Edit: kids got ahold of the phone

Nothing screams "Big Time College Football" like playing in a soccer stadium...

I wonder why Villanova didn't think of this.

(01-30-2016 02:16 PM)#41 Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 12:14 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 01:58 AM)geef Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 05:39 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 02:56 PM)#41 Wrote:  So, this kicks off in ~2 months -- has anyone seen anything being done to Nippert? I assume that the construction has to happen fairly soon in order to get the place ready for play at the start of April.

Pretty much no news about any of this has come from UC. What little that has been divulged has come from various sources that aren't necessarily major media.

I've read that any seat removal will not happen until after this season. I'm still hoping this doesn't happen at all. Unless UC has long-term plans for soccer at Nippert, don't touch it.

As far as scoreboards, turf replacement, who knows? Obviously turf replacement has to happen soon.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but it all still smells so weird.

So, by major media you mean Fox News and NY Times. Then, yes, complete silence. As for the media where I go for Cincinnati news, I've seen four articles in the past week alone. Cincinnati Business Courier has done a handful in January, and I've heard a feature on WLW. Are you suggesting they're lacking in local coverage, because that seems extensive.

Of course I'm not referring the Fox News or the NY Times. That's a silly question, typical of the type of response one gets on this board.

I've seen the Business Courier, but I did not include them as major media because it generally has a specific audience that most don't read, like the Enquirer.

Lately, I've seen articles in the Enquirer about the schedule and signing players, but that's not the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the deal - the deal with the university. What does UC get out of it? What does UC give up? Any information about Nippert modifications appear in obscure blogs. Plus, any time something positive happens to the university, Ono tweets it, or there's some type of press release. As someone who routinely follows Ono's tweets and university press releases, there has been nothing...

Much was made about a scoreboard...it looks like we're not getting one this year. When? How much is soccer contributing? How much soccer stuff will be on this scoreboard? How long does it take to put down new turf? The soccer season is close at hand. I'm curious to see how it's going to look. How long does UC expect minor league soccer to occupy Nippert?

I have no problem with soccer at Nippert. I just don't want Nippert to be carved up and redecorated for a minor league team with undetermined benefits and a vague future.

And to someone else's point about the crappy seats that will be removed - if UC does get an invite to a P5, everyone of those crappy seats in that small stadium is precious.

I saw it in the NY Times - the article about UC spending a couple billion dollars on new buildings: In the photo gallery, it showed a picture of Nippert, with the caption that said something to the effect that 1,100 club seats were added and I think it was 58 suites. So there's room for about 37,000 butts or so, which is about right.

I get that the Lindners have been generous to the University. But a gift isn't a gift if strings are attached. I get the impression there are strings.

For the seemingly hundredth time on this board:

Stadium capacity does not matter.

The era of 100,000 seat stadiums packing people into the nosebleeds is over. It died with HDTV and television contracts that guarantee every game on TV. The trend in stadium design everywhere on the planet is reduced capacity, premium experience.

I'll repeat that: The trend for stadium design everywhere is reduced capacity, premium experience.

That means fewer physical seats, more seating that can be sold at a higher cost with more benefits than simply access to a spot on the bleachers. It's why UC's redesign of Nippert focused ENTIRELY on adding premium seating. If they do more work to Nippert, it will be to add MORE premium seating, not additional capacity.

Texas A&M demolishing and rebuilding half of Kyle Stadium and Missouri rebuilding their stadium to increase capacity kind of disprove your hypothesis...

(01-30-2016 04:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Nothing screams "Big Time College Football" like playing in a soccer stadium...

I wonder why Villanova didn't think of this.

Ohio Stadium is such a joke. Can you believe they played HIGH SCHOOL football in there .. hell they even let lacrosse in there. THE AUDACITY!

Nothing says big time college football like a multipurpose stadium.

(01-30-2016 05:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 04:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Nothing screams "Big Time College Football" like playing in a soccer stadium...

I wonder why Villanova didn't think of this.

Ohio Stadium is such a joke. Can you believe they played HIGH SCHOOL football in there .. hell they even let lacrosse in there. THE AUDACITY!

Nothing says big time college football like a multipurpose stadium.

To add to that, guess where the Crew initially played...

