The rumor mill is filled with speculation the B12 may ask UConn to join. Should the Big10 or ACC act now to prevent the B12 from getting UConn and -- by so doing -- getting an entrance into the metro NYC TV market?

What does the ACC gain in adding UConn? Unless ND goes all in, no.

both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

(01-20-2016 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

no, B1G is waiting for the ACC to implode. then will take two from either NC, Virginia, GA Tech, Duke.

Unless Texas and ND want to join first. I don' really think Oklahoma has a chance at B1G. Academically they just aren't there.

If the BIG wanted UCONN they would have already been taken. If anything, the BIG has shown that it is patient and a long term strategic thinker. They aren't going to jump the gun for UCONN. They will wait out the grant of rights and cherry pick (along with the SEC) whoever they want.

LOL of course the big 12 guy says to do it....because he doesn't want those schools in the big 12. Sorry, but yet another bluff play by certain elements of the big 12 will yet again be called and laughed at. It's like watching a dying animal in it's last death throes trying to not let go of life despite the inevitability of such.

The B1G and ACC have had several years to pounce on UConn and neither have made a move for respective reasons. UConn needs the B1G and ACC more than the B1G/ACC need UConn. If they really want one of B1G/ACC over the Big 12 (longterm), UConn just needs to stay the course, keep pumping money into academics and football, and maximize their candidacy with both conferences.

IMO, the Big 12 will not flinch and start adding teams out of fear for the conference long term. That only leaves UConn to stay put and continue building towards an entrance into the P5.

(01-20-2016 05:25 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  The rumor mill is filled with speculation the B12 may ask UConn to join. Should the Big10 or ACC act now to prevent the B12 from getting UConn and -- by so doing -- getting an entrance into the metro NYC TV market?

No.

Next question.

(01-20-2016 05:44 PM)penguino Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

no, B1G is waiting for the ACC to implode. then will take two from either NC, Virginia, GA Tech, Duke.

Unless Texas and ND want to join first. I don' really think Oklahoma has a chance at B1G. Academically they just aren't there.

If the BIG wanted UCONN they would have already been taken. If anything, the BIG has shown that it is patient and a long term strategic thinker. They aren't going to jump the gun for UCONN. They will wait out the grant of rights and cherry pick (along with the SEC) whoever they want.

LOL! You people are crazy. The ACC isn't about to implode and nobody is taking Connecticut. You guys get mad at Miko but the stuff he says in jest is less crazy than a lot of the things you guys say in all seriousness.

(01-20-2016 05:44 PM)penguino Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

no, B1G is waiting for the ACC to implode. then will take two from either NC, Virginia, GA Tech, Duke.

Unless Texas and ND want to join first. I don' really think Oklahoma has a chance at B1G. Academically they just aren't there.

If the BIG wanted UCONN they would have already been taken. If anything, the BIG has shown that it is patient and a long term strategic thinker. They aren't going to jump the gun for UCONN. They will wait out the grant of rights and cherry pick (along with the SEC) whoever they want.

The B1G is going to be waiting a looooooong time.

No

The thing about taking a school in fear that another conference will do so is that you still have to want that school, and the Big Ten does not seem likely to want UConn. Nothing as tenuous as "but the Big12 will get them!" is going to overcome the hurdle of academic snobbery.

(01-20-2016 05:44 PM)penguino Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

no, B1G is waiting for the ACC to implode. then will take two from either NC, Virginia, GA Tech, Duke.

Unless Texas and ND want to join first. I don' really think Oklahoma has a chance at B1G. Academically they just aren't there.

If the BIG wanted UCONN they would have already been taken. If anything, the BIG has shown that it is patient and a long term strategic thinker. They aren't going to jump the gun for UCONN. They will wait out the grant of rights and cherry pick (along with the SEC) whoever they want.

Penguino: If JrSec's idea of content of brands takes shape...Rutgers could be dropped in a NY minute from the B1G. Rutgers isn't a big brand in any sport. Delaney will be retired in 5-7 years...priorities could shift as TV/content pipelines change.

BTW, I don't believe in Jr's Machiavellian SEC World View though...as colleges are more socialist than capitalist. He has some good points...but moving teams is hard to do...If it is easy...they will join together and form an NFL type model of $$$ distribution.

(01-20-2016 07:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:44 PM)penguino Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

no, B1G is waiting for the ACC to implode. then will take two from either NC, Virginia, GA Tech, Duke.

Unless Texas and ND want to join first. I don' really think Oklahoma has a chance at B1G. Academically they just aren't there.

If the BIG wanted UCONN they would have already been taken. If anything, the BIG has shown that it is patient and a long term strategic thinker. They aren't going to jump the gun for UCONN. They will wait out the grant of rights and cherry pick (along with the SEC) whoever they want.

Penguino: If JrSec's idea of content of brands takes shape...Rutgers could be dropped in a NY minute from the B1G. Rutgers isn't a big brand in any sport. Delaney will be retired in 5-7 years...priorities could shift as TV/content pipelines change.

BTW, I don't believe in Jr's Machiavellian SEC World View though...as colleges are more socialist than capitalist. He has some good points...but moving teams is hard to do...If it is easy...they will join together and form an NFL type model of $$$ distribution.

IMHO, JR is predicting the past, the present, and the future. TV markets never mattered. The two things that matter are fans' willingness to watch teams, and their willingness to pay for access to those teams. That has always been the case, and it will continue being the case.

