deceiver did better before so many dropped out.

We're headed to the Big Apple and the northeast where Trump will roll.

False, Trump's time is finally over. All the hate and violence he has spread finally caught up with him. Tonight was a prime example that people are fed up with his racism. He will not win another primary, it is over for Trump. Meanwhile Bernie is surging like a phoenix rising through the ashes of hatred and bigotry. He will defeat and Hillary then take the White House and save our country from tyranny and racism.

(04-06-2016 12:16 AM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 10:02 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 08:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  No big deal. Lyin' Ted does well in the the central and mountain time zones, not so much on the east coast except for Maine but that's like Canada.

Donald the Deceiver did better before so many dropped out.

We're headed to the Big Apple and the northeast where Trump will roll.

False, Trump's time is finally over. All the hate and violence he has spread finally caught up with him. Tonight was a prime example that people are fed up with his racism. He will not win another primary, it is over for Trump. Meanwhile Bernie is surging like a phoenix rising through the ashes of hatred and bigotry. He will defeat and Hillary then take the White House and save our country from tyranny and racism.

That is your pipe dream. The Trump train is rolling. Trump had the entire establishment against him in a central time zone state. Cruz will not play well in the NE.

(04-06-2016 12:16 AM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 10:02 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 08:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  No big deal. Lyin' Ted does well in the the central and mountain time zones, not so much on the east coast except for Maine but that's like Canada.

Donald the Deceiver did better before so many dropped out.

We're headed to the Big Apple and the northeast where Trump will roll.

False, Trump's time is finally over. All the hate and violence he has spread finally caught up with him. Tonight was a prime example that people are fed up with his racism. He will not win another primary, it is over for Trump. Meanwhile Bernie is surging like a phoenix rising through the ashes of hatred and bigotry. He will defeat and Hillary then take the White House and save our country from tyranny and racism.

Good luck with that.

Final results show about 100K more Republican voters yesterday than Democratic. That's a significant change from 2008, but it's not an earth-changer. Obviously, people felt compelled to vote on the Republican side yesterday but that might have been a #NeverTrump movement more than anything. I'm not convinced the people who voted for Cruz yesterday will be so compelled to do so in November (Sanders did get 36K more votes than Cruz).

The two big takeaways is Trump is now facing must win states like NY and PA in the next few weeks (I'll assume he'll lose Colorado). Kasich too has to finish a decent 2nd in some of those states or he'll be under intense pressure to drop out. Trump's lack of organization and political savvy is killing him, and that doesn't bode well in Cleveland. But he has a chance to stop the bleeding if Cruz finishes third in some of the NE states.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the media start to focus (negatively of course) on Cruz a bit. I don't think he's the front-runner as some has said in the media, but if he gets within striking distance in NY, NJ and PA of Trump, then he is the front-runner.

On the Democratic side, Clinton faces a must-win state in NY. If she can't win there, how can she claim to be front-runner? At that point, there will be intense pressure for the Superdelegates to be undecided or switch to Sanders. I actually think we'll see some Sanders dirt leaked by the Clinton camp before New York. She's ready to play dirty against him now.