(03-22-2016 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there is a niche for CUSA to grab. They could grab the early season Tuesday and Wed night spots and take a Maction position early in the season. While this would hurt attendance, if carefully done, it could have a minimum impact on attendance and a maximum impact on exposure and value to ESPN (which means more money for CUSA). That niche was worth 10 million a year for the MAC--no reason it couldn't yield similar results for CUSA.

Now, how do you minimize the impact on attendance? You restrict the Tuesday/Wed games to one home game per team and, if possible, you restrict them to the city schools as much as possible. Most of the attendance for city schools lives within their home cities---thus, the impact on their attendance is much less than it is for schools in rural locations where the fans must travel to. I know in Houston our attednace was much less impacted by a mid-week game than a schools like ECU. As CUSA has expanded mostly with schools in large cities---it does present an opportunity for CUSA to get that mid-week exposure, give ESPN a very valuable commodity, and minimize the impact on attendance. Those early mid-week games don't have to be an attendance disaster like they are in the MAC.

I get the backlash against the concept--but I do think CUSA is in a unique position to pull it off better than most conferences.

It wont effect mine in the least. Schedule those sobs for 3am on monday morning and i will find a way to be there. Everyone needs to do the same.

(03-22-2016 12:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there is a niche for CUSA to grab. They could grab the early season Tuesday and Wed night spots and take a Maction position early in the season. While this would hurt attendance, if carefully done, it could have a minimum impact on attendance and a maximum impact on exposure and value to ESPN (which means more money for CUSA). That niche was worth 10 million a year for the MAC--no reason it couldn't yield similar results for CUSA.

Now, how do you minimize the impact on attendance? You restrict the Tuesday/Wed games to one home game per team and, if possible, you restrict them to the city schools as much as possible. Most of the attendance for city schools lives within their home cities---thus, the impact on their attendance is much less than it for schools in rural locations where the fans must travel to. I know in Houston our attednace was much less impacted by a mid-week game than a schools like ECU. As CUSA has expanded mostly with schools in large cities---it does present an opportunity for CUSA to get that mid-week exposure, give ESPN a very valuable commodity, and minimize the impact on attendance. Those early mid-week games don't have to be an attendance disaster like they are in the MAC.

I get the backlash against the concept--but I do think CUSA is in a unique position to pull it off better than most conferences.

I don't disagree with some of your points. We have been playing a Thurs game a year with the current contract so what does it hurt? Our Attendance will be what it is regardless. If the MAC is making that kind of money doing it then our brand is far more valuable at the same spot.

Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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I would like if ASN plays a bigger role. Have CUSA help them with content to get their full time sports channel OTA in more markets so that they can make a push West.
Similar to how the MW helped the College Sports Network and eventually led CBS Network.

(03-22-2016 08:05 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I would like if ASN plays a bigger role. Have CUSA help them with content to get their full time sports channel OTA in more markets so that they can make a push West.
Similar to how the MW helped the College Sports Network and eventually led CBS Network.

I think that could be a huge win for CUSA, especially because i think you all would hold the leverage on scheduling and monetary details. Now it goes without saying that most everything is already hammered out and details will emerge soon, but I'm hopeful for y'all whenever there is an aspect of sports that you can exceed in without hurting my teams. Hell, I'd argue a bigger payday for you means better times ahead for everyone. So good luck

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Here is my goal. Televise every darn game for every team and grab the biggest audience you can get. If that means we each play one weeknight game per year, I'm OK with it. I don't care if it's ASN, ESPN, CBSSN or FOX, or a combo. We need to maximize exposure. If they don't offer us any meaningful money (at least 1 mil per team per year) limit the contract to only two or three years. Then, renegotiate!

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there is a niche for CUSA to grab. They could grab the early season Tuesday and Wed night spots and take a Maction position early in the season. While this would hurt attendance, if carefully done, it could have a minimum impact on attendance and a maximum impact on exposure and value to ESPN (which means more money for CUSA). That niche was worth 10 million a year for the MAC--no reason it couldn't yield similar results for CUSA.