RU and UMD were added for PSU, so unless PSU leaves the B1G, decides that they don't want easy wins in front of alums and recruits, and/or becomes less important in the conference, then neither RU nor UMD will ever get dropped.

And an NFL type model will take a LONG time because there are many, many vested interests, but FWIW, I do think that all massive conferences will break apart in the future, albeit not the immediate future.

(01-20-2016 07:47 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 07:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:44 PM)penguino Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

no, B1G is waiting for the ACC to implode. then will take two from either NC, Virginia, GA Tech, Duke.

Unless Texas and ND want to join first. I don' really think Oklahoma has a chance at B1G. Academically they just aren't there.

If the BIG wanted UCONN they would have already been taken. If anything, the BIG has shown that it is patient and a long term strategic thinker. They aren't going to jump the gun for UCONN. They will wait out the grant of rights and cherry pick (along with the SEC) whoever they want.

Penguino: If JrSec's idea of content of brands takes shape...Rutgers could be dropped in a NY minute from the B1G. Rutgers isn't a big brand in any sport. Delaney will be retired in 5-7 years...priorities could shift as TV/content pipelines change.

BTW, I don't believe in Jr's Machiavellian SEC World View though...as colleges are more socialist than capitalist. He has some good points...but moving teams is hard to do...If it is easy...they will join together and form an NFL type model of $$$ distribution.

IMHO, JR is predicting the past, the present, and the future. TV markets never mattered. The two things that matter are fans' willingness to watch teams, and their willingness to pay for access to those teams. That has always been the case, and it will continue being the case.

RU and UMD were added for PSU, so unless PSU leaves the B1G, decides that they don't want easy wins in front of alums and recruits, and/or becomes less important in the conference, then neither RU nor UMD will ever get dropped.

And an NFL type model will take a LONG time because there are many, many vested interests, but FWIW, I do think that all massive conferences will break apart in the future, albeit not the immediate future.

Good points...I just don't see a super league of the top 16-24 brands forming.

(01-20-2016 05:25 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  The rumor mill is filled with speculation the B12 may ask UConn to join. Should the Big10 or ACC act now to prevent the B12 from getting UConn and -- by so doing -- getting an entrance into the metro NYC TV market?

No, probably not. Cheers!

(01-20-2016 07:58 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 07:47 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 07:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:44 PM)penguino Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  both should along with UH

UConn to the Big 10 in football only and Olympic sports in the ACC and UH to the ACC in football only and Olympic sports to the Big 10

DO IT!

no, B1G is waiting for the ACC to implode. then will take two from either NC, Virginia, GA Tech, Duke.

Unless Texas and ND want to join first. I don' really think Oklahoma has a chance at B1G. Academically they just aren't there.

If the BIG wanted UCONN they would have already been taken. If anything, the BIG has shown that it is patient and a long term strategic thinker. They aren't going to jump the gun for UCONN. They will wait out the grant of rights and cherry pick (along with the SEC) whoever they want.

Penguino: If JrSec's idea of content of brands takes shape...Rutgers could be dropped in a NY minute from the B1G. Rutgers isn't a big brand in any sport. Delaney will be retired in 5-7 years...priorities could shift as TV/content pipelines change.

BTW, I don't believe in Jr's Machiavellian SEC World View though...as colleges are more socialist than capitalist. He has some good points...but moving teams is hard to do...If it is easy...they will join together and form an NFL type model of $$$ distribution.

IMHO, JR is predicting the past, the present, and the future. TV markets never mattered. The two things that matter are fans' willingness to watch teams, and their willingness to pay for access to those teams. That has always been the case, and it will continue being the case.

RU and UMD were added for PSU, so unless PSU leaves the B1G, decides that they don't want easy wins in front of alums and recruits, and/or becomes less important in the conference, then neither RU nor UMD will ever get dropped.

And an NFL type model will take a LONG time because there are many, many vested interests, but FWIW, I do think that all massive conferences will break apart in the future, albeit not the immediate future.

Good points...I just don't see a super league of the top 16-24 brands forming.

It won't. IMHO, that's part of why I think that the B1G will have to rethink itself soon. PSU won't tolerate finishing 4th in its division ever year with a guaranteed 3 losses. When PSU is staring down the barrel of continued 7-6 seasons (3 losses to OSU, MSU, and Michigan, a WTF loss, and a crossover/bowl/OOC loss) things will get old quick. Since the Nittany Lions have very real and very legitimate options (i.e. jumping to the ACC), the B1G will have to meet their demands. My guess is that divisions will be reshuffled. PSU's MASSIVE football infrastructure will quickly shift from being an asset to a liability if they keep losing. They literally can't afford to take risks.

When we move to divisions of four, it will be much better for everyone as there will be more berths into a conference tournament.

Nobody is getting the NYC tv market by adding UConn.

(01-20-2016 08:19 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

Nobody is getting the NYC tv market by adding UConn.

If that's the graphic that I think it is, it's old. The numbers are probably lower now that UConn doesn't have Edsall at the helm.

(01-20-2016 08:24 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 08:19 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

Nobody is getting the NYC tv market by adding UConn.

If that's the graphic that I think it is, it's old. The numbers are probably lower now that UConn doesn't have Edsall at the helm.

It is roughly 2012, but it still paints the same picture. UConn won't be brought into a conference 2000 miles away when it struggles with TV as badly as it does right now.