(02-11-2016 10:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:48 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  I understood that Bowen was brought in to fix football and several of his moves seemed to suggest that Bball had to take a back seat in order to do what was necessary to turn around the football program.

What I don't understand is why he felt like he had to go along with Pastner's contract extension. Even if Pastner had lived up to the potential, this contract tied up millions of booster donations for years.

You don't tie up millions from boosters without the boosters wanting to do it

And you don't have much of an AD if you do everything the boosters want. Pastner has a contract with the UofM not FedEx or Saks or Chesapeake Energy. Bowen didn't have to sign it.

(02-11-2016 10:53 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:48 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  I understood that Bowen was brought in to fix football and several of his moves seemed to suggest that Bball had to take a back seat in order to do what was necessary to turn around the football program.

What I don't understand is why he felt like he had to go along with Pastner's contract extension. Even if Pastner had lived up to the potential, this contract tied up millions of booster donations for years.

You don't tie up millions from boosters without the boosters wanting to do it

And you don't have much of an AD if you do everything the boosters want. Pastner has a contract with the UofM not FedEx or Saks or Chesapeake Energy. Bowen didn't have to sign it.

This! I can't believe people are giving Bowen a pass.

(02-11-2016 10:46 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:19 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Tom Bowen is responsible for arguably the worst contract in college basketball history. That will stick with him. He's been looking for other jobs (Cal, Illinois), but I can't imagine he'll get one with that on his resume. He basically crippled a proud bball program.

As for those of you who want to argue that the Pastner contract isn't his fault, that's BS. He's the athletic director for crying out loud. It was his call.

Wasn't he new on the job when the extension was done? Not saying you are wrong, but someone else higher I would think ok'd it. Was Dr. Raines still the President ?

The president would always ok a contract of that magnitude, no matter whether the AD had been there 3 months or 30 years.

(02-11-2016 10:53 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:48 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  I understood that Bowen was brought in to fix football and several of his moves seemed to suggest that Bball had to take a back seat in order to do what was necessary to turn around the football program.

What I don't understand is why he felt like he had to go along with Pastner's contract extension. Even if Pastner had lived up to the potential, this contract tied up millions of booster donations for years.

You don't tie up millions from boosters without the boosters wanting to do it

And you don't have much of an AD if you do everything the boosters want. Pastner has a contract with the UofM not FedEx or Saks or Chesapeake Energy. Bowen didn't have to sign it.

And run the risks of pissing off some of the biggest boosters we have?

(02-11-2016 10:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:53 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:48 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  I understood that Bowen was brought in to fix football and several of his moves seemed to suggest that Bball had to take a back seat in order to do what was necessary to turn around the football program.

What I don't understand is why he felt like he had to go along with Pastner's contract extension. Even if Pastner had lived up to the potential, this contract tied up millions of booster donations for years.

You don't tie up millions from boosters without the boosters wanting to do it

And you don't have much of an AD if you do everything the boosters want. Pastner has a contract with the UofM not FedEx or Saks or Chesapeake Energy. Bowen didn't have to sign it.

This! I can't believe people are giving Bowen a pass.

Yet give him full credit for hiring arguably the best coach in Memphis history for football. And trash Martin for Pastner's contract while giving him little to no credit as the interim Prez who hired Fuente.

(02-11-2016 10:59 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:53 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:48 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  I understood that Bowen was brought in to fix football and several of his moves seemed to suggest that Bball had to take a back seat in order to do what was necessary to turn around the football program.

What I don't understand is why he felt like he had to go along with Pastner's contract extension. Even if Pastner had lived up to the potential, this contract tied up millions of booster donations for years.

You don't tie up millions from boosters without the boosters wanting to do it

And you don't have much of an AD if you do everything the boosters want. Pastner has a contract with the UofM not FedEx or Saks or Chesapeake Energy. Bowen didn't have to sign it.

This! I can't believe people are giving Bowen a pass.

Yet give him full credit for hiring arguably the best coach in Memphis history for football. And trash Martin for Pastner's contract while giving him little to no credit as the interim Prez who hired Fuente.

We have a winner. You and I are on the same page here.

Bowen will be at Memphis a looooong time unless he takes a non AD position or an AD position at a lower tier school. There's a reason he didn't get the Cal job or the Illinois job or probably others he's applied for.

(02-11-2016 10:59 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:53 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:48 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  I understood that Bowen was brought in to fix football and several of his moves seemed to suggest that Bball had to take a back seat in order to do what was necessary to turn around the football program.

What I don't understand is why he felt like he had to go along with Pastner's contract extension. Even if Pastner had lived up to the potential, this contract tied up millions of booster donations for years.

You don't tie up millions from boosters without the boosters wanting to do it

And you don't have much of an AD if you do everything the boosters want. Pastner has a contract with the UofM not FedEx or Saks or Chesapeake Energy. Bowen didn't have to sign it.

This! I can't believe people are giving Bowen a pass.

Yet give him full credit for hiring arguably the best coach in Memphis history for football. And trash Martin for Pastner's contract while giving him little to no credit as the interim Prez who hired Fuente.