(01-30-2016 05:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 04:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Nothing screams "Big Time College Football" like playing in a soccer stadium...

I wonder why Villanova didn't think of this.

Ohio Stadium is such a joke. Can you believe they played HIGH SCHOOL football in there .. hell they even let lacrosse in there. THE AUDACITY!

Nothing says big time college football like a multipurpose stadium.

Yeah and they even have marching band competitions there too... [/sarcasm]

You do realize, of course, that they REMOVED the track that once circled Ohio Stadium, thereby rendering the stadium less "multi-purpose" than before. You can host may events in a football stadium. But my main point is that they took what was a multi-use stadium and made it into a single-purpose football field. We, on the other hand, are taking a single-purpose football stadium and turning it into a soccer stadium that can also host football.

I am going to hope that once the soccer club has their own stadium (which is their stated goal after all) that UC re-installs a track-and-field installation into Nippert so that we can have a world-class Track-and-Field facility to use for the Spring season. Why not?

(01-30-2016 05:24 PM)bearcats5 Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 05:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 04:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Nothing screams "Big Time College Football" like playing in a soccer stadium...

I wonder why Villanova didn't think of this.

Ohio Stadium is such a joke. Can you believe they played HIGH SCHOOL football in there .. hell they even let lacrosse in there. THE AUDACITY!

Nothing says big time college football like a multipurpose stadium.

To add to that, guess where the Crew initially played...

Yes...and I know that they made structural changes to Ohio Stadium to accommodate the Crew...oh wait...

(01-30-2016 05:27 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 05:24 PM)bearcats5 Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 05:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 04:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Nothing screams "Big Time College Football" like playing in a soccer stadium...

I wonder why Villanova didn't think of this.

Ohio Stadium is such a joke. Can you believe they played HIGH SCHOOL football in there .. hell they even let lacrosse in there. THE AUDACITY!

Nothing says big time college football like a multipurpose stadium.

To add to that, guess where the Crew initially played...

Yes...and I know that they made structural changes to Ohio Stadium to accommodate the Crew...oh wait...

Too late now. Its happening. And from henceforth everyone will consider Nippert the home of FCCincy and not the Bearcats... because 3 rows might be missing. It will be unrecognizable! What will we ever do without the lovely silver sheen off those bleachers on TV.

(01-30-2016 06:36 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 05:27 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 05:24 PM)bearcats5 Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 05:01 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 04:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Nothing screams "Big Time College Football" like playing in a soccer stadium...

I wonder why Villanova didn't think of this.

Ohio Stadium is such a joke. Can you believe they played HIGH SCHOOL football in there .. hell they even let lacrosse in there. THE AUDACITY!

Nothing says big time college football like a multipurpose stadium.

To add to that, guess where the Crew initially played...

Yes...and I know that they made structural changes to Ohio Stadium to accommodate the Crew...oh wait...

Too late now. Its happening. And from henceforth everyone will consider Nippert the home of FCCincy and not the Bearcats... because 3 rows might be missing. It will be unrecognizable! What will we ever do without the lovely silver sheen off those bleachers on TV.

Yup it's happening.

I can't believe this is still am issue. Looking forward to soccer at Nippert and incredibly confident we won't lose anything in bearcat Gameday experience

(01-30-2016 09:55 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I can't believe this is still am issue. Looking forward to soccer at Nippert and incredibly confident we won't lose anything in bearcat Gameday experience

I am with you, this has turned into one big conspiracy theory thread where the interests of big soccer are taking over the Bearcat world. Hide the kids and children, this could get ugly.

(01-30-2016 05:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 02:16 PM)#41 Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 12:14 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 01:58 AM)geef Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 05:39 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  Pretty much no news about any of this has come from UC. What little that has been divulged has come from various sources that aren't necessarily major media.

I've read that any seat removal will not happen until after this season. I'm still hoping this doesn't happen at all. Unless UC has long-term plans for soccer at Nippert, don't touch it.

As far as scoreboards, turf replacement, who knows? Obviously turf replacement has to happen soon.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but it all still smells so weird.

So, by major media you mean Fox News and NY Times. Then, yes, complete silence. As for the media where I go for Cincinnati news, I've seen four articles in the past week alone. Cincinnati Business Courier has done a handful in January, and I've heard a feature on WLW. Are you suggesting they're lacking in local coverage, because that seems extensive.

