(02-13-2016 01:32 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  What's the capacity of the arena?

Slightly over 10,500 officially, but they will be undergoing an expansion that will soon add more capacity and several suites (of course funded mostly by the Koch Brothers). They have sold out the place for years and I believe they have the longest string of official sellouts in the nation right now.

Its good to see a nice crowd in Wichita compared to some of the half full capacity gyms in the AAC.

Looking at the crowds of some of our games it's pathetic comparing it to Wichita state's crowd

(02-13-2016 04:15 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  Looking at the crowds of some of our games it's pathetic comparing it to Wichita state's crowd

Which is why we should go after them. Good for tv seeing sellouts.

(02-13-2016 04:29 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 04:15 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  Looking at the crowds of some of our games it's pathetic comparing it to Wichita state's crowd

Which is why we should go after them. Good for tv seeing sellouts.

We should have invited them as a non-football member long ago.

(02-13-2016 02:28 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 01:32 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  What's the capacity of the arena?

Slightly over 10,500 officially, but they will be undergoing an expansion that will soon add more capacity and several suites (of course funded mostly by the Koch Brothers). They have sold out the place for years and I believe they have the longest string of official sellouts in the nation right now.

Its good to see a nice crowd in Wichita compared to some of the half full capacity gyms in the AAC.

The only discussion regarding the inside of the arena is adding the sky boxes, which wouldn't add very many seats, if any. And we're hearing they may be backing off that plan.

Go Uconn

(02-15-2016 02:58 PM)RoyalShock Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 02:28 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 01:32 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  What's the capacity of the arena?

Slightly over 10,500 officially, but they will be undergoing an expansion that will soon add more capacity and several suites (of course funded mostly by the Koch Brothers). They have sold out the place for years and I believe they have the longest string of official sellouts in the nation right now.

Its good to see a nice crowd in Wichita compared to some of the half full capacity gyms in the AAC.

The only discussion regarding the inside of the arena is adding the sky boxes, which wouldn't add very many seats, if any. And we're hearing they may be backing off that plan.

/But

My reference was this article from the Wichita newspaper. But its over a year old. Thanks.

http://kansas.com/sports/college/wichita...94374.html

for the 100th time

Why add bball only now? We had that with teams that have large arenas, big tradition and east coast media coverage; their names were Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, St. Johns, Providence, etc.

You people acted happy when they left claiming that now we can have one conference with everybody playing fb and one mission blah blah blah blah (which I took as sour grapes at the time but i digress).

What happen to that?

And we are not in position to add a start up for fb either...this conference sucks as it is.

(02-16-2016 07:40 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  for the 100th time

Why add bball only now? We had that with teams that have large arenas, big tradition and east coast media coverage; their names were Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, St. Johns, Providence, etc.

You people acted happy when they left claiming that now we can have one conference with everybody playing fb and one mission blah blah blah blah (which I took as sour grapes at the time but i digress).

What happen to that?

And we are not in position to add a start up for fb either...this conference sucks as it is.

I want the best possible conference. If that means Navy FB only and 3 BB schools so be it.

(02-16-2016 09:14 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 07:40 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  for the 100th time

Why add bball only now? We had that with teams that have large arenas, big tradition and east coast media coverage; their names were Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, St. Johns, Providence, etc.

You people acted happy when they left claiming that now we can have one conference with everybody playing fb and one mission blah blah blah blah (which I took as sour grapes at the time but i digress).

What happen to that?

And we are not in position to add a start up for fb either...this conference sucks as it is.

I want the best possible conference. If that means Navy FB only and 3 BB schools so be it.

I WISH people wanted the "best possible conference" before the AAC added Tulane and Tulsa causing bball traditional powers in the C7 to bolt.

smh

(02-16-2016 09:55 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 09:14 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 07:40 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  for the 100th time

Why add bball only now? We had that with teams that have large arenas, big tradition and east coast media coverage; their names were Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, St. Johns, Providence, etc.

You people acted happy when they left claiming that now we can have one conference with everybody playing fb and one mission blah blah blah blah (which I took as sour grapes at the time but i digress).

What happen to that?

And we are not in position to add a start up for fb either...this conference sucks as it is.

I want the best possible conference. If that means Navy FB only and 3 BB schools so be it.

I WISH people wanted the "best possible conference" before the AAC added Tulane and Tulsa causing bball traditional powers in the C7 to bolt.

smh

That's not what caused them to bolt and you know better. The bolt was being formulated when Villanova conceded to allow Temple in.

(02-16-2016 09:55 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 09:14 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-16-2016 07:40 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  for the 100th time

Why add bball only now? We had that with teams that have large arenas, big tradition and east coast media coverage; their names were Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, St. Johns, Providence, etc.