Now, how do you minimize the impact on attendance? You restrict the Tuesday/Wed games to one home game per team and, if possible, you restrict them to the city schools as much as possible. Most of the attendance for city schools lives within their home cities---thus, the impact on their attendance is much less than it is for schools in rural locations where the fans must travel to. I know in Houston our attednace was much less impacted by a mid-week game than a schools like ECU. As CUSA has expanded mostly with schools in large cities---it does present an opportunity for CUSA to get that mid-week exposure, give ESPN a very valuable commodity, and minimize the impact on attendance. Those early mid-week games don't have to be an attendance disaster like they are in the MAC.

I get the backlash against the concept--but I do think CUSA is in a unique position to pull it off better than most conferences.

It wont effect mine in the least. Schedule those sobs for 3am on monday morning and i will find a way to be there. Everyone needs to do the same.

Exactly, there you go!!! Fans who can make it should make it. Don't disgrace the 'base

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(03-22-2016 09:14 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:44 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:24 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I will drop season tickets tomorrow if we are stuck to weeknight games.

Will get ready then...If we are on any ESPN network besides ESPN3, we will be on a weeknight guarantee...

If so, I will drop my 4 season tickets. Honestly doesn't even matter to me anymore.

I have already had this conversation with our AD, so they know where I stand. I doubt they care as I am not a big money donor though.

They also don't care because you represent only one of the 14 mouths this conference has to feed.

C-USA is the perfect name for this conference. 50% of the league does all the work so the other half can take handouts. God Bless the USA, CUSA that is.

(03-22-2016 01:34 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 10:52 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  If the conference agreed to have 7 thur/fri games per season, then each school would host such a game once every other year. That would not be bad at all.

If a blind rotation was how it worked, that wouldn't be bad, but that's not how it goes. The networks want to show the best teams and the best games, so the same few schools--usually the very ones with decent fanbases--end up bearing the burden. If you look at the schedule and see a game that makes you say, "The division title might be riding on that one," well, chances are it's going to get sucked into the off-night TV slot, and now a boatload of fans who were looking forward to said game either can't make it or have to move the world to try. And don't even think you're going to schedule some marquee OOC home game and play it at a decent hour on a Saturday. We turned down whatever carrot Fox offered us to host Mississippi State on Friday last season, and kicked off at 9 p.m. on Saturday instead.

In 2007, my team played on a Wednesday and a Sunday at home and a Thursday and a second Sunday on the road. That's horse poo, for both the fans and players.

2007 is 9 seasons ago. The past 5 years both UTEP and USM have averaged 1 game per year not on Saturday.

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there is a niche for CUSA to grab. They could grab the early season Tuesday and Wed night spots and take a Maction position early in the season. While this would hurt attendance, if carefully done, it could have a minimum impact on attendance and a maximum impact on exposure and value to ESPN (which means more money for CUSA). That niche was worth 10 million a year for the MAC--no reason it couldn't yield similar results for CUSA.

Now, how do you minimize the impact on attendance? You restrict the Tuesday/Wed games to one home game per team and, if possible, you restrict them to the city schools as much as possible. Most of the attendance for city schools lives within their home cities---thus, the impact on their attendance is much less than it for schools in rural locations where the fans must travel to. I know in Houston our attednace was much less impacted by a mid-week game than a schools like ECU. As CUSA has expanded mostly with schools in large cities---it does present an opportunity for CUSA to get that mid-week exposure, give ESPN a very valuable commodity, and minimize the impact on attendance. Those early mid-week games don't have to be an attendance disaster like they are in the MAC.

I get the backlash against the concept--but I do think CUSA is in a unique position to pull it off better than most conferences.

I don't disagree with some of your points. We have been playing a Thurs game a year with the current contract so what does it hurt? Our Attendance will be what it is regardless. If the MAC is making that kind of money doing it then our brand is far more valuable at the same spot.

Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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Anytime someone tries to argue whether CUSA is below or even on par with the MAC, I laugh. That's an absurd notion. While stability may be on your side, your attendance and tv ratings prove to be in our favor.

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there is a niche for CUSA to grab. They could grab the early season Tuesday and Wed night spots and take a Maction position early in the season. While this would hurt attendance, if carefully done, it could have a minimum impact on attendance and a maximum impact on exposure and value to ESPN (which means more money for CUSA). That niche was worth 10 million a year for the MAC--no reason it couldn't yield similar results for CUSA.

