(01-20-2016 12:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:40 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I see no reason the Big West wouldn't take both UCSD and CSU-B. More schools for the bus league.

And that's quite an athletics fee! Be curious to know what UCSB students pay.

CSU-B was snubbed many times by the Big West and still hasn't been invited by the Big West to round out to 10 members. However, CSU-B is liking the WAC and they are separating themselves from the other Big West schools and getting more exposure by playing around the Western US.

Right, just like Sac State has flourished in the Big Sky and "separated" itself.

Every CSU & UC school in DI that doesn't play FBS football should be in the Big West as a full member. It's ridiculous not to.

Yes, Sac St has 'separated' itself from the band of Big West schools in the LA area. They have more exposure in the Big Sky than they would in the Big West. People around the western US know about Sac. St where not many people know the schools in the Big West unless you live in the LA Basin and follow them or from Hawaii.

(01-20-2016 01:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:40 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I see no reason the Big West wouldn't take both UCSD and CSU-B. More schools for the bus league.

And that's quite an athletics fee! Be curious to know what UCSB students pay.

CSU-B was snubbed many times by the Big West and still hasn't been invited by the Big West to round out to 10 members. However, CSU-B is liking the WAC and they are separating themselves from the other Big West schools and getting more exposure by playing around the Western US.

Right, just like Sac State has flourished in the Big Sky and "separated" itself.

Every CSU & UC school in DI that doesn't play FBS football should be in the Big West as a full member. It's ridiculous not to.

Yes, Sac St has 'separated' itself from the band of Big West schools in the LA area. They have more exposure in the Big Sky than they would in the Big West. People around the western US know about Sac. St where not many people know the schools in the Big West unless you live in the LA Basin and follow them or from Hawaii.

More fans in the LA Basin than the Fargo/Seattle corridor

(01-20-2016 11:59 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news...ne-change/

If the students approved, they could be on their way to D1. But where will they go? Big West may have to find another school to make it even out. WAC could give them an invite to help Bakersfield State out, and could move to Big West later. This school also considered re-starting their defunct football program as well.

How do you even follow this stuff? I'm continually impressed with your knowledge of obscure schools.

I help Charles out at Helmets of the Future site looking for news for colleges and universities by Googling it. I come up and found stuff like this.
I have been asked to help find links to schools for the Reddit Football area when they talk about adding football and all that.

(01-20-2016 12:51 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Seattle has baseball. And their men's soccer team advanced to the Sweet 16 this past year.

OK, so how about the rest of my post?

Don't see how the cost of sending a bunch of California teams flying up to Seattle is justified for -- forgive me -- small time college athletics.

(01-20-2016 01:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:40 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I see no reason the Big West wouldn't take both UCSD and CSU-B. More schools for the bus league.

And that's quite an athletics fee! Be curious to know what UCSB students pay.

CSU-B was snubbed many times by the Big West and still hasn't been invited by the Big West to round out to 10 members. However, CSU-B is liking the WAC and they are separating themselves from the other Big West schools and getting more exposure by playing around the Western US.

Right, just like Sac State has flourished in the Big Sky and "separated" itself.

Every CSU & UC school in DI that doesn't play FBS football should be in the Big West as a full member. It's ridiculous not to.

Yes, Sac St has 'separated' itself from the band of Big West schools in the LA area. They have more exposure in the Big Sky than they would in the Big West. People around the western US know about Sac. St where not many people know the schools in the Big West unless you live in the LA Basin and follow them or from Hawaii.

Well, frankly, I just plain don't believe it.

At best, Sac St should have the same deal as Davis and Poly.

(01-20-2016 01:46 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 01:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:40 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I see no reason the Big West wouldn't take both UCSD and CSU-B. More schools for the bus league.

And that's quite an athletics fee! Be curious to know what UCSB students pay.

CSU-B was snubbed many times by the Big West and still hasn't been invited by the Big West to round out to 10 members. However, CSU-B is liking the WAC and they are separating themselves from the other Big West schools and getting more exposure by playing around the Western US.

Right, just like Sac State has flourished in the Big Sky and "separated" itself.

