(05-16-2015 02:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:57 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Stanford's band is similar to many Ivy league bands in type and style. Similar to some other bands in the NE they are not actually a class like many other school bands. They are more of separate group that is given leave to act as the school band. I don't think they have had direct oversight by the school in a long time.

Well they got punished for acting like a fraternity.

They actually are very similar to a social fraternity. Also they are not the only band that has had similar issues. Check out Princeton's band. Similar in style and has been prevented from going to various places at various times. Also very well known (and infamous in some circles).

A friend of mind was on the school "welcoming committee" for visitors coming to Texas Tech back in the early 1980's. It sounds corny, but they went to the airport and literally rolled out a red carpet for visiting players as they got off the plane. This was before they had jet bridges.

When the University of Texas players came to Lubbock, they spat on the carpet and dropped a whole bunch of f-bombs at the Tech committee members.

Classy.

As a former band geek I've never been much of a fan of the scatter/comedy marching bands, or most college bands for that matter. Give me a good drum corps and I'll watch them over OSU (overrated) or any HBCU (not my taste) band every time.

(05-16-2015 08:47 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 02:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:57 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Stanford's band is similar to many Ivy league bands in type and style. Similar to some other bands in the NE they are not actually a class like many other school bands. They are more of separate group that is given leave to act as the school band. I don't think they have had direct oversight by the school in a long time.

Well they got punished for acting like a fraternity.

They actually are very similar to a social fraternity. Also they are not the only band that has had similar issues. Check out Princeton's band. Similar in style and has been prevented from going to various places at various times. Also very well known (and infamous in some circles).

The Florida A&M band beat a band member to death in a hazing ceremony. Several were indicted for murder. At least one has been convicted so far.

This kind of stuff isn't new

From 2008
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-...-trombones

Quote:1986: The Stanford University band -- officially the Leland Stanford Junior University Marching Band -- is suspended after three incidents: public urination at one game and the spelling out of offensive words in halftime formations in two others. In their first game back after the suspension, the band wears halos.

1990: The Stanford band is suspended for a game after a halftime show at the University of Oregon. Band members offended Oregon fans and officials with a formation in the shape of a chain saw, a reference to the battle over logging in the habitat of the threatened northern spotted owl.

Quote:1994: Stanford's band is disciplined after 19 members skip a rehearsal to play outside the Los Angeles County Courthouse during jury selection for the O.J. Simpson trial. The band's song selection included The Zombies' "She's Not There." Before the game against USC, band members drove a white Bronco sporting bloody handprints around the stadium.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/pa...l-response

Quote:To say the least, Princeton's mostly satirical marching band was not well received at the Citadel this past weekend. The culture clash led to several confrontations, a heartily booed football halftime show, and plenty of hard feelings.

The problems started as the band marched to the game. The Princeton musicians accidentally "scrambled" onto revered Citadel land (the "Avenue of Remembrance," a campus street that honors the college's war dead) and, coupled with "humor" of questionable taste and quality, managed to seriously provoke the Charleston cadets.

According to the Princeton band, the cadets attempted to intimidate the band—before, during, and after the game—by making homophobic and derogatory remarks, stealing musicians' hats, breaking a clarinet, and roughing up and spitting on band members. Later, the band was booed into oblivion at its halftime show. Check out all the angry YouTube glory here. After the game, the harassment reduced some of the band members to tears, ending only when police intervened.

Quote: Meanwhile, at least one local, a columnist with the Charleston Post and Courier newspaper, agreed that the band members took their irreverence too far.

Such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency.

...

The entire Corps of Cadets should be given a medal for standing up for their school.

The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.

(05-17-2015 09:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 08:47 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 02:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:57 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Stanford's band is similar to many Ivy league bands in type and style. Similar to some other bands in the NE they are not actually a class like many other school bands. They are more of separate group that is given leave to act as the school band. I don't think they have had direct oversight by the school in a long time.

Well they got punished for acting like a fraternity.

They actually are very similar to a social fraternity. Also they are not the only band that has had similar issues. Check out Princeton's band. Similar in style and has been prevented from going to various places at various times. Also very well known (and infamous in some circles).

The Florida A&M band beat a band member to death in a hazing ceremony. Several were indicted for murder. At least one has been convicted so far.