You people acted happy when they left claiming that now we can have one conference with everybody playing fb and one mission blah blah blah blah (which I took as sour grapes at the time but i digress).

What happen to that?

And we are not in position to add a start up for fb either...this conference sucks as it is.

I want the best possible conference. If that means Navy FB only and 3 BB schools so be it.

I WISH people wanted the "best possible conference" before the AAC added Tulane and Tulsa causing bball traditional powers in the C7 to bolt.

smh

Blame UCF for Tulane, but at least they seem to be trying with a new stadium. I think losing the traditional big east powers is what caused the c-7 to bolt. There wasn't anything to save it. They piggybacked off of being a member of a conference that supports major football. Once that was gone there wasn't a huge benefit for them. Plus talks of losing more members existed which added to additional worries.

If we can nab 1-3 Olympic schools that can be a net positive for ncaa credits then it makes sense.

(02-13-2016 02:28 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 01:32 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  What's the capacity of the arena?

Slightly over 10,500 officially, but they will be undergoing an expansion that will soon add more capacity and several suites (of course funded mostly by the Koch Brothers). They have sold out the place for years and I believe they have the longest string of official sellouts in the nation right now.

Its good to see a nice crowd in Wichita compared to some of the half full capacity gyms in the AAC.

The Shockers have sold out basketball games for years. The only way for fans to get tickets is to buy on secondary markets like Stub Hub and the tickets aren't cheap. http://www.stubhub.com/wichita-state-bas...t/9402741/

The other way Shocker fans get to see their team play is to go to road games. Shocker fans travel very well. Visiting cities like Dallas, Houston, Memphis and Cincy would be a big improvement for Shocker fans over places like Terre Haute (I was there last weekend) Carbondale and Normal.

I would personally be pleased to see Wichita State join for non-football sports at the earliest opportunity.

And I'd be willing to hold a spot for them in football if/when they are ready to take that step. But there would need to be some clarity that "ready" is a judgment the current league-members would make, not Wichita State.

(02-25-2016 02:04 AM)shocker3 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 02:28 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 01:32 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  What's the capacity of the arena?

Slightly over 10,500 officially, but they will be undergoing an expansion that will soon add more capacity and several suites (of course funded mostly by the Koch Brothers). They have sold out the place for years and I believe they have the longest string of official sellouts in the nation right now.

Its good to see a nice crowd in Wichita compared to some of the half full capacity gyms in the AAC.

The Shockers have sold out basketball games for years. The only way for fans to get tickets is to buy on secondary markets like Stub Hub and the tickets aren't cheap. http://www.stubhub.com/wichita-state-bas...t/9402741/

The other way Shocker fans get to see their team play is to go to road games. Shocker fans travel very well. Visiting cities like Dallas, Houston, Memphis and Cincy would be a big improvement for Shocker fans over places like Terre Haute (I was there last weekend) Carbondale and Normal.

In my view, we have a slight attendance problem at the mid to lower levels of the AAC and that would be helped by a program with a long history of excellent attendance in a well regarded program that fits snugly into the gepgraphic and metro footprint of the conferences west side. There are actually only 5 teams in the west right now geographically and onlly 3 baseball schools, so imo this is a match made in heaven.

One of the problems (as well as advantages) with a metropolitan conference like ours is that we have to compete with so many other activities going on all the time - including pro sports teams, but that isn't the case with WSU which even though its a fairly large city, it isn't a pro sports hub. Programs like SMU, Tulane, Memphis and even Houston have the problem of competing with dozens of those events every year that cut into their attendance, but that shouldn't be a problem in Wichita with its properly placed geography and population size.

The other thing I like about WSU is that there is a huge demand for tickets from the general public, not just by the students who really don't provide a lot of revenue to the programs. But in Wichita, its the place to be.

I think if WSU would take FB off the table for the time being as an AAC sport, the AAC would love to sit and have a conversation about them joining us in the sports they compete in right now.

From a TU POV, I like the idea of getting WSU on the schedule twice each year (instead of just once) and i think Memphis, SMU, Tulane and Houston would as well. imo

(02-25-2016 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I would personally be pleased to see Wichita State join for non-football sports at the earliest opportunity.

And I'd be willing to hold a spot for them in football if/when they are ready to take that step. But there would need to be some clarity that "ready" is a judgment the current league-members would make, not Wichita State.