Of course I'm not referring the Fox News or the NY Times. That's a silly question, typical of the type of response one gets on this board.

I've seen the Business Courier, but I did not include them as major media because it generally has a specific audience that most don't read, like the Enquirer.

Lately, I've seen articles in the Enquirer about the schedule and signing players, but that's not the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the deal - the deal with the university. What does UC get out of it? What does UC give up? Any information about Nippert modifications appear in obscure blogs. Plus, any time something positive happens to the university, Ono tweets it, or there's some type of press release. As someone who routinely follows Ono's tweets and university press releases, there has been nothing...

Much was made about a scoreboard...it looks like we're not getting one this year. When? How much is soccer contributing? How much soccer stuff will be on this scoreboard? How long does it take to put down new turf? The soccer season is close at hand. I'm curious to see how it's going to look. How long does UC expect minor league soccer to occupy Nippert?

I have no problem with soccer at Nippert. I just don't want Nippert to be carved up and redecorated for a minor league team with undetermined benefits and a vague future.

And to someone else's point about the crappy seats that will be removed - if UC does get an invite to a P5, everyone of those crappy seats in that small stadium is precious.

I saw it in the NY Times - the article about UC spending a couple billion dollars on new buildings: In the photo gallery, it showed a picture of Nippert, with the caption that said something to the effect that 1,100 club seats were added and I think it was 58 suites. So there's room for about 37,000 butts or so, which is about right.

I get that the Lindners have been generous to the University. But a gift isn't a gift if strings are attached. I get the impression there are strings.

For the seemingly hundredth time on this board:

Stadium capacity does not matter.

The era of 100,000 seat stadiums packing people into the nosebleeds is over. It died with HDTV and television contracts that guarantee every game on TV. The trend in stadium design everywhere on the planet is reduced capacity, premium experience.

I'll repeat that: The trend for stadium design everywhere is reduced capacity, premium experience.

That means fewer physical seats, more seating that can be sold at a higher cost with more benefits than simply access to a spot on the bleachers. It's why UC's redesign of Nippert focused ENTIRELY on adding premium seating. If they do more work to Nippert, it will be to add MORE premium seating, not additional capacity.

Texas A&M demolishing and rebuilding half of Kyle Stadium and Missouri rebuilding their stadium to increase capacity kind of disprove your hypothesis...

Did you really just compare Nippert with A&M? Whatcha know, more of that hyperbole I was talking about.

(01-30-2016 10:27 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 09:55 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I can't believe this is still am issue. Looking forward to soccer at Nippert and incredibly confident we won't lose anything in bearcat Gameday experience

I am with you, this has turned into one big conspiracy theory thread where the interests of big soccer are taking over the Bearcat world. Hide the kids and children, this could get ugly.

Conspiracy theory? More of that hyperbole. The point is, soccer is two months away and you don't know.

two month away and they haven't even started removing seats, adding a new scoreboard, etc.? LOL yeah, it ain't happening folks.

Pretty sure it was announced that no seats would be removed for the first season of FC Cincinnati.

(01-30-2016 11:57 PM)subflea Wrote:  Pretty sure it was announced that no seats would be removed for the first season of FC Cincinnati.

Good, we still have a shot at conference realignment then. /s

A new scoreboard was talked about for sometime in the future and not this season as well, so nothing shocking about that either.

(01-30-2016 10:50 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 10:27 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 09:55 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I can't believe this is still am issue. Looking forward to soccer at Nippert and incredibly confident we won't lose anything in bearcat Gameday experience

I am with you, this has turned into one big conspiracy theory thread where the interests of big soccer are taking over the Bearcat world. Hide the kids and children, this could get ugly.

Conspiracy theory? More of that hyperbole. The point is, soccer is two months away and you don't know.

Yep, I do not know, neither do you, I am supremely confident in the leaders at UC that they would do nothing to either hurt the brand, or the stadium, or anything else related to the Cats. Sorry you feel that something bad is happening without any proof. I don't.