Every CSU & UC school in DI that doesn't play FBS football should be in the Big West as a full member. It's ridiculous not to.

Yes, Sac St has 'separated' itself from the band of Big West schools in the LA area. They have more exposure in the Big Sky than they would in the Big West. People around the western US know about Sac. St where not many people know the schools in the Big West unless you live in the LA Basin and follow them or from Hawaii.

Well, frankly, I just plain don't believe it.

At best, Sac St should have the same deal as Davis and Poly.

Why? They don't want it, and they agreed not to do it, anyways. Part of the deal to allow Davis and Poly as football affiliates.

(01-20-2016 11:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  There is no such thing as Cal San Diego. It's UC-xxx. -2

So what? Many people say the school names differently, but they are the same schools. I rather use Fullerton State, Fresno State, Long Beach and so forth because it is much easier to say than saying them as Cal. State whatever.

I really don't know why it's so hard to call schools by the names they call themselves.

UC System:

UC Berkeley, California, Cal or Berkeley
UCLA
UC San Diego or UCSD
UC Davis or Davis
UC Santa Barbara or UCSB
UC Santa Cruz, UCSC or Santa Cruz
UC Irvine, UCI or Irvine
UC Riverside or UCR

Simple rule of thumb for these guys: just call them UC [City Name] and the only one that might give you pushback is Los Angeles, which prefers to go by just UCLA.

It would be especially helpful to stop using "Cal-[City]" for any school, particularly because the California State University System has many schools that go by Cal State [City] or Cal Poly [City.] You may think you have a simplified system, but you are making things more confusing because your system doesn't always make it clear when a school is a UC and when it is a CSU.

Your worst repeated offense is to list Cal Poly (also known as Cal Poly SLO or Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) among the UC schools, and with a hyphen separating Cal from Poly. There is no UC campus in a city called Poly. Cal Poly is part of the CSU system.

And while some CSUs do like going by [City] State, not all do.

UCDavis and Cal Poly will leave the Big West for Big Sky and FBS football, so the Big West has to back fill with UCSD and CSUBakersfield. Been saying that for more than a year.

UCSD has been DII for more than 10 years.

(01-20-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UCDavis and Cal Poly will leave the Big West for Big Sky and FBS football, so the Big West has to back fill with UCSD and CSUBakersfield. Been saying that for more than a year.

UCSD has been DII for more than 10 years.

No it doesn't. It can also backfill with Grand Canyon, Seattle and Utah Valley.

(01-20-2016 03:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UCDavis and Cal Poly will leave the Big West for Big Sky and FBS football, so the Big West has to back fill with UCSD and CSUBakersfield. Been saying that for more than a year.

UCSD has been DII for more than 10 years.

No it doesn't. It can also backfill with Grand Canyon, Seattle and Utah Valley.

jdguacho, you need to get on the horn with the Big West leadership to make the Big West 'Big' Again. It would nice for them to merge with most of the WAC (drop Chicago St, UMKC and UTRGV). Have them drop the travel subs. Otherwise, the Big West may find itself regressing and the WAC moving forward when then become a FCS conference with the split of the Big sky schools.

(01-20-2016 01:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:51 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Seattle has baseball. And their men's soccer team advanced to the Sweet 16 this past year.

OK, so how about the rest of my post?

Don't see how the cost of sending a bunch of California teams flying up to Seattle is justified for -- forgive me -- small time college athletics.

It's mutually beneficial. Seattle will save money in travel expenses with flights limited to Phoenix, all of California and Honolulu vs going to Chicago, Orem, Kansas City, Las Cruces and Edinburg. The BW benefits from getting exposure in a large west coast market.

Same goes for Grand Canyon. And for anyone who says academics are a problem, that didn't stop Boise State from joining in the 90s or 2012. Grand Canyon has money AND can still be reached by bus if so desired. They fit better than you'd expect. Phoenix is worth getting into.

(01-20-2016 03:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UCDavis and Cal Poly will leave the Big West for Big Sky and FBS football, so the Big West has to back fill with UCSD and CSUBakersfield. Been saying that for more than a year.

UCSD has been DII for more than 10 years.