If this were an option I'm sure we'd take it. We may not exactly get a say in when we move up, but having a place ready for us would work. And I have no doubt that we'd do everything we could to be ready in relatively short order. And in the mean time, we'd have our other sports in a stronger conference with more like minded schools. I know I'd also be more tempted to travel to road games in Tulsa, Dallas, Houston and Memphis. All drivable and would make good weekend trips should that be when the games are played.

(02-26-2016 01:10 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I would personally be pleased to see Wichita State join for non-football sports at the earliest opportunity.

And I'd be willing to hold a spot for them in football if/when they are ready to take that step. But there would need to be some clarity that "ready" is a judgment the current league-members would make, not Wichita State.

If this were an option I'm sure we'd take it. We may not exactly get a say in when we move up, but having a place ready for us would work. And I have no doubt that we'd do everything we could to be ready in relatively short order. And in the mean time, we'd have our other sports in a stronger conference with more like minded schools. I know I'd also be more tempted to travel to road games in Tulsa, Dallas, Houston and Memphis. All drivable and would make good weekend trips should that be when the games are played.

I'm down to see WSU in the AAC. Though I'm not sure what WSU will look like on the hardcourt next year since VV & Baker are moving on.

(02-26-2016 02:14 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 01:10 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I would personally be pleased to see Wichita State join for non-football sports at the earliest opportunity.

And I'd be willing to hold a spot for them in football if/when they are ready to take that step. But there would need to be some clarity that "ready" is a judgment the current league-members would make, not Wichita State.

If this were an option I'm sure we'd take it. We may not exactly get a say in when we move up, but having a place ready for us would work. And I have no doubt that we'd do everything we could to be ready in relatively short order. And in the mean time, we'd have our other sports in a stronger conference with more like minded schools. I know I'd also be more tempted to travel to road games in Tulsa, Dallas, Houston and Memphis. All drivable and would make good weekend trips should that be when the games are played.

I'm down to see WSU in the AAC. Though I'm not sure what WSU will look like on the hardcourt next year since VV & Baker are moving on.

I'm not sure that matters because if WSU did jump to the AAC, they would instantly get a bigger and better recruiting profile that would help replace those players quickly. Right now they recruit more or less regionally, but with an AAC invite that would almost surely change to a national scope. Similar to our current recruiting right now.

(02-12-2016 03:16 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 02:21 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 01:55 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 12:29 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  Wichita state is not your normal start up.

And why is that?

for one thing they are established at a national level in other sports, they are in the largest city in kansas. They have a football history with many schools in the AAC that goes back decades. they are a large public university and have access to resources on a level with most schools in the AAC.

It's only 12,000 students, from an enrollment POV, it would be at the bottom of the AAC's public schools. But I still would add them for Bball immediately.

Not to quibble, but enrollment is now a little over 15,000.

(02-12-2016 10:28 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  The city population is 382,000, I think they could be successful in fb with the right coaching staff

Yes, with a metropolitan population of almost 640,000.

(02-26-2016 02:29 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 02:14 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 01:10 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 09:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I would personally be pleased to see Wichita State join for non-football sports at the earliest opportunity.

And I'd be willing to hold a spot for them in football if/when they are ready to take that step. But there would need to be some clarity that "ready" is a judgment the current league-members would make, not Wichita State.

If this were an option I'm sure we'd take it. We may not exactly get a say in when we move up, but having a place ready for us would work. And I have no doubt that we'd do everything we could to be ready in relatively short order. And in the mean time, we'd have our other sports in a stronger conference with more like minded schools. I know I'd also be more tempted to travel to road games in Tulsa, Dallas, Houston and Memphis. All drivable and would make good weekend trips should that be when the games are played.

I'm down to see WSU in the AAC. Though I'm not sure what WSU will look like on the hardcourt next year since VV & Baker are moving on.

I'm not sure that matters because if WSU did jump to the AAC, they would instantly get a bigger and better recruiting profile that would help replace those players quickly. Right now they recruit more or less regionally, but with an AAC invite that would almost surely change to a national scope. Similar to our current recruiting right now.

WSU hasn't been a more or less regional recruiter since before they joined the MVC in 1945. This season, out of our eighteen player roster, we do have five kansans, which an anomaly, as we would normally have only a couple of Kansans, but two are walk-ons, and Frankamp transferred in from KU. It is also not unusual for WSU to have a few players from surrounding states. But for more years than I can remember, WSU has recruited and signed a lot players from the Northeastern US. Marshall recruits and signs a lot of players from the Southeast US, and WSU always seems to have two or three players from other countries.

Believe it or not, even though TU is in the AAC, WSU has a larger basketball budget, and a larger basketball recruiting budget than TU; and we always will. But I suspect none of that really matters.