(01-14-2016 11:29 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 09:44 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Going along with the spirit of the op and predicting rumors......

Notre Dame lobbies Big 12 (behind closed doors) to vote against having a Conference Championship Game in order to preserve their place in the Power structure. BYU joins the AAC along with Army.

I am sorry, David. ND will not "lobby" the Big 12 and, if it did, the Big 12 would ignore it. No sale.

Lol!

(01-14-2016 11:01 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  I agree that this is good for the AAC so why did they vote against it?

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‏@BDavisAAS Bowlsby: "We had 7 of 9 affirmative votes." The ACC and American voted no. SEC and Big Ten were in.

UConn got The American's vote and were probably voting for their own interest. I don't think they were actually compelled to represent their conference.

G5 conferences aligning into more geographic sense.

(01-14-2016 11:40 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 11:29 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 09:44 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Going along with the spirit of the op and predicting rumors......

Notre Dame lobbies Big 12 (behind closed doors) to vote against having a Conference Championship Game in order to preserve their place in the Power structure. BYU joins the AAC along with Army.

I am sorry, David. ND will not "lobby" the Big 12 and, if it did, the Big 12 would ignore it. No sale.

Lol!

Ha. My bad and my apologies for the mis-identification.

(01-14-2016 11:43 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  G5 conferences aligning into more geographic sense.

Say more about this... Because, by-and-large, the "G5" conferences are more geographic than the "Power" conferences but I'm also not sure what shifts, exactly you would make.

(01-14-2016 11:53 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 11:43 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  G5 conferences aligning into more geographic sense.

Say more about this... Because, by-and-large, the "G5" conferences are more geographic than the "Power" conferences but I'm also not sure what shifts, exactly you would make.

Only thing that comes to mind immediately is Idaho and NMState leaving the Sun Belt...not by their choice. Idaho to the Big Sky if that happens?

UMass has a decision to make if the Sun Belt passes them over. How long can they schedule as an independent? They're good for a couple of years.

(01-13-2016 09:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 07:55 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The question is Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could be very unhappy, and could leave. Those 3 are the power horses in football right now with the fan support. The ACC schools will turn their nose up at the Big 12 because of the Longhorns Network.

Duke, Wake Forest and Miami do not have a chance in the other P5 conferences because of the lack of fan support.

As for the Big 12? The schools are not happy about the Longhorns Network. This voting went in favor of Texas, and not for the other schools. Bowlsby is a paid shill for Texas. I am seeing some internal issues in the Big 12 right now, and most of the blame is landing at the feet of Texas and with Bowlsby.

Of course, there is ZERO evidence that any of these schools are unhappy. ZERO. I would put this idle speculation in the same camp as those posters who a few years ago were predicting that the ACC would seldom see the CFP playoffs, much less a NC game.

There was talk that those three could have gone to the Big 12 before Maryland left for the Big 10. ACC does have a problem for football product that is hurting them for an ACC Network. How much money will the Big 10 and SEC will dangle at the top teams to leave?

Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, Syracuse and Oklahoma to the Big 10.

NC State, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Kansas to the SEC.

Louisville, East Carolina, USF, Memphis, UCF and Houston to the Big 12.

ACC would be left with Duke, Wake Forest, Miami, Boston College, Pittsburgh are still left. They could add Old Dominion, Tulane, Temple, Navy, Marshall, U. Mass., UAB, Southern Miss.

someones been drinking.

the thing to me that'll be interesting with the AAC- now that no one is going to the P5 for a while- how good can the conference get. Have 2 BCS/CFP wins in 3 years along with a national title in basketball. Will UConn/Cincy take more of a leadership role now in the conference and try to build the conference up rather than just look at it as a stepping stone?

(01-13-2016 05:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 05:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I could easily see the SEC and Big Ten think that the ACC is where the real $$$$ is at with expansion.

Aside from UT, OU, and KU, it's where all the potential $ is. But the limitation is that current members will start to say no before the conference size gets much bigger than 16, some might even say no to 16. No matter which conference it is, as soon as they start operating with 18 or 20 schools, someone's going to start thinking that a league with 9 or 10 would be a better idea. And the schools that might end up "on the wrong side" of any such split would be wise to think about voting no before the conference gets too large.

Agreed

I think ONLY the SEC and Big 10 benefit from getting bigger....they will eventually become the P2

For everyone else, what's the point of expanding further....? I think the desire to get into a smaller conference and add a championship game will sink in and dominate future expansion....

(01-14-2016 11:53 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 11:43 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  G5 conferences aligning into more geographic sense.

Say more about this... Because, by-and-large, the "G5" conferences are more geographic than the "Power" conferences but I'm also not sure what shifts, exactly you would make.

It makes no sense for the SBC and CUSA to be as spread as they are. they are probably the perfect example of what I'm talking about. If they were more compact they'd possibly get better bowls and maybe better regional exposure via a channel like ASN.

CUSA is far flung from Norfolk, VA to El Paso, TX. The Sunbelt is too, from Georgia Southern to Idaho. I'd make 2 geographic leagues out of the Sunbelt and CUSA.

Western G5
From the SBC - Texas State, NMSU, Ark State, ULL, ULM
From CUSA - UTEP, UTSA, UNT, LA Tech, USM, UAB, Rice

IMHO, UAB probably goes west this direction to be with USM and UTEP. NMSU works for all sports because they'd be a good travel partner for UTEP. They share an airport I believe. Idaho give up on FBS football.


Eastern G5
From the SBC - GSU, GA St, App State, Troy, USA
From CUSA - MU, ODU, UNCC, WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU

(01-14-2016 01:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing to me that'll be interesting with the AAC- now that no one is going to the P5 for a while- how good can the conference get. Have 2 BCS/CFP wins in 3 years along with a national title in basketball. Will UConn/Cincy take more of a leadership role now in the conference and try to build the conference up rather than just look at it as a stepping stone?