No it doesn't. It can also backfill with Grand Canyon, Seattle and Utah Valley.

Utah Valley and Grand Canyon would never get an invite from the UC snobs. Seattle or Denver can, if they pay big for travel.

(01-20-2016 03:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UCDavis and Cal Poly will leave the Big West for Big Sky and FBS football, so the Big West has to back fill with UCSD and CSUBakersfield. Been saying that for more than a year.

UCSD has been DII for more than 10 years.

No it doesn't. It can also backfill with Grand Canyon, Seattle and Utah Valley.

Utah Valley and Grand Canyon would never get an invite from the UC snobs. Seattle or Denver can, if they pay big for travel.

I just listed UVU for effect. Utah State was a long-time member so it ain't like the conference has never ventured east of Tahoe. It has.

Boise is no academic powerhouse and they were invited. GCU can bribe their way in as well.

Agree with you on Denver. If the BW had not insisted they add a couple sports they'd be in right now.

(01-20-2016 12:39 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Mongoose, it's time for the BW to expand.

UCSD, Portland State, Seattle.

or UCSD, Grand Canyon, Seattle.

Increase regional exposure in San Diego, Phoenix and Seattle.

WCC has Grand Canyon and Seattle or Denver on its expansion radar.

(01-20-2016 04:02 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UCDavis and Cal Poly will leave the Big West for Big Sky and FBS football, so the Big West has to back fill with UCSD and CSUBakersfield. Been saying that for more than a year.

UCSD has been DII for more than 10 years.

No it doesn't. It can also backfill with Grand Canyon, Seattle and Utah Valley.

Utah Valley and Grand Canyon would never get an invite from the UC snobs. Seattle or Denver can, if they pay big for travel.

I just listed UVU for effect. Utah State was a long-time member so it ain't like the conference has never ventured east of Tahoe. It has.

Boise is no academic powerhouse and they were invited. GCU can bribe their way in as well.

Agree with you on Denver. If the BW had not insisted they add a couple sports they'd be in right now.

There is a huge gulf between Utah St and Utah Valley (BYU Jr College and a place to stash girlfriends).

(01-20-2016 02:30 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  There is no such thing as Cal San Diego. It's UC-xxx. -2

So what? Many people say the school names differently, but they are the same schools. I rather use Fullerton State, Fresno State, Long Beach and so forth because it is much easier to say than saying them as Cal. State whatever.

I really don't know why it's so hard to call schools by the names they call themselves.

UC System:

UC Berkeley, California, Cal or Berkeley
UCLA
UC San Diego or UCSD
UC Davis or Davis
UC Santa Barbara or UCSB
UC Santa Cruz, UCSC or Santa Cruz
UC Irvine, UCI or Irvine
UC Riverside or UCR

Simple rule of thumb for these guys: just call them UC [City Name] and the only one that might give you pushback is Los Angeles, which prefers to go by just UCLA.

It would be especially helpful to stop using "Cal-[City]" for any school, particularly because the California State University System has many schools that go by Cal State [City] or Cal Poly [City.] You may think you have a simplified system, but you are making things more confusing because your system doesn't always make it clear when a school is a UC and when it is a CSU.

Your worst repeated offense is to list Cal Poly (also known as Cal Poly SLO or Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) among the UC schools, and with a hyphen separating Cal from Poly. There is no UC campus in a city called Poly. Cal Poly is part of the CSU system.

And while some CSUs do like going by [City] State, not all do.

When tv reporters and others when they call Cal-Davis.They do not put the U in front of it.
Cal Poly became short recently.

Cal-San Diego, Cal Poly-Pomona and Cal. State- L.A. used to be D1 for all sports before all the splitting. I could see all 3 move up in the future to join the Big West. East Bay State might join them as well, and they have plans for football, but no fundraising yet. Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific could move up and help restart FCS football. Long Beach State might move on to try and get an invite to the MWC if they re-start football.

(01-20-2016 03:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UCDavis and Cal Poly will leave the Big West for Big Sky and FBS football, so the Big West has to back fill with UCSD and CSUBakersfield. Been saying that for more than a year.

UCSD has been DII for more than 10 years.

