(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I think it's time for Rice to leave CUSA. We can't wait around anymore for our fellow members to "mature" into competitive FBS programs. Rice fans don't care much about CUSA competition, and are only marginally interested in our two biggest rivals, USM and LTU. The MWC may not be a big step up in competition, but it's members dohave more name recognition than CUSA's.

Getting a little off-topic (you aren't the only one)! There is no indication the MWC will have us or wants us.

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I also believe, now, that this class is light in star power due to our miserable season. Even though the program has improved overall, last season was a killer. It was a terrible, terrible season that many recruits witnessed in person and on TV.

The vast majority of these guys committed before Rice's 1st game, and certainly before Rice's loss to LaTech, which is really when the wheels started falling off. Up until LaTech, Rice was 3-3 with wins over the 3 teams everyone knew were weak and losses to the 3 teams expected to be stronger than Rice. The manner of the wins & losses didn't give us reason for confidence moving forward, but it wasn't until halfway through the season that things cratered.

As far as I can remember, Paxton Segina was the only commit that Rice lost (to Stanford). Who knows whether that was because of Rice's performance, or because Stanford is a better (or comparable) academic school with a better athletic program and football team. So basically, there is no evidence that, if this year's recruiting class is a step down as many of us fear, it had anything to do with the 2015 football season.

(08-23-2015 03:36 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Stephanie Kuzydym ‏@stephkuzy 18m18 minutes ago
CB Jameel Moore (5-10,160, Cedar Hill) committed to Rice.

(02-04-2016 12:48 AM)jhruzek Wrote:  Where would our class have been ranked if we had signed both Seguina and Moore? Maybe we have fallen off because other schools are paying more attention to our recruiting than they did before our recent bowl run.

Wow, I didn't even realize Moore has switched his committment to North Texas. Just happened on Monday (2/1) and was not mentioned here or by any recruiting website or anyone who covers Rice on twitter. He wasn't an elite recruit or anything (2-star guy across the board), just suprised it slipped through without anyone commenting.

Does this mean Rice has 1 additional scholarship? Or are they just going to give the scholarship to a walk-on? Or maybe they knew it was happening (academic casualty?) and that explains having both Granson and Sanchez commit after Segina switched his commitment?

(02-04-2016 03:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I think it's time for Rice to leave CUSA. We can't wait around anymore for our fellow members to "mature" into competitive FBS programs. Rice fans don't care much about CUSA competition, and are only marginally interested in our two biggest rivals, USM and LTU. The MWC may not be a big step up in competition, but it's members dohave more name recognition than CUSA's.

Getting a little off-topic (you aren't the only one)! There is no indication the MWC will have us or wants us.

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I also believe, now, that this class is light in star power due to our miserable season. Even though the program has improved overall, last season was a killer. It was a terrible, terrible season that many recruits witnessed in person and on TV.

The vast majority of these guys committed before Rice's 1st game, and certainly before Rice's loss to LaTech, which is really when the wheels started falling off. Up until LaTech, Rice was 3-3 with wins over the 3 teams everyone knew were weak and losses to the 3 teams expected to be stronger than Rice. The manner of the wins & losses didn't give us reason for confidence moving forward, but it wasn't until halfway through the season that things cratered.

As far as I can remember, Paxton Segina was the only commit that Rice lost (to Stanford). Who knows whether that was because of Rice's performance, or because Stanford is a better (or comparable) academic school with a better athletic program and football team. So basically, there is no evidence that, if this year's recruiting class is a step down as many of us fear, it had anything to do with the 2015 football season.

Yeah and it's not like we threw a bunch of offers out there to kids who didn't commit, either. This seems to be by and large the group of guys that Bailiff and co. wanted.

More info on Moore: http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2016/0...-unt.html/

(02-04-2016 03:24 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I think it's time for Rice to leave CUSA. We can't wait around anymore for our fellow members to "mature" into competitive FBS programs. Rice fans don't care much about CUSA competition, and are only marginally interested in our two biggest rivals, USM and LTU. The MWC may not be a big step up in competition, but it's members dohave more name recognition than CUSA's.

Getting a little off-topic (you aren't the only one)! There is no indication the MWC will have us or wants us.

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I also believe, now, that this class is light in star power due to our miserable season. Even though the program has improved overall, last season was a killer. It was a terrible, terrible season that many recruits witnessed in person and on TV.

The vast majority of these guys committed before Rice's 1st game, and certainly before Rice's loss to LaTech, which is really when the wheels started falling off. Up until LaTech, Rice was 3-3 with wins over the 3 teams everyone knew were weak and losses to the 3 teams expected to be stronger than Rice. The manner of the wins & losses didn't give us reason for confidence moving forward, but it wasn't until halfway through the season that things cratered.

As far as I can remember, Paxton Segina was the only commit that Rice lost (to Stanford). Who knows whether that was because of Rice's performance, or because Stanford is a better (or comparable) academic school with a better athletic program and football team. So basically, there is no evidence that, if this year's recruiting class is a step down as many of us fear, it had anything to do with the 2015 football season.

Yeah and it's not like we threw a bunch of offers out there to kids who didn't commit, either. This seems to be by and large the group of guys that Bailiff and co. wanted.

That says a lot. These signees honored their commitment, despite last season. If these are the players that Bailiff wanted, then we'll just have to trust that they're more talented than anyone gives them credit for, or that they have potential that only a well-trained eye can see. They must really love Rice and the coaching staff to stick around.

(02-04-2016 03:45 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:24 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I think it's time for Rice to leave CUSA. We can't wait around anymore for our fellow members to "mature" into competitive FBS programs. Rice fans don't care much about CUSA competition, and are only marginally interested in our two biggest rivals, USM and LTU. The MWC may not be a big step up in competition, but it's members dohave more name recognition than CUSA's.

Getting a little off-topic (you aren't the only one)! There is no indication the MWC will have us or wants us.

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I also believe, now, that this class is light in star power due to our miserable season. Even though the program has improved overall, last season was a killer. It was a terrible, terrible season that many recruits witnessed in person and on TV.

The vast majority of these guys committed before Rice's 1st game, and certainly before Rice's loss to LaTech, which is really when the wheels started falling off. Up until LaTech, Rice was 3-3 with wins over the 3 teams everyone knew were weak and losses to the 3 teams expected to be stronger than Rice. The manner of the wins & losses didn't give us reason for confidence moving forward, but it wasn't until halfway through the season that things cratered.

As far as I can remember, Paxton Segina was the only commit that Rice lost (to Stanford). Who knows whether that was because of Rice's performance, or because Stanford is a better (or comparable) academic school with a better athletic program and football team. So basically, there is no evidence that, if this year's recruiting class is a step down as many of us fear, it had anything to do with the 2015 football season.

Yeah and it's not like we threw a bunch of offers out there to kids who didn't commit, either. This seems to be by and large the group of guys that Bailiff and co. wanted.

That says a lot. These signees honored their commitment, despite last season. If these are the players that Bailiff wanted, then we'll just have to trust that they're more talented than anyone gives them credit for, or that they have potential that only a well-trained eye can see. They must really love Rice and the coaching staff to stick around.

Not true. Go to the 247 page and see the offer list. We missed on almost all of the guys Bailiff and co wanted.

I don't know what to believe anymore. Some state we didn't get who we wanted, while others state that we kept all but one signee. My hunch is that it's a little of both. This recruiting class is definitely a step down from all the others, I just don't know by how much. All the information is inconsistent. I've watched the Rivals site regularly, and it looks like all the players stayed with us from the beginning. Hell, I don't know what the hell is going on (here you go OCO).

(02-04-2016 03:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:45 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:24 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I think it's time for Rice to leave CUSA. We can't wait around anymore for our fellow members to "mature" into competitive FBS programs. Rice fans don't care much about CUSA competition, and are only marginally interested in our two biggest rivals, USM and LTU. The MWC may not be a big step up in competition, but it's members dohave more name recognition than CUSA's.

Getting a little off-topic (you aren't the only one)! There is no indication the MWC will have us or wants us.

