(03-18-2016 09:39 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote: Not that I expect the Big 12 to do so, but expanding to 14 vs 12 would give them more voting power, more TV markets, a larger population base for recruiting, more chances at the playoff, a larger buffer against future raids and make it harder for Texas to escape the GOR's penalty by dissolving the conference. Fans of such schools as Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, TCU, Iowa State, Kansas State and WVU are idiots if they don't understand that expanding to 14 would be in their best long-term interests. Hold your nose if necessary, but take the medicine that is good for you.
more voting power in what?
individual programs generally do not vote on NCAA issues and a couple of more schools in the Big 12 would not change much of anything anyway
(03-18-2016 11:16 AM)ken d Wrote: (03-18-2016 10:22 AM)stxrunner Wrote: (03-18-2016 09:36 AM)ken d Wrote: (03-18-2016 09:11 AM)stxrunner Wrote: (03-16-2016 08:42 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: no it is not just stupid it is death
the Big 12 is much better off staying at 10 and playing 7 conference games and 5 OOC games and a CCG
it would be the best situation for all members and afford them the ability to craft their schedule for their needs
This is such a terrible idea. How exactly is the Big 12 going to schedule 5 OOC games in a world where teams are moving toward no FCS games and P5 conferences have 9 conference games?
Plan to watch a lot of BYU/G5 games. And if you want home buy games, forget about playing most solid G5 opponents.
The Big 12 doesn't have to do anything and it is arguable whether they should. But in my admittedly biased opinion, the play would be to add 2 teams, add a CCG, and extend the GOR past the ACC's. The unbalanced schedule actually helps teams get in the CFP by occasionally having 2 elite teams avoid playing each other. It's silly, but that's the world of the 14 team conferences you are competing against.
If you can shore your conference up (especially with a network) by the time the ACC GOR expires, there is a decent chance you can make a run at the schools you wanted all along (FSU/Clemson). But you have to be coming from a position of stability/strength to get that to happen. Maybe OU/Texas doesn't care about the Big 12, but if they did, that's the best go-forward plan. That allows you to run your own conference your way. The Big 12/ACC GOR expiration is a cage match event that will likely be the last consolidation of power among the P5. It is up to OU/Texas what kind of shape the B12 will be in going into that death struggle.
Would all five of those OOC games be part of the individual schools' Tier 3 rights? Maybe that's enough to satisfy Oklahoma, which is one of the few teams in the B12 whose Tier 3 rights are really valuable.
They would all have to be home games, at which point, you run into the issues I just mentioned about scheduling quality games.
Somehow, I think Oklahoma could find some quality opponents if they had five games to play with. Iowa State, not so much. But the Cyclones aren't a threat to pull out of the big 12.
exactly ISU and KU and others need to schedule right now for "wins" they have no concern with having a schedule that get s them a shot at the playoffs
and from a conference strength point of view an ISU or KU with 4 or 5 OOC wins over ANY D1-A school is better for the conference than a program with between 3 and 0 wins
the PAC 12 is 12 teams with 3 OOC games that is 36 games
Big 10 even going to 9 is 42 OOC games and the Big 10 is also ditching D1-AA games that opens up schedules epseically for teams that would not make a profit paying a D1-A G5 team $1 million + to buy in a home game they would be better off with a home and home
the SEC is staying at 4 OOC games that is 56 games
the ACC is 56 games
then independents that is 36 games at least
then you have G5 teams and again ISU, KU and Texas Tech love G5 games and are not concerned with the playoffs and those teams getting wins against anyone is better for the conference
in 2008 when Texas Tech had "da season!" they played EWU, UMass, 1-11 SMU and Nevada in the OOC and still ended the season #12.....so they played TWO D1-AA teams and one of the worst D1-A teams out there in the OOC
that is a HORRID OOC schedule, but Texas Tech fans eat that crap up and if they will buy tickets for that garbage that is their problem
Texas, OU, WVU and others that care will get the OOC games needed they are out there and available
and as much or more you get more Big 12 teams in bowl games and start the next seasons with more ranked teams and teams higher ranked and it builds
there is no "strength" for a conference or an individual teams schedule saying "well they were 3-9 IN THE BIG 12! or 0-12 IN THE BIG 12 WHERE EVERYONE PLAYS EVERYONE
there is strength in teams with better records especially at the end of the year
and even for the better Big 12 programs a 7-5 Cincy or UH is a better win than an 0-12 KU or 3-9 ISU
you combine the factors of divisional splits, teams not playing each other, a CCG that should have two good teams in it most years, more teams in bowl games and more teams higher ranked, and better overall strength of schedule removing some of the 0-12 conference teams AND having those conference teams start to go 5-7 or 6-6 and make bowls
and the schedule and strength takes care of itself
it is like pretty much all of the SEC with the exception of 2 teams or so playing a D1-AA game late in the season
they take a break, rest players, get back ups reps, put in new plays and let other conferences beat each other up and drop each other in rankings and it pays off
I am not saying the Big 12 should play D1-AA games in fact they should do away with them, but last season Texas played 11 P5 games no team in the SEC played that many and OU played 10 while only a couple of SEC teams played 9 P5 games and every Big 12 team played 9 P5 games while a large portion of the SEC played 8 P5 games AND played an D1-AA game
the difference is the bad SEC teams still can have 5 or 6 wins while in the Big 12 because of the mathematics of 9 conference games they have weaker teams overall at the lower end
the Big 12 does not have a strength of schedule issue as much as they have an issue with the math that 9 conference games brings and they have an issue with 3 OOC games not showcasing the conference enough outside of the conference
if you swap the OU win over Tennessee that ended the season last year 9-4 and instead have OU lose to Tennessee and beat Texas
OU still would have been 11-1, but they would not have made the playoffs and the SEC would have had Tennessee 10-3 and even higher ranked and the Big 12 would have had 6-6 Texas going to a horrible bowl
the OOC win mattered for OU much more than the loss to a bad Texas team in conference