M prediction , P4 goes after Texas, OK, OSU, K-State, Baylor, TT & TCU to create two 7-8 team divisions. Very few cross-over games.. The winner of each division plays for the conference championship. Basically turning the system into a defacto 8 team playoff using CCGs. Coffer money now goes to even less teams as the P4 divy up the B12 share.

Pac 12 - OSU & TT
SEC - KSU and OK
B10 - TX and Baylor/TCU
ACC - Baylor/TCU and ND (Offered full membership, if turned down then WVU gets the spot otherwise WVU left out in the cold with ISU & Kansas.

Only question is, does ND stay independent since this could narrow the chance for a National Championship?

WVU (If not taken by the ACC), ISU and Kansas demoted to G5 football.

What is you SWAG at the next rumor?

my hunch now that the conferences gave the Big 12 a big win over the ACC is maybe the ACC isn't so hot after all. I could easily see the SEC and Big Ten think that the ACC is where the real $$$$ is at with expansion.

(01-13-2016 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  my hunch now that the conferences gave the Big 12 a big win over the ACC is maybe the ACC isn't so hot after all. I could easily see the SEC and Big Ten think that the ACC is where the real $$$$ is at with expansion.

The B12 has the most valuable assets, but the ACC has a much higher number of valuable assets.

(01-13-2016 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I could easily see the SEC and Big Ten think that the ACC is where the real $$$$ is at with expansion.

Aside from UT, OU, and KU, it's where all the potential $ is. But the limitation is that current members will start to say no before the conference size gets much bigger than 16, some might even say no to 16. No matter which conference it is, as soon as they start operating with 18 or 20 schools, someone's going to start thinking that a league with 9 or 10 would be a better idea. And the schools that might end up "on the wrong side" of any such split would be wise to think about voting no before the conference gets too large.

(01-13-2016 05:22 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  M prediction , P4 goes after Texas, OK, OSU, K-State, Baylor, TT & TCU to create two 7-8 team divisions. Very few cross-over games.. The winner of each division plays for the conference championship. Basically turning the system into a defacto 8 team playoff using CCGs. Coffer money now goes to even less teams as the P4 divy up the B12 share.

Pac 12 - OSU & TT
SEC - KSU and OK
B10 - TX and Baylor/TCU
ACC - Baylor/TCU and ND (Offered full membership, if turned down then WVU gets the spot otherwise WVU left out in the cold with ISU & Kansas.

Only question is, does ND stay independent since this could narrow the chance for a National Championship?

WVU (If not taken by the ACC), ISU and Kansas demoted to G5 football.

What is you SWAG at the next rumor?

Kansas is more valuable/attractive than KSU

(01-13-2016 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  my hunch now that the conferences gave the Big 12 a big win over the ACC is maybe the ACC isn't so hot after all. I could easily see the SEC and Big Ten think that the ACC is where the real $$$$ is at with expansion.

You beat me to it! My prediction was that Stever would say ACC doomed.

(01-13-2016 05:22 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  M prediction , P4 goes after Texas, OK, OSU, K-State, Baylor, TT & TCU to create two 7-8 team divisions. Very few cross-over games.. The winner of each division plays for the conference championship. Basically turning the system into a defacto 8 team playoff using CCGs. Coffer money now goes to even less teams as the P4 divy up the B12 share.

Pac 12 - OSU & TT
SEC - KSU and OK
B10 - TX and Baylor/TCU
ACC - Baylor/TCU and ND (Offered full membership, if turned down then WVU gets the spot otherwise WVU left out in the cold with ISU & Kansas.

Only question is, does ND stay independent since this could narrow the chance for a National Championship?

WVU (If not taken by the ACC), ISU and Kansas demoted to G5 football.

What is you SWAG at the next rumor?

none of those conferences want any of those particular teams and most of those particular teams would only take those arrangements if that was there only choice

there are a few stupid Texas Tech fans that would like to go to the Pac 12 because they think it would stick it to Texas, but the PAC 12 is not remotely interested in them and Texas Tech would quickly die out there and fade away


OkState fans are not stupid and would never make that move even if they could especially for less money

the SEC has never wanted KU and OU has stated publicly the SEC is not a preferred choice for them and as of now OU makes the same or slightly better money in the Big 12 and will do even better with CCG money


not a chance the Big 10 takes TCU or Baylor

not a chance the ACC takes just one school from the big 12 (if they could and there are no indications they could unless it was a last resort for the Big 12 team)

(01-13-2016 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  my hunch now that the conferences gave the Big 12 a big win over the ACC is maybe the ACC isn't so hot after all. I could easily see the SEC and Big Ten think that the ACC is where the real $$$$ is at with expansion.

the teams in the ACC are always who the Big 10 has wanted if the Big 10 wanted KU or MU or anyone else from the Big 12 they would have taken them or tried to take them when they were available without a lawsuit

the Big 10 has specific teams in mind that they want and outside of Texas none are from the Big 12 including OU the Big 10 has never been receptive to OU

the SEC would gladly take a couple of ACC teams as well before they would really take any Big 12 team besides Texas and Texas has never wanted to go to the SEC