AAC is a good football and basketball conference (and I think in baseball also) but there isn't much you can do when the Cartel is holding all of the cards. Not convinced the realignment is over though. Especially with the BIG TV negotiations on deck.

I think this means the Big XII has officially removed themselves from expansion. They will forever more have an inaccurate Conference name.

Everyone else stands pat....

I think the wheels could be turning with C-USA though...

I could easily see the 7 Eastern schools (W. Kentucky, Marshall, M. Tennessee State, FIU, FAU, Old Dominion and Charlotte) leave and add 3 schools from the following group:

Ohio
Buffalo
Appalachian State
Georgia State
UMass

Not sure what the western teams would do...

The ACC is now the one ripe for poaching - the B12 teams have their cake and eat it too - so the next frontier - going to 16 - is where the B1G and SEC go to retain their superiority -

So I see the SEC going after Florida State (for FSU, better travel, more reliable top opponents) and NC State (similar travel, get out of UNC shadow)

The B1G goes after Georgia Tech (AAU school, Atlanta metro area - travel to major metro hubs easier than places like Penn St) and Virginia (also AAU, top academics), UNC (probably won't happen), then pick 'em from the ACC AAU programs-
small chance the B1G goes after GT or VA and then KS

The poached ACC adds UConn (no brainer), and Cinci to get to 12, then offers to WVU when GOR is up, not sure who 14 is

The Pac and B12 then remain quite stable - B12 grabbing BYU if WVU goes east.

(01-14-2016 03:40 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  The ACC is now the one ripe for poaching - the B12 teams have their cake and eat it too - so the next frontier - going to 16 - is where the B1G and SEC go to retain their superiority -

So I see the SEC going after Florida State (for FSU, better travel, more reliable top opponents) and NC State (similar travel, get out of UNC shadow)

The B1G goes after Georgia Tech (AAU school, Atlanta metro area - travel to major metro hubs easier than places like Penn St) and Virginia (also AAU, top academics), UNC (probably won't happen), then pick 'em from the ACC AAU programs-
small chance the B1G goes after GT or VA and then KS

The poached ACC adds UConn (no brainer), and Cinci to get to 12, then offers to WVU when GOR is up, not sure who 14 is

The Pac and B12 then remain quite stable - B12 grabbing BYU if WVU goes east.

I'm wondering if everyone unknowingly put a stop to 12+ conference expansion philosophies....I think ONLY the Big 10 and SEC benefit from becoming bigger now....

I think the PAC 12 is stuck

The Big XII will forever be happy with what they are (Boren be damned)

And the spotlight is on the ACC, like many other posters have said....

One thing for certain, is you're about to see ACC football get a lot better in the future. Clemson and FSU are at the top, Louisville is getting better, NC is growing to potential, Miami and Virginia just got new coaches with a lot of potential.

That said, with the absence of a TV network, how long before the football schools start thinking about bolting? I think the clock is ticking....the ACC has 11 years to either get a network, or everyone starts booking flights to another conference

FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Syracuse ---> New Conference
Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, GIT --> B1G
NC State & Virginia Tech --> SEC

If the conference doesn't get a TV network, what's the point of sticking around?

FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, and possibly Syracuse could easily engage talks with Houston, Cincinnati, and UConn about a new conference....

I think 10 teams with a championship game could easily be the new model

(01-13-2016 07:55 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  Of course, there is ZERO evidence that any of these schools are unhappy. ZERO.......

Sounds like you missed the statements from OU's President Boren.

(01-14-2016 11:01 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Brian Davis Verified account 
‏@BDavisAAS Bowlsby: "We had 7 of 9 affirmative votes." The ACC and American voted no. SEC and Big Ten were in.

It turns out that actually the SEC voted "no" - the ACC voted "yes".

(01-14-2016 04:53 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 07:55 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  Of course, there is ZERO evidence that any of these schools are unhappy. ZERO.......

Sounds like you missed the statements from OU's President Boren.

Um, I didn't miss anything. Sounds like you didn't read the whole post.

Go back and look at my post AND what I was responding to. I was specifically responding to DavidSt who speculated that Florida State, Clemson, and Georgia Tech could be very unhappy.

Last I heard, those schools were in the ACC not the B12, and President Boren is president of a B12 school. Am I correct?

President Boren was speaking about the B12, correct?

As I said, there is ZERO evidence that any of those schools (the ones being discussed here) are currently unhappy. ZERO.

(01-14-2016 11:01 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 08:50 AM)Maize Wrote:  The only thing this means in the short term is more P5 Stability...the Big XII isn't expanding and as long as a GoR exist nobody is going anywhere.

As for which is more powerful than who...doesn't really matter...it is the B1G & SEC with the other 3 lagging behind...but the 3 lagging behind and Notre Dame is making more money than ever before.

As for the G5...a win for the AAC...Now it is up to them to establish separation from the MWC, C-USA...

I agree that this is good for the AAC so why did they vote against it?

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‏@BDavisAAS Bowlsby: "We had 7 of 9 affirmative votes." The ACC and American voted no. SEC and Big Ten were in.

Navy was a much better team than Temple.

The Big 12 is circling the bottom of the bowl. UT's hand is on the flusher and they're about to pull the handle.

This is their last contract in the Big 12. I hope the rest of those schools have a place to land because the turbulence is going to be hell.

The ACC isn't ripe for any poaching. The SEC has no desire to poach from or break up the ACC. The BIG would like the Virginia and North Carolina market but no schools are interested in leaving the ACC. That conference is stable.