Now, how do you minimize the impact on attendance? You restrict the Tuesday/Wed games to one home game per team and, if possible, you restrict them to the city schools as much as possible. Most of the attendance for city schools lives within their home cities---thus, the impact on their attendance is much less than it for schools in rural locations where the fans must travel to. I know in Houston our attednace was much less impacted by a mid-week game than a schools like ECU. As CUSA has expanded mostly with schools in large cities---it does present an opportunity for CUSA to get that mid-week exposure, give ESPN a very valuable commodity, and minimize the impact on attendance. Those early mid-week games don't have to be an attendance disaster like they are in the MAC.

I get the backlash against the concept--but I do think CUSA is in a unique position to pull it off better than most conferences.

I don't disagree with some of your points. We have been playing a Thurs game a year with the current contract so what does it hurt? Our Attendance will be what it is regardless. If the MAC is making that kind of money doing it then our brand is far more valuable at the same spot.

Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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What was your perception of the 2014 Boca Bowl?

(03-23-2016 12:10 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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What was your perception of the 2014 Boca Bowl?

And the MAC champ getting curb-stomped by the 3rd place SunBelt team?
And NIU's stellar performance getting boat-raced by 48 points to Boise?

My biggest gripe is for the networks to televise home games. It sure puts a crimp on attendance as El Pasoans are fair weather fans and would prefer staying home and watching it instead of going to the stadium. In a way I can see their point of staying but as a real fan I'd rather see them at the game or else not let them have access to it.

Really looking forward to the details of the next contract. How many games will ESPN networks show? How many times will we appear on ESPN/ESPN2 instead of U and News? What's access look like for ESPN3. I assume the football championship goes back to ESPN/ESPN2/ABC. What happens to the basketball tournament? Do we go midweek for ESPN coverage?

Who else is involved and how many games do they show? CBS, Fox, or NBC?

I'm almost certain ASN is back in play, but how do the selections work?

Can we push more basketball games to the secondary provider (CBS again?) than in the past. Can we push non-ASN basketball games to ESPN3?

(03-23-2016 12:46 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  My biggest gripe is for the networks to televise home games. It sure puts a crimp on attendance as El Pasoans are fair weather fans and would prefer staying home and watching it instead of going to the stadium. In a way I can see their point of staying but as a real fan I'd rather see them at the game or else not let them have access to it.

So, blackout rules? How would you implement that when the league is so reliant on locals watching it live on TV? I'm sure if you took Hampton Roads out of the TV market for ODU home games, our ratings would shrink considerably. And I would guess it wouldn't be much different around the entire league.

(03-23-2016 06:50 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  2007 is 9 seasons ago. The past 5 years both UTEP and USM have averaged 1 game per year not on Saturday.

We haven't played a home game on any day but Saturday since Fedora was hired. We simply refused to. Of course we can't do anything about away games.

BUT 11 am home games haven't helped our attendence either. Bower once said he could tell when Southern Miss fans had ample time to prepare for taking thier seats at the Rock. Atmosphere is night and day.

I wouldn't mind a Thursday night home game every other year though.

(03-23-2016 12:10 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there is a niche for CUSA to grab. They could grab the early season Tuesday and Wed night spots and take a Maction position early in the season. While this would hurt attendance, if carefully done, it could have a minimum impact on attendance and a maximum impact on exposure and value to ESPN (which means more money for CUSA). That niche was worth 10 million a year for the MAC--no reason it couldn't yield similar results for CUSA.

Now, how do you minimize the impact on attendance? You restrict the Tuesday/Wed games to one home game per team and, if possible, you restrict them to the city schools as much as possible. Most of the attendance for city schools lives within their home cities---thus, the impact on their attendance is much less than it for schools in rural locations where the fans must travel to. I know in Houston our attednace was much less impacted by a mid-week game than a schools like ECU. As CUSA has expanded mostly with schools in large cities---it does present an opportunity for CUSA to get that mid-week exposure, give ESPN a very valuable commodity, and minimize the impact on attendance. Those early mid-week games don't have to be an attendance disaster like they are in the MAC.

I get the backlash against the concept--but I do think CUSA is in a unique position to pull it off better than most conferences.