Hazing is a whole different problem that needs to be eliminated from many areas including bands. Wisconsin is another offender in this regard.

A scatter band. Penn and Princeton do the same thing. Everybody dresses differently, runs around and half plays. I guess it's supposed to be clever.

(05-16-2015 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  The Rice Marching Owl Band is similar to Stanford and made fun of A&M's traditions one time back in the 70s and had to get a police escort out of town.

The week of the Rice/A&M game that week Reveille (a dog the A&M mascot) died. At halftime The Mob formed a fire hydrant and played "Where Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone"....

Yeah they were trapped in the tunnel with fans on both ends. They had to be smuggled out in various vehicles from what I was told.

They were lucky to get out unscathed.

After the latest issue, where's the Cal kickoff team when you need them?

(05-16-2015 11:58 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I have probably seen The Play more often than the original Star Wars movie. The runner's knee wasn't down. But, Cal did have only 10 players on the field. Stanford had an extra player and about 50 drunken nerds who pretend to be a band on the field, and they still couldn't keep Cal from scoring.

How often do you watch the original Starwars movie?

(05-16-2015 01:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Is that when the Aggie pulled the sword on that kid?

No. That was when SMU cheerleaders did a cartwheel onto the field. A&M views their field as sacred, honoring war dead. That was when they pulled the sword on the cheerleaders.

Wait. [ spits coffee] What?!

How could anybody think that pulling a sword on somebody was even approaching being reasonable. 1. Who pulls a sword on someone?! I feel like that went out of style circa 1540. And, 2. Who pulls a weapon on someone for doing a flip on a field? I can only imagine what it's like to be at a table with that dude when a restaurant over cooks his steak.

(01-04-2016 12:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Is that when the Aggie pulled the sword on that kid?

No. That was when SMU cheerleaders did a cartwheel onto the field. A&M views their field as sacred, honoring war dead. That was when they pulled the sword on the cheerleaders.

Wait. [ spits coffee] What?!

How could anybody think that pulling a sword on somebody was even approaching being reasonable. 1. Who pulls a sword on someone?! I feel like that went out of style circa 1540. And, 2. Who pulls a weapon on someone for doing a flip on a field? I can only imagine what it's like to be at a table with that dude when a restaurant over cooks his steak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLM6UFrVPrU

Oddly, most of the Aggies I know side with the kid who pulled the sword. To Aggies being one is living a dream. To outsiders it is a cult.

But, credit where credit is due, Aggies do really take care of one another in the workplace.

I've seen about a fourth of the SWAC school bands. They are fun to watch but musically... they play loud. I'm hard of hearing and even I can tell they aren't musically strong, but I doubt many bands could be expected to march so much and play well. The pace the musicians are asked to keep while playing is very demanding. Know a kid on the UAPB and he said he thought at first he was going to die during August practices, then just wished he would. He was a high school athlete and he's in the best shape of his life.

Scatter bands, I'm unimpressed. They peaked in the 70's, now free speech, free expression is so engrained in colleges today that being subversive isn't a thing any more. There really isn't any way left to perform in a shocking way today without resorting to memes that appeal to stereotypes and when you are private colleges with tuition in excess of the median household income, too many of the performances today come off as affluenza.

(01-04-2016 12:58 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Is that when the Aggie pulled the sword on that kid?

No. That was when SMU cheerleaders did a cartwheel onto the field. A&M views their field as sacred, honoring war dead. That was when they pulled the sword on the cheerleaders.

Wait. [ spits coffee] What?!

How could anybody think that pulling a sword on somebody was even approaching being reasonable. 1. Who pulls a sword on someone?! I feel like that went out of style circa 1540. And, 2. Who pulls a weapon on someone for doing a flip on a field? I can only imagine what it's like to be at a table with that dude when a restaurant over cooks his steak.

It was over 30 years ago. If I recall though they still wear swords at the games they are secured in a manner that they cannot draw them.

At least while in the stadium.

(05-16-2015 12:42 PM)justinslot Wrote:  The Stanford band, man...is there anything more entertaining than a bunch of hyperentitled kids who think they're hilarious?

Wait--I said entertaining. I meant hateful.

If a college band hurts your feelings that much then you aren't cut out to make it in this world son.

(05-17-2015 03:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This kind of stuff isn't new

From 2008
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-...-trombones

Quote:1986: The Stanford University band -- officially the Leland Stanford Junior University Marching Band -- is suspended after three incidents: public urination at one game and the spelling out of offensive words in halftime formations in two others. In their first game back after the suspension, the band wears halos.

1990: The Stanford band is suspended for a game after a halftime show at the University of Oregon. Band members offended Oregon fans and officials with a formation in the shape of a chain saw, a reference to the battle over logging in the habitat of the threatened northern spotted owl.

Quote:1994: Stanford's band is disciplined after 19 members skip a rehearsal to play outside the Los Angeles County Courthouse during jury selection for the O.J. Simpson trial. The band's song selection included The Zombies' "She's Not There." Before the game against USC, band members drove a white Bronco sporting bloody handprints around the stadium.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/pa...l-response

Quote:To say the least, Princeton's mostly satirical marching band was not well received at the Citadel this past weekend. The culture clash led to several confrontations, a heartily booed football halftime show, and plenty of hard feelings.

The problems started as the band marched to the game. The Princeton musicians accidentally "scrambled" onto revered Citadel land (the "Avenue of Remembrance," a campus street that honors the college's war dead) and, coupled with "humor" of questionable taste and quality, managed to seriously provoke the Charleston cadets.

According to the Princeton band, the cadets attempted to intimidate the band—before, during, and after the game—by making homophobic and derogatory remarks, stealing musicians' hats, breaking a clarinet, and roughing up and spitting on band members. Later, the band was booed into oblivion at its halftime show. Check out all the angry YouTube glory here. After the game, the harassment reduced some of the band members to tears, ending only when police intervened.

Quote: Meanwhile, at least one local, a columnist with the Charleston Post and Courier newspaper, agreed that the band members took their irreverence too far.

Such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency.

...

The entire Corps of Cadets should be given a medal for standing up for their school.

The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.

Big fan of homophobic slurs and intimidation in South Carolina huh?

(01-05-2016 11:57 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 03:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This kind of stuff isn't new

From 2008
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-...-trombones

Quote:1986: The Stanford University band -- officially the Leland Stanford Junior University Marching Band -- is suspended after three incidents: public urination at one game and the spelling out of offensive words in halftime formations in two others. In their first game back after the suspension, the band wears halos.

1990: The Stanford band is suspended for a game after a halftime show at the University of Oregon. Band members offended Oregon fans and officials with a formation in the shape of a chain saw, a reference to the battle over logging in the habitat of the threatened northern spotted owl.

Quote:1994: Stanford's band is disciplined after 19 members skip a rehearsal to play outside the Los Angeles County Courthouse during jury selection for the O.J. Simpson trial. The band's song selection included The Zombies' "She's Not There." Before the game against USC, band members drove a white Bronco sporting bloody handprints around the stadium.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/pa...l-response

Quote:To say the least, Princeton's mostly satirical marching band was not well received at the Citadel this past weekend. The culture clash led to several confrontations, a heartily booed football halftime show, and plenty of hard feelings.

The problems started as the band marched to the game. The Princeton musicians accidentally "scrambled" onto revered Citadel land (the "Avenue of Remembrance," a campus street that honors the college's war dead) and, coupled with "humor" of questionable taste and quality, managed to seriously provoke the Charleston cadets.

According to the Princeton band, the cadets attempted to intimidate the band—before, during, and after the game—by making homophobic and derogatory remarks, stealing musicians' hats, breaking a clarinet, and roughing up and spitting on band members. Later, the band was booed into oblivion at its halftime show. Check out all the angry YouTube glory here. After the game, the harassment reduced some of the band members to tears, ending only when police intervened.

Quote: Meanwhile, at least one local, a columnist with the Charleston Post and Courier newspaper, agreed that the band members took their irreverence too far.

Such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency.

...

The entire Corps of Cadets should be given a medal for standing up for their school.

The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.

Big fan of homophobic slurs and intimidation in South Carolina huh?

WTH are you talking about. Where did you get that take?

(01-05-2016 12:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:57 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 03:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This kind of stuff isn't new

From 2008
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-...-trombones

Quote:1986: The Stanford University band -- officially the Leland Stanford Junior University Marching Band -- is suspended after three incidents: public urination at one game and the spelling out of offensive words in halftime formations in two others. In their first game back after the suspension, the band wears halos.