(02-04-2016 03:02 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I also believe, now, that this class is light in star power due to our miserable season. Even though the program has improved overall, last season was a killer. It was a terrible, terrible season that many recruits witnessed in person and on TV.

The vast majority of these guys committed before Rice's 1st game, and certainly before Rice's loss to LaTech, which is really when the wheels started falling off. Up until LaTech, Rice was 3-3 with wins over the 3 teams everyone knew were weak and losses to the 3 teams expected to be stronger than Rice. The manner of the wins & losses didn't give us reason for confidence moving forward, but it wasn't until halfway through the season that things cratered.

As far as I can remember, Paxton Segina was the only commit that Rice lost (to Stanford). Who knows whether that was because of Rice's performance, or because Stanford is a better (or comparable) academic school with a better athletic program and football team. So basically, there is no evidence that, if this year's recruiting class is a step down as many of us fear, it had anything to do with the 2015 football season.

Yeah and it's not like we threw a bunch of offers out there to kids who didn't commit, either. This seems to be by and large the group of guys that Bailiff and co. wanted.

That says a lot. These signees honored their commitment, despite last season. If these are the players that Bailiff wanted, then we'll just have to trust that they're more talented than anyone gives them credit for, or that they have potential that only a well-trained eye can see. They must really love Rice and the coaching staff to stick around.

Not true. Go to the 247 page and see the offer list. We missed on almost all of the guys Bailiff and co wanted.

I am. We offered 54 guys. Of those, 6 were 4 or 5 star guys we had absolutely zero chance of landing. Only seven guys we offered went to other G5s. We signed 18 of 48 two and three star guys we offered.

That is a really high percentage. SMU, for example, offered over 150 kids. Signed 25. UH also offered over 150, and signed 19. Stanford offered 82. Alabama offered over 250 and signed 25.

Basically my point is, we weren't peppering the nation with offers trying to find kids better than the ones we signed. At most positions, we offered zero or one other realistic option at that position other than the guy we signed.

(02-04-2016 03:45 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  They must really love Rice and the coaching staff to stick around.

Or the fact that they have limited other offers.

(02-04-2016 04:43 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:45 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:24 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:11 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Getting a little off-topic (you aren't the only one)! There is no indication the MWC will have us or wants us.



The vast majority of these guys committed before Rice's 1st game, and certainly before Rice's loss to LaTech, which is really when the wheels started falling off. Up until LaTech, Rice was 3-3 with wins over the 3 teams everyone knew were weak and losses to the 3 teams expected to be stronger than Rice. The manner of the wins & losses didn't give us reason for confidence moving forward, but it wasn't until halfway through the season that things cratered.

As far as I can remember, Paxton Segina was the only commit that Rice lost (to Stanford). Who knows whether that was because of Rice's performance, or because Stanford is a better (or comparable) academic school with a better athletic program and football team. So basically, there is no evidence that, if this year's recruiting class is a step down as many of us fear, it had anything to do with the 2015 football season.

Yeah and it's not like we threw a bunch of offers out there to kids who didn't commit, either. This seems to be by and large the group of guys that Bailiff and co. wanted.

That says a lot. These signees honored their commitment, despite last season. If these are the players that Bailiff wanted, then we'll just have to trust that they're more talented than anyone gives them credit for, or that they have potential that only a well-trained eye can see. They must really love Rice and the coaching staff to stick around.

Not true. Go to the 247 page and see the offer list. We missed on almost all of the guys Bailiff and co wanted.

I am. We offered 54 guys. Of those, 6 were 4 or 5 star guys we had absolutely zero chance of landing. Only seven guys we offered went to other G5s. We signed 18 of 48 two and three star guys we offered.

That is a really high percentage. SMU, for example, offered over 150 kids. Signed 25. UH also offered over 150, and signed 19. Stanford offered 82. Alabama offered over 250 and signed 25.

Basically my point is, we weren't peppering the nation with offers trying to find kids better than the ones we signed. At most positions, we offered zero or one other realistic option at that position other than the guy we signed.

Good perspective. I hope it's true. We didn't land any three-star recruits, but we did grab a class full of players who have two, and that's a positive.