OU has stated they really do not want to go to the SEC either

currently 100% of the Big 12 teams do much better financially in the Big 12 than ACC teams do in the ACC and currently the two most desirable teams in the Big 12 which is Texas and OU do as well (OU) or better (Texas) financially in the Big 12 than they would in the SEC and that is only set to get better and currently Texas does better than the Big 10 teams and will remain competitive even if the Big 10 contracts are close to what they are "expected" to be

so there is nothing really pulling either team from the Big 12.....I am not sure where anyone got the idea that OU was demanding a conference network (that seems to have come from davidst's wild imaginations and hallucinations and was picked up on a nonsense tweet by UH fans, but it is not true.....and OU is not going to leave the Big 12 because they do not expand especially to do worse financially in some other conference

and again there is no guarantee the SEC wants OU and the Big 10 has never really wanted them especially without Texas....so they have limited places to go if they did want to leave

the PAC 12 would probably take them if they could because they might think it would force Texas to act, but the PAC 12 should realize by now that UT is not all that excited by the PAC 12 especially with their crappy network and Texas is not going to be backed into doing anything especially going to the PAC 12

so as of right now the only things to watch are what happens with the big 10 TV deals and if the big 10 goes after the ACC teams they want or if the ACC has teams that decide they want to do something different and it breaks up

The Big 12 is obviously a more powerful conference than the ACC, everything about the CFP demonstrates it. This is just more evidence of that.

I predict nothing changes

Big 12 now officially on borrowed time.

It continues to be the New Big East right up to when the 3 good properties all flee and the undesirable leftovers get chunked into the midmajors.

And just like the BE, it could have been avoided if not for egos and terrible leadership.

(01-13-2016 05:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Big 12 now officially on borrowed time.

It continues to be the New Big East right up to when the 3 good properties all flee and the undesirable leftovers get chunked into the midmajors.

And just like the BE, it could have been avoided if not for egos and terrible leadership.

yea A&M should really take charge of the SEC SEC SEC and demand they add UH, USF, UCF, Cincy, ECU and UConn to really "stick it to the Big 12"

(01-13-2016 05:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Big 12 is obviously a more powerful conference than the ACC, everything about the CFP demonstrates it. This is just more evidence of that.

The same Big 12 that didn't get into the Playoff last year while the ACC champ did? The same Big 12 that, when it did get into the Playoff this year, had its "one true champion" get shellacked by the ACC's champion? LOL.

I think the more interesting question at this point is whether the Big 12 will continue with the round-robin 9 game schedule or consider splitting into two 5 team divisions and going back to an 8 game schedule. Depending on how they divide up the 10 teams they could try to minimize the possibility of penalizing the best team in the league by forcing them to have a rematch with the second place team (and thus increasing potential for blowing the league's access to the CFB), which is what will be guaranteed in a non-division format. In a round-robin scenario if an 11-1 Oklahoma team had to play 10-2 Oklahoma State team as would've been the case this year it might have been a lose-lose proposition. A two loss OSU wouldn't have gotten into the playoff even if they'd beaten OU and OU's strength of schedule would've taken a hit since OSU would've gone from a two loss team to a three loss team had OU won.

Just my own little guess, but I think this is the result the B1G exactly wanted as it will make it easier to poach Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma or any combination of the three.

I think Big 12 expansion died today.

(01-13-2016 05:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Big 12 is obviously a more powerful conference than the ACC, everything about the CFP demonstrates it. This is just more evidence of that.

Put down the bong

Here's a possible rumor. The AAC divides into two conferences. One is best of the rest in football. The other is made of academically elite colleges. Rice, Army, Air Force and Georgetown join the academic focused conference.

(01-13-2016 05:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Big 12 now officially on borrowed time.

It continues to be the New Big East right up to when the 3 good properties all flee and the undesirable leftovers get chunked into the midmajors.

And just like the BE, it could have been avoided if not for egos and terrible leadership.

Yes, Nebraska had terrible leadership and the Big 12 should never have let the Missouri President be head of the council. Should have sent Aggies and their egos to the SEC back in 1996.

(01-13-2016 06:02 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 05:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Big 12 is obviously a more powerful conference than the ACC, everything about the CFP demonstrates it. This is just more evidence of that.

Put down the bong

Well the SEC and B1G gave the Big 12 what it was asking for and refused to give the ACC what it asked for.

(01-13-2016 06:02 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Just my own little guess, but I think this is the result the B1G exactly wanted as it will make it easier to poach Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma or any combination of the three.

I think Big 12 expansion died today.

A ccg with 10 teams playing a RR makes no sense. There are some smart presidents and ADs. So expansion is not dead. Its back burner, but not dead.

There are some more valuable teams in football in the G5 than some of the P5 schools. The P5 schools are really foolish by leaving that money on the table.

Second, Big 12 really needs to expand, or boot West Virginia from the conference.

(01-13-2016 06:03 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Here's a possible rumor. The AAC divides into two conferences. One is best of the rest in football. The other is made of academically elite colleges. Rice, Army, Air Force and Georgetown join the academic focused conference.

Wouldn't you have to have at least seven teams in each of the offshoot conferences that had played together for a while to maintain an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament? I don't think a group of schools can just announce that they are forming a new league and then be assured of an autobid, which would seem to be hugely import, especially for the academically elite set of schools in your scenario. I guess you have a scenario where the less prominent football schools beg, borrow and steal there way into the new Big East and started a football league under that conference's auspices but I doubt very much that any of the Catholic 7 would want to go down the hybrid membership road again, especially with the relatively poor quality of basketball played by the non-SMU private schools in the AAC.