1990: The Stanford band is suspended for a game after a halftime show at the University of Oregon. Band members offended Oregon fans and officials with a formation in the shape of a chain saw, a reference to the battle over logging in the habitat of the threatened northern spotted owl.

Quote:1994: Stanford's band is disciplined after 19 members skip a rehearsal to play outside the Los Angeles County Courthouse during jury selection for the O.J. Simpson trial. The band's song selection included The Zombies' "She's Not There." Before the game against USC, band members drove a white Bronco sporting bloody handprints around the stadium.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/pa...l-response

Quote:To say the least, Princeton's mostly satirical marching band was not well received at the Citadel this past weekend. The culture clash led to several confrontations, a heartily booed football halftime show, and plenty of hard feelings.

The problems started as the band marched to the game. The Princeton musicians accidentally "scrambled" onto revered Citadel land (the "Avenue of Remembrance," a campus street that honors the college's war dead) and, coupled with "humor" of questionable taste and quality, managed to seriously provoke the Charleston cadets.

According to the Princeton band, the cadets attempted to intimidate the band—before, during, and after the game—by making homophobic and derogatory remarks, stealing musicians' hats, breaking a clarinet, and roughing up and spitting on band members. Later, the band was booed into oblivion at its halftime show. Check out all the angry YouTube glory here. After the game, the harassment reduced some of the band members to tears, ending only when police intervened.

Quote: Meanwhile, at least one local, a columnist with the Charleston Post and Courier newspaper, agreed that the band members took their irreverence too far.

Such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency.

...

The entire Corps of Cadets should be given a medal for standing up for their school.

The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.

Big fan of homophobic slurs and intimidation in South Carolina huh?

WTH are you talking about. Where did you get that take?

By reading what was posted.

(01-05-2016 12:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 12:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:57 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 03:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This kind of stuff isn't new

From 2008
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-...-trombones

Quote:1986: The Stanford University band -- officially the Leland Stanford Junior University Marching Band -- is suspended after three incidents: public urination at one game and the spelling out of offensive words in halftime formations in two others. In their first game back after the suspension, the band wears halos.

1990: The Stanford band is suspended for a game after a halftime show at the University of Oregon. Band members offended Oregon fans and officials with a formation in the shape of a chain saw, a reference to the battle over logging in the habitat of the threatened northern spotted owl.

Quote:1994: Stanford's band is disciplined after 19 members skip a rehearsal to play outside the Los Angeles County Courthouse during jury selection for the O.J. Simpson trial. The band's song selection included The Zombies' "She's Not There." Before the game against USC, band members drove a white Bronco sporting bloody handprints around the stadium.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/pa...l-response

Quote:To say the least, Princeton's mostly satirical marching band was not well received at the Citadel this past weekend. The culture clash led to several confrontations, a heartily booed football halftime show, and plenty of hard feelings.

The problems started as the band marched to the game. The Princeton musicians accidentally "scrambled" onto revered Citadel land (the "Avenue of Remembrance," a campus street that honors the college's war dead) and, coupled with "humor" of questionable taste and quality, managed to seriously provoke the Charleston cadets.

According to the Princeton band, the cadets attempted to intimidate the band—before, during, and after the game—by making homophobic and derogatory remarks, stealing musicians' hats, breaking a clarinet, and roughing up and spitting on band members. Later, the band was booed into oblivion at its halftime show. Check out all the angry YouTube glory here. After the game, the harassment reduced some of the band members to tears, ending only when police intervened.

Quote: Meanwhile, at least one local, a columnist with the Charleston Post and Courier newspaper, agreed that the band members took their irreverence too far.

Such a show of contempt deserved to be booed even by an objective audience. Their show, which included band members humping each other on the field, crossed several lines of respect and decency.

...

The entire Corps of Cadets should be given a medal for standing up for their school.

The Princeton Band, meanwhile, should be ashamed. All those pseudo-intellectuals and not a single brain among them.

Big fan of homophobic slurs and intimidation in South Carolina huh?

WTH are you talking about. Where did you get that take?

By reading what was posted.

He posted varying multiple incidents of poor band behavior. Princeton band started the problem, so I guess you are a fan of that?