People keep saying that basketball doesn't matter, it's all about football. The success of the football program has everything to do with Justin Fuente. He put a winning product on the field. I'm hoping for the best, but let's see how long it continues.

And Fuente was hired by a search committee that Brad Martin commissioned. It wasn't Bowen. Bowen was hired at the same time.

(02-11-2016 10:50 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Here's what amazes me: the anger on this board is directed at Pastner and not Bowen. It's not Pastner's fault he has the contract he does. It's not his fault the University can't get rid of him.

Yet, the state of the program is largely his fault. We're angry at that. The Contract is something that perpetuates it maybe. (Jury is still out on what actually happens at season's end.) But The Contract is not The Problem. It's an obstacle to overcoming The Problem.

Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to do.

(02-11-2016 06:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to do.

I think I'd like to see the revenue/expense numbers for football and basketball for the last four or more years before I accept football at Memphis as a "MUCH better" revenue generator than basketball. I suspect prior to last year, basketball has always dwarfed football in gross profit.

And I don't think, if you had thrown in "and to preside over the destruction of basketball" into his job description, that you would've been able to get out of committee with that one. He's not doing everything he was hired to do, which includes not killing basketball.

(02-11-2016 06:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

and basketball STILL pays the bills

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to kdo.

If basketball is neglected much longer, there won't be an athletic department here. With this razor-thin budget, we can look pat a year plan for anything. If that.

(02-11-2016 10:30 AM)Smith Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:27 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:25 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  fire him too?

You certainly won't have to be concerned about him being scooped up by someone else.

I think you are quite wrong about that. Can you name a better athletic director that we ever had?

That's a trick question.

Lol

(02-11-2016 10:27 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:25 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  fire him too?

You certainly won't have to be concerned about him being scooped up by someone else.

I think you are quite wrong about that. Can you name a better athletic director that we ever had?

Might we say they've all been very bad?

(02-11-2016 06:30 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to do.

I think I'd like to see the revenue/expense numbers for football and basketball for the last four or more years before I accept football at Memphis as a "MUCH better" revenue generator than basketball. I suspect prior to last year, basketball has always dwarfed football in gross profit.

And I don't think, if you had thrown in "and to preside over the destruction of basketball" into his job description, that you would've been able to get out of committee with that one. He's not doing everything he was hired to do, which includes not killing basketball.

Thank you, MTigerBlue. I still don't think the football program is generating revenue. And if someone wants to make the argument that Bowen is setting us up for a P5 invite, call me when that happens.

In the meantime, Bowen has crushed the one revenue generating sport Memphis had.

(02-11-2016 06:53 PM)bengltgrs Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:27 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:25 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 10:22 AM)fsquid Wrote:  fire him too?

You certainly won't have to be concerned about him being scooped up by someone else.

I think you are quite wrong about that. Can you name a better athletic director that we ever had?

Might we say they've all been very bad?

This.

(02-11-2016 06:38 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

and basketball STILL pays the bills

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to kdo.

If basketball is neglected much longer, there won't be an athletic department here. With this razor-thin budget, we can look pat a year plan for anything. If that.

There is a growing number of boosters who feel slighted and angered by Bowen, real or imagined. lol. I'll be a monkey's uncle if that's what he was hired to do.

(02-11-2016 09:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:38 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

and basketball STILL pays the bills

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to kdo.

If basketball is neglected much longer, there won't be an athletic department here. With this razor-thin budget, we can look pat a year plan for anything. If that.

There is a growing number of boosters who feel slighted and angered by Bowen, real or imagined. lol. I'll be a monkey's uncle if that's what he was hired to do.

Not the ones that matter

(02-11-2016 06:30 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to do.

I think I'd like to see the revenue/expense numbers for football and basketball for the last four or more years before I accept football at Memphis as a "MUCH better" revenue generator than basketball. I suspect prior to last year, basketball has always dwarfed football in gross profit.

And I don't think, if you had thrown in "and to preside over the destruction of basketball" into his job description, that you would've been able to get out of committee with that one. He's not doing everything he was hired to do, which includes not killing basketball.

Are you one of those guys who takes a quote like "MUCH better" and places it out of context for your own benefit? Never, ever did I say or imply that football at Memphis is a higher revenue generator than basketball.

Bowen was brought in to build football and he has. He inherited an incompetent bb coach. He's not destroying basketball. He just hasn't cleaned up the mess yet. Funny, since he's supposed to be the "axe man".

(02-11-2016 09:56 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 09:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:38 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 06:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Here's the thing. Right now football > basketball. Conferences tell us that. TV tells us that. $$$$ tell us that.

We've just come off a two-year run in football that is the best in 50 years.

Basketball is set for our worst two-year run in 15 years.

and basketball STILL pays the bills

With the importance of football, this "50-year" success is MUCH better than our "15-year" basketball failure. Bowen is doing what he was hired to kdo.

If basketball is neglected much longer, there won't be an athletic department here. With this razor-thin budget, we can look pat a year plan for anything. If that.

There is a growing number of boosters who feel slighted and angered by Bowen, real or imagined. lol. I'll be a monkey's uncle if that's what he was hired to do.

Not the ones that matter

lol. Is that you, Mr Bowen?

RC was still AD when Fuente was hired.