No it doesn't. It can also backfill with Grand Canyon, Seattle and Utah Valley.

Great idea! Fail exactly the same way that the Big Sky failed.

(01-20-2016 04:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 02:30 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 11:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  There is no such thing as Cal San Diego. It's UC-xxx. -2

So what? Many people say the school names differently, but they are the same schools. I rather use Fullerton State, Fresno State, Long Beach and so forth because it is much easier to say than saying them as Cal. State whatever.

I really don't know why it's so hard to call schools by the names they call themselves.

UC System:

UC Berkeley, California, Cal or Berkeley
UCLA
UC San Diego or UCSD
UC Davis or Davis
UC Santa Barbara or UCSB
UC Santa Cruz, UCSC or Santa Cruz
UC Irvine, UCI or Irvine
UC Riverside or UCR

Simple rule of thumb for these guys: just call them UC [City Name] and the only one that might give you pushback is Los Angeles, which prefers to go by just UCLA.

It would be especially helpful to stop using "Cal-[City]" for any school, particularly because the California State University System has many schools that go by Cal State [City] or Cal Poly [City.] You may think you have a simplified system, but you are making things more confusing because your system doesn't always make it clear when a school is a UC and when it is a CSU.

Your worst repeated offense is to list Cal Poly (also known as Cal Poly SLO or Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) among the UC schools, and with a hyphen separating Cal from Poly. There is no UC campus in a city called Poly. Cal Poly is part of the CSU system.

And while some CSUs do like going by [City] State, not all do.

When tv reporters and others when they call Cal-Davis.They do not put the U in front of it.
Cal Poly became short recently.

Cal-San Diego, Cal Poly-Pomona and Cal. State- L.A. used to be D1 for all sports before all the splitting. I could see all 3 move up in the future to join the Big West. East Bay State might join them as well, and they have plans for football, but no fundraising yet. Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific could move up and help restart FCS football. Long Beach State might move on to try and get an invite to the MWC if they re-start football.

TV personalities call USC "Southern Cal" but that doesn't mean the school likes it. In fact, they specifically request not to be called that. And even if there are some holdouts from the days of the "Cal Aggies" that does not mean that we should use the Cal name for all UC campuses even if doing so has never been common.

I really think it's best to just stick to UC [City Name] for the UCs. And for the CSUs, here, I'll do your research for you on all the campuses.

The ones that put the city name in front, either formally or even just informally:
Fresno State
San José State
San Diego State
Sacramento State
Chico State
San Francisco State
Humboldt State
Stanislaus State
Sonoma State

The ones that put the city name after the state name, if at all.
Cal Poly
Cal Poly Pomona
CSU Maritime Academy
Cal State LA
Cal State Fullerton
Cal State East Bay
Cal State Northridge
Cal State Dominguez Hills
Cal State San Bernardino
Cal State Bakersfield
Cal State San Marcos
Cal State Monterey Bay
Cal State Channel Islands

The one that swings both ways
Cal State Long Beach, Long Beach State or just The Beach

(01-20-2016 04:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  When tv reporters and others when they call Cal-Davis.They do not put the U in front of it.
Cal Poly became short recently.

Cal-San Diego, Cal Poly-Pomona and Cal. State- L.A. used to be D1 for all sports before all the splitting. I could see all 3 move up in the future to join the Big West. East Bay State might join them as well, and they have plans for football, but no fundraising yet. Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific could move up and help restart FCS football. Long Beach State might move on to try and get an invite to the MWC if they re-start football.

Um, yes they do. They call them UC Davis, UC Berkeley or just Davis or Berkeley. Nobody calls the UC schools Cal Berkeley or Cal Davis, etc...

As for the OP, there's very little chance this passes. There's just no will for it on campus and they don't have the kind of President that will just pass it anyway.

(01-20-2016 04:03 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:39 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Mongoose, it's time for the BW to expand.

UCSD, Portland State, Seattle.

or UCSD, Grand Canyon, Seattle.

Increase regional exposure in San Diego, Phoenix and Seattle.

WCC has Grand Canyon and Seattle or Denver on its expansion radar.

Is Gonzaga blocking/opposed to Seattle? I think I remember reading that.