Give the Dude a chance

(02-13-2016 04:09 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Give the Dude a chance

Sure. Just as soon as he earns it by being an assistant coach and working his way up to being a high major assistant or when he starts at a lower division d1 school as a head coach and has success there.

Have you not been paying attention to the last 7 years?

Penny is a nice dude but no, just no. Nevermind the absolute stupidity he displayed during his youth and the *ahem* permanent reminder of that stupidity he still has firmly lodged in his foot. He's a nice guy. Always has been but he's just not exactly qualified in a couple of areas to coach. It's hard to say what needs to be said without being...mean.

(02-13-2016 12:59 PM)Its our time Wrote:  This sounds like Penny really does want the job. I am torn. I think of Clyde Drexler at Houston.
Like everyone else, I would hate to see Penny not succeed at the program he helped build.
Conversely, is there a better or well known name in the world to oversee the Memphis Tigers brand? He is smart, articulate, respected. He is a superstar. And he seems to want to take on this challenge. He would absolutely be able to recruit. He would drive ticket sales immediately.
Based on what I hear the AAU players say---he seems to command respect.
Is it a risk? Yes. But would be do better than the incumbent? I really do think so.
And he is a bigger splash hire than any of the names we've heard being mentioned as realistic candidates. And I don't think we would have to break the bank on the front end to hire him.
Other than that little issue of 10 mill for JP.
Thoughts???

You have Clyde Drexler, and then you have Fred Hoiberg.

It's not based on past performance; it's based on what the player can do.

Penny might be a great coach. He might be able to assemble a team of assistants that make up for his inexperience and deficiencies. Josh Pastner wasn't super experienced and we took a chance on him.

I don't know if I'd want to take a chance on Penny. But I get a sense he'd be a coach like Larry Bird who just has an amazing team of coaches around him and he delegates.

But I'd rather find the coach at the lower level Division 1 school he has been knocking out of the park and would kill it with a bigger budget.

if we've learned something besides over paying an inexperienced coach, we'll use the time we have wisely to get an experienced best fit coach. if we can't do that, then, dayum.

I assume pearl > penny. but still dayum. I thought at least a good coach could win with mediocre players vs. a bad coach can't win elite players. Alabama is doing pretty well, and auburn, not so much. however, if pearl had our lineup, I believe he'd win. and again, UoM is regarded by recruits as a great program. that, I think is a big reason why pearl would want to coach here. yes?

GTG

(02-13-2016 02:12 PM)ddramone Wrote:  Fred Hoiberg and Kevin Ollie were journeymen in the NBA. NBA superstars do not generally become good college HC's. Plus, Penny has ZERO experience.....both Hoiberg and Ollie had plenty of years of experience before taking a HC job.

This would be a potentially program-killing hire. I am not an alarmist, but face it, we are averaging less than 6k/game and if we make another bad hire, we are doomed to becoming St. John's, Houston, DePaul. Formerly very good programs that are located in NBA cities and all are totally irrelevant on ANY scene whatsoever.

You don't really have an large enough sample to make that determination.

Can he start tomorrow

whomever is hired as the new coach, penny maybe a good recruiter on the staff

(02-13-2016 04:47 PM)tigeriron Wrote:  whomever is hired as the new coach, penny maybe a good recruiter on the staff

He isn't going to be an assistant

Would be a terrible hire based on what we need. Bowen should be fired if they don't poach a coach that has won a game in the tournament.

(02-13-2016 04:48 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 04:47 PM)tigeriron Wrote:  whomever is hired as the new coach, penny maybe a good recruiter on the staff

He isn't going to be an assistant

then I already don't like him. if he really believes he can be a miracle worker, and he may just be the only one, without the benefit of D1 coaching experience, then he'll have to be.

it may seem I'm changing my tune as the thread goes on, but if he's that confident he could make a big difference as our coach, I'd feel alot better if he was realistic about his short comings.

I assume that's what you're alluding to.

Anybody want to report on how his hs team looks?

(02-13-2016 06:34 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  Anybody want to report on how his hs team looks?

I don't know but I think Hardaway would do well to let his legacy stay in tact. Two or Three yrs from now the natives will turn on him at the first sign of trouble.

(02-13-2016 04:28 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 02:12 PM)ddramone Wrote:  Fred Hoiberg and Kevin Ollie were journeymen in the NBA. NBA superstars do not generally become good college HC's. Plus, Penny has ZERO experience.....both Hoiberg and Ollie had plenty of years of experience before taking a HC job.

This would be a potentially program-killing hire. I am not an alarmist, but face it, we are averaging less than 6k/game and if we make another bad hire, we are doomed to becoming St. John's, Houston, DePaul. Formerly very good programs that are located in NBA cities and all are totally irrelevant on ANY scene whatsoever.

You don't really have an large enough sample to make that determination.

I would tend to agree with that, however, Penny has ZERO HC experience, let alone assistant coach in the college ranks. The risk is way, way too high to hire Penny at this point.

Drexler was an absolute catastrophe at Houston, but at the point that they hired Drexler, the Coogs were averaging about 500 people to a game in a rundown, dingy gym. There was really no downside.

The Tigers, on the other hand, were a couple years removed from averaging 16k (I know, I know, not really 16k in the stands) in tickets sold. The Coogs were reporting an average crowd of 2,500 (in terms of tickets sold).

Drexler had zero HC experience, let alone assistant coaching experience. In his last season, Drexler failed to show up for his own coaches show! He literally phoned it in during is last season. A total debacle.

I could see having him on staff but as the head coach right off the bat?

(02-13-2016 03:54 PM)jgardne Wrote:  It's a terrible idea. He has no major coaching experience. He is less qualified than pastner was

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why does everyone keep referring to Clyde Drexler when referring to Penny? Clyde came in off the street with no coaching experience. True enough Penny has no D1 assistant coach experience , but that didn't help Josh out one bit did it. Why cant Penny be thought of more as a Fred Hoiberg? who also had no experience in coaching, and found a niche' with transfer players at Iowa State. The head coach in many cases is the manager, or closer in recruiting. A good bench of assistant coaches who may already have been head coaches, and a player getter or two on staff would be all that Penny needs. We can all agree that Calipari is no great X&O coach, but his teams win. I just really think that it is a disservice to Penny to keep comparing that man to Porter, and Drexler. When Penny talks you can understand what he is saying unlike those two examples, and he seems to know what he's talking about.

(02-13-2016 04:18 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  Penny is a nice dude but no, just no. Nevermind the absolute stupidity he displayed during his youth and the *ahem* permanent reminder of that stupidity he still has firmly lodged in his foot. He's a nice guy. Always has been but he's just not exactly qualified in a couple of areas to coach. It's hard to say what needs to be said without being...mean.

I can agree that we don't need to hire Penny(not against it either).
But not for the stupid reason you put forth.

(02-13-2016 07:06 PM)littledarrell1065 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 06:34 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  Anybody want to report on how his hs team looks?

I don't know but I think Hardaway would do well to let his legacy stay in tact. Two or Three yrs from now the natives will turn on him at the first sign of trouble.

No way he would get 3 years it's already been established by the mto police that a coach had to have at least an elite 8 by year 4

(02-13-2016 12:10 PM)macphil30 Wrote:  

(02-13-2016 12:05 PM)Guitarman Wrote:  Penny = Classy!!!

Hardaway addresses Memphis job

Hire Penny and get him some good assistants.

Head Coach: Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway
Associate Head Coach: Stan Jones
Assistant Coach: Damon Stoudemire or Glen Cyprien
Assistant Coach: Keelon Lawson