I don't disagree with some of your points. We have been playing a Thurs game a year with the current contract so what does it hurt? Our Attendance will be what it is regardless. If the MAC is making that kind of money doing it then our brand is far more valuable at the same spot.

Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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What was your perception of the 2014 Boca Bowl?

(03-23-2016 12:37 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 12:10 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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What was your perception of the 2014 Boca Bowl?

And the MAC champ getting curb-stomped by the 3rd place SunBelt team?
And NIU's stellar performance getting boat-raced by 48 points to Boise?

Let's see what the nation and media think of you with your TV deal. MACtion has its contract (a fairly good one if you ask me). Now you can sit here with all those FCS start ups you invited looking down on the MAC while most of the college football world looks down on you or you can try to change that perception. Your choice

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(03-23-2016 02:01 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 12:10 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think there is a niche for CUSA to grab. They could grab the early season Tuesday and Wed night spots and take a Maction position early in the season. While this would hurt attendance, if carefully done, it could have a minimum impact on attendance and a maximum impact on exposure and value to ESPN (which means more money for CUSA). That niche was worth 10 million a year for the MAC--no reason it couldn't yield similar results for CUSA.

Now, how do you minimize the impact on attendance? You restrict the Tuesday/Wed games to one home game per team and, if possible, you restrict them to the city schools as much as possible. Most of the attendance for city schools lives within their home cities---thus, the impact on their attendance is much less than it for schools in rural locations where the fans must travel to. I know in Houston our attednace was much less impacted by a mid-week game than a schools like ECU. As CUSA has expanded mostly with schools in large cities---it does present an opportunity for CUSA to get that mid-week exposure, give ESPN a very valuable commodity, and minimize the impact on attendance. Those early mid-week games don't have to be an attendance disaster like they are in the MAC.

I get the backlash against the concept--but I do think CUSA is in a unique position to pull it off better than most conferences.

I don't disagree with some of your points. We have been playing a Thurs game a year with the current contract so what does it hurt? Our Attendance will be what it is regardless. If the MAC is making that kind of money doing it then our brand is far more valuable at the same spot.

Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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What was your perception of the 2014 Boca Bowl?

(03-23-2016 12:37 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(03-23-2016 12:10 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 05:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Is it though? CUSA's perception around the league is not what I'd call "on the rise", I'd argue the opposite.

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What was your perception of the 2014 Boca Bowl?

And the MAC champ getting curb-stomped by the 3rd place SunBelt team?
And NIU's stellar performance getting boat-raced by 48 points to Boise?

Let's see what the nation and media think of you with your TV deal. MACtion has its contract (a fairly good one if you ask me). Now you can sit here looking down on the MAC was most of the college football world looks down on you or you can try to change that perception. Your choice

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Dude in all honesty you have no idea what the contract will look like, neither do we at this point. Your going to battle without ammo when talking about that stuff. Contract payout varies a lot, especially at the G5 level and some of it depends on whether or not the conference wants to be flexible playing a lot of midweek games. Now CUSA may have very well had to sell its soul this time around for an ok contract, who knows. This has less to do with perception than you think it does and more to do with the changing times. I don't think anyone here would argue that our contract was going to be as good considering the changes.

(03-23-2016 02:01 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Let's see what the nation and media think of you with your TV deal. MACtion has its contract (a fairly good one if you ask me). Now you can sit here with all those FCS start ups you invited looking down on the MAC while most of the college football world looks down on you or you can try to change that perception. Your choice

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I'm sure if we agreed to play on Tues/Wed we'd get a similar contract but as has been mentioned we have fans that want to attend our games.It doesn't make financial sense for us to be ESPN's midweek whore like it does for the MAC. But hey, thanks for the #MACtion because sometime it's hard to wait til Saturday for some college football.

(03-23-2016 02:01 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Let's see what the nation and media think of you with your TV deal. MACtion has its contract (a fairly good one if you ask me). Now you can sit here with all those FCS start ups you invited looking down on the MAC while most of the college football world looks down on you or you can try to change that perception. Your choice

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Give me Charlotte, UTSA, and Old Dominion any day over Eastern Michigan, Ball State, and Kent State.