(01-30-2016 10:47 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 05:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 02:16 PM)#41 Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 12:14 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 01:58 AM)geef Wrote:  So, by major media you mean Fox News and NY Times. Then, yes, complete silence. As for the media where I go for Cincinnati news, I've seen four articles in the past week alone. Cincinnati Business Courier has done a handful in January, and I've heard a feature on WLW. Are you suggesting they're lacking in local coverage, because that seems extensive.

Of course I'm not referring the Fox News or the NY Times. That's a silly question, typical of the type of response one gets on this board.

I've seen the Business Courier, but I did not include them as major media because it generally has a specific audience that most don't read, like the Enquirer.

Lately, I've seen articles in the Enquirer about the schedule and signing players, but that's not the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the deal - the deal with the university. What does UC get out of it? What does UC give up? Any information about Nippert modifications appear in obscure blogs. Plus, any time something positive happens to the university, Ono tweets it, or there's some type of press release. As someone who routinely follows Ono's tweets and university press releases, there has been nothing...

Much was made about a scoreboard...it looks like we're not getting one this year. When? How much is soccer contributing? How much soccer stuff will be on this scoreboard? How long does it take to put down new turf? The soccer season is close at hand. I'm curious to see how it's going to look. How long does UC expect minor league soccer to occupy Nippert?

I have no problem with soccer at Nippert. I just don't want Nippert to be carved up and redecorated for a minor league team with undetermined benefits and a vague future.

And to someone else's point about the crappy seats that will be removed - if UC does get an invite to a P5, everyone of those crappy seats in that small stadium is precious.

I saw it in the NY Times - the article about UC spending a couple billion dollars on new buildings: In the photo gallery, it showed a picture of Nippert, with the caption that said something to the effect that 1,100 club seats were added and I think it was 58 suites. So there's room for about 37,000 butts or so, which is about right.

I get that the Lindners have been generous to the University. But a gift isn't a gift if strings are attached. I get the impression there are strings.

For the seemingly hundredth time on this board:

Stadium capacity does not matter.

The era of 100,000 seat stadiums packing people into the nosebleeds is over. It died with HDTV and television contracts that guarantee every game on TV. The trend in stadium design everywhere on the planet is reduced capacity, premium experience.

I'll repeat that: The trend for stadium design everywhere is reduced capacity, premium experience.

That means fewer physical seats, more seating that can be sold at a higher cost with more benefits than simply access to a spot on the bleachers. It's why UC's redesign of Nippert focused ENTIRELY on adding premium seating. If they do more work to Nippert, it will be to add MORE premium seating, not additional capacity.

Texas A&M demolishing and rebuilding half of Kyle Stadium and Missouri rebuilding their stadium to increase capacity kind of disprove your hypothesis...

Did you really just compare Nippert with A&M? Whatcha know, more of that hyperbole I was talking about.

No... I did NOT just compare Nippert with A&M. If you actually looked at the argument, the statement was made that "The era of 100,000 seat stadiums packing people into the nosebleeds is over. It died with HDTV and television contracts that guarantee every game on TV. The trend in stadium design everywhere on the planet is reduced capacity, premium experience." I just cited two stadiums that disprove this statement. I could also cite the fact that Duke is revamping Wallace Wade Stadium to bring up capacity from 30k to 50k and that Kansas is also raising money to revamp Memorial Stadium to increase capacity. (Both, by the way, will be removing their running tracks, thereby also reducing the "multi-use" functionality of their stadiums...but I digress.)

But this argument is not about facts anymore but about pure irrationality. Instead of engaging on the actual facts, it's now about demagoguery. And, just for the record, NO I don't think it's a "conspiracy" nor that "soccer is taking over." But I do think it's a really bad idea to modify Nippert in this fashion. If that makes me a horrible person, so be it.

(01-30-2016 11:57 PM)subflea Wrote:  Pretty sure it was announced that no seats would be removed for the first season of FC Cincinnati.

Ever here of the camels nose into the tent?

Oh we got trouble right here in Cincy and it starts with an S and that is used to spell Soccer.

(01-30-2016 11:57 PM)subflea Wrote:  Pretty sure it was announced that no seats would be removed for the first season of FC Cincinnati.

So if they can already fit a soccer field in the current configuration why tear up the stadium in the first place? I seem to recall that if this team succeeds, the bylaws of their league required them to eventually have their own stadium anyway. Why potentially ruin the character of Nippert for a short term tenant?