I don't get that excited about recruiting. No matter how many stars, none of them have done anything at the next level yet. I remember when people on here thought that landing Driphus was equivalent to the Second Coming. He was a good collegiate quarterback, but hardly the savior. I think he was at least partly limited by not being used in ways that maximized his abilities.

We're not going to win big by out-recruiting everybody else. We're going to have to develop players, and out-scheme and out-execute opponents in order to win. I think this staff actually does a pretty good job of developing players. The numbers in the NFL would suggest that. I haven't seen much in the way of out-scheming or out-executing anybody.

I just read the biographies of all of our signees on Riceowls.com, and it looks like we've got some very good athletes coming in. We're set at the quarterback position with Glaesman. We now have him and Granato as our future. Both these guys can play, I only hope that we can take advantage of their passing skills from within our offense. The offensive linemen we signed are enormous by anyone's standards. I think we'll be alright. These guys definitely aren't a bunch of nobodies, I don't care how few stars they have behind their names.

(02-05-2016 01:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't get that excited about recruiting. No matter how many stars, none of them have done anything at the next level yet. I remember when people on here thought that landing Driphus was equivalent to the Second Coming. He was a good collegiate quarterback, but hardly the savior. I think he was at least partly limited by not being used in ways that maximized his abilities.

We're not going to win big by out-recruiting everybody else. We're going to have to develop players, and out-scheme and out-execute opponents in order to win. I think this staff actually does a pretty good job of developing players. The numbers in the NFL would suggest that. I haven't seen much in the way of out-scheming or out-executing anybody.

Driphus only won 2 bowls games for us, and I don't think many thought he was a savior coming in, not sure he had any other offers as a QB. But I agree with your overall point.

IIRC most of this class was committed prior to the losing season and prior to being rated by Rivals, etc. Our coaches have a decent track record of identifying good talent that otherwise gets overlooked. On paper we have very good size in this class but few stars. We'll just have to wait and see.

(02-06-2016 02:15 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  I don't think many thought he was a savior coming in

Really?

Go back and read the posts. I got into multiple heated arguments with more than one other poster about this very point back then.

Don't want to make too big a point of this, since you basically agree with me. As far as Driphus, one big problem is that we never modified the offense to take advantage of what he does best. He's not a drop back pocket passer, but that's what we tried to make him be. Square pegs in round holes. Funny, but I used to blame Mensa for that. Now that he and Bailiff have gone separate ways, it has become increasingly clear that Mensa wasn't the problem.

Think about how much more effective Driphus would have been if we had let him run the offense that Dinger put together for Bert Emanuel.

http://www.underdogdynasty.com/conferenc...2016-class

Not encouraging

Not surprising when you should have fired everyone this year. Bailiff did a half ass job at recruiting because he knows this is his last year.

Bailiff may be gone soon, but it's completely erroneous to imply that he's taking his foot off the gas. Every recruit signed was targeted by the coaching staff long ago, probably before any recruiting service took notice of any of them. Don't worry though, Bailiff will be gone soon enough, then Rice football can be the next poor sucker's albatross to wear for a few years. Bailiff has done his job, but we've plateaued, and the program needs some new blood. Bailff needs a new challenge as well. I don't think he's necessarily married to Rice anymore.

(02-15-2016 12:14 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Bailiff may be gone soon, but it's completely erroneous to imply that he's taking his foot off the gas. Every recruit signed was targeted by the coaching staff long ago, probably before any recruiting service took notice of any of them. Don't worry though, Bailiff will be gone soon enough, then Rice football can be the next poor sucker's albatross to wear for a few years. Bailiff has done his job, but we've plateaued, and the program needs some new blood. Bailff needs a new challenge as well. I don't think he's necessarily married to Rice anymore.

I agree. He probably looked at the schedule and said there is no way to get a signature win next year and even compete for the conf championship. I am sure these players were being recruited for awhile but only if his top choices did not accept. I think when Bailiff is gone you will see a resurgence in football. Dr k would finally hire his choice and he has done a great job in all the other sports. I am not sure why he was kept around for another year but I would guess Dr K felt he should get one final chance to redeem himself since he has done a decent job or maybe it was economics but I hope not.