they were still 3-0. I guess maybe they were worthy after all.

Good point!

(01-01-2016 03:09 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  they were still 3-0. I guess maybe they were worthy after all.

Yes and no. 5-7 does not mean a crappy team if their schedule was brutal or they lost a lot early and went on a run. The problem isn't their worthiness in a game. It's the deservedness of a reward for a subpar season. If you are in the SEC and you aren't going to win your division you have no motivation past winning 5-6 games because you are going to a bowl likely at 5 wins and definitely at 6.

Teams that make bowls are rewarded with extra practice time, extra real game experience to build on next year. The bar should be higher to earn that privilege. If not, why not just give everyone the extra practice time in December? They're already giving almost everyone a bowl.

You should have a winning record to go bowling. Problem is ESPN needs more content around the holidays so they created 40 bowl games. They will never go away unless ESPN loses money on them, which likely won't happen.

Please no more new bowls.

I'm okay with bowls being replaced with others.

The Austin bowl doesn't need to happen.

A team motivated by "everyone says you don't deserve to be here" versus a team demotivated by "we make a bowl and have to play a crap team with a losing record".

Right or wrong, that happens.

(01-01-2016 03:32 PM)banker Wrote:  A team motivated by "everyone says you don't deserve to be here" versus a team demotivated by "we make a bowl and have to play a crap team with a losing record".

Right or wrong, that happens.

Also a good point.

(01-01-2016 03:26 PM)SApuro Wrote:  Please no more new bowls.

I'm okay with bowls being replaced with others.

The Austin bowl doesn't need to happen.

the Little Rock bowl should happen (AAC vs Sun Belt, I believe) and the Bahamas Bowl needs to go away.

(01-01-2016 04:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 03:26 PM)SApuro Wrote:  Please no more new bowls.

I'm okay with bowls being replaced with others.

The Austin bowl doesn't need to happen.

the Little Rock bowl should happen (AAC vs Sun Belt, I believe) and the Bahamas Bowl needs to go away.

I could see a bowl in LR being successful. The red wolves would pack the house. Agree the Bahamas Bowl needs to be replaced.

Bowl games are overrated. They mean right next to nothing and are just an ESPN money grab.

(01-01-2016 06:37 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  Bowl games are overrated. They mean right next to nothing and are just an ESPN money grab.

"saturation" is the word you are looking for.....

however, it has created more D1 teams along with g5 inclusion more than ever.....

granted, it's a double edged sword......but it's 21st century eyeballs that still allow it to happen....

I love it from the gambler perspective......blowout friday has been a Live In-Play gem for my arse....

(01-01-2016 03:40 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 03:32 PM)banker Wrote:  A team motivated by "everyone says you don't deserve to be here" versus a team demotivated by "we make a bowl and have to play a crap team with a losing record".

Right or wrong, that happens.

Also a good point.

I think I'd be more motivated to not lose to a 5-7 team.

I agree with the argument to reduce the number of bowls. I just won't bash the 5-7 teams that qualify because of a lack of 6-6 or better teams.

(01-01-2016 06:37 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  Bowl games are overrated. They mean right next to nothing and are just an ESPN money grab.

I disagree. They are very important to the teams because they get extra practices.

(01-01-2016 06:37 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  Bowl games are overrated. They mean right next to nothing and are just an ESPN money grab.

bowl games are as much for the alumni as they are for the teams. the planet won't spin off into space if we have a few more bowl games, and the country won't collapse if we don't have a definitive #1 college football team in the country.

I'm perfectly content to let espn make a few bucks if my alma mater gets a post season game.

With all these bowls though, having a year of 3 5-7 teams should be rare. I think it's a sign to stop adding them, but not to cut them down. Cutting the bowls down? Well, like right now, if we don't have a REAL playoff (just a semi-finals to a national championship game is a single play off game) -- and with us going by a bowl system, you can't complain. Even having 7-5 teams play bowls is just an extra post-season OOC game anyway, right? Fillers for the big ones, so who cares.

Even in basketball now, with the added smaller tourneys, they'll take P5 teams under .500 to play in them above .500 G5s.

One solution which is my dream, is to have sets 8-team tourneys in football, not 1-game "bowls". Follow basketball and all other sports.

1. National Championship 8-team (actual) PLAYOFF Tournament [No More than 2 from same conference; 1 From all P5 Conf Champs]
2. Elite 8-Team Tournament [No More than 2 from same conference]

3. G5 Championship Tournament [for those who don't qualify for National Champ Tourney or possibly Elite one if they wish the above; No more than 2-same-conf]
4. General [Insert Sponsor Name Here] Tourney (Always 1+ G5)
5. General [Insert Sponsor Name Here] Tourney (Always 2+ G5s)
6. General [Insert Sponsor Name Here] Tourney (Always 2+ G5s)
7. General [Insert Sponsor Name Here] Tourney (Always 4 G5s, 4 P5s)
8. General [Insert Sponsor Name Here] Tourney (No Rules, Free For All)

(Top 64 teams ONLY -- 8 )

Each Tourney runs 3 weeks. Scheduled to make the most out of watching, where National Champ Tournament sticks out in later part. Everyone would end up loving this.

EXAMPLE THIS YEAR:

NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNEY:
1. Clemson
8. Notre Dame

3. Michigan State
6. Stanford

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2. Alabama
7. Florida State

4. Oklahoma
5. Iowa

ELITE CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNEY:
1. Ohio State
8. Houston (If Houston Decides VS going to G5 Champ Tourney)

3. TCU
6. Oregon

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2. North Carolina
7. Oklahoma State

4. Ole Miss
5. Northwestern

G5 CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNEY:
1. Navy
8. Toledo

3. Western Kentucky
6. Bowling Green

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2. Temple
7. Arkansas State

4. BYU
5. San Diego State

GENERAL TOURNEY1:
1. Michigan
8. Memphis

3. Florida
6. USC

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2. Baylor
7. Wisconsin

4. LSU
5. Utah

GENERAL TOURNEY2:
1. Tennessee
8. UCLA

3. Washington State
6. Louisville

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2. Georgia
7. Pittsburgh

4. South Florida
5. Appalachian State

GENERAL TOURNEY3:
1. Arkansas
8. GA-Southern

3. Boise State
6. Marshall

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2. Mississippi State
7. Air Force

4. Southern Miss
5. Texas A&M

GENERAL TOURNEY4 [G5 vs P5]:
1. California
8. Northern Illinois

3. Penn State
6. Cincinnati

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2. Miami-FL
7. Western Michigan

4. Duke
5. LA-Tech

GENERAL TOURNEY5:
1. West Virginia
8. Middle Tennessee State

3. Kansas State
6. Central Michigan

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2. Texas Tech
7. Ohio

4. Indiana
5. New Mexico

Not bad...

(01-01-2016 03:24 PM)MU42 Wrote:  You should have a winning record to go bowling. Problem is ESPN needs more content around the holidays so they created 40 bowl games. They will never go away unless ESPN loses money on them, which likely won't happen.

Problem there is that a bowl with two 5-7 P5s likely outdraws a bowl with two 7-5 G5s, so if bowls go away it could easily be the ones we have association with.

While part of me thinks that there are too many, the biggest part of me loves the lesser bowls because the games are by and large better. Look at the major bowl games the past couple of years....the games were absolute cow smegma.

Look at the lesser bowls this year..WKU/USF, Marshall/UCONN, MTSU/wmu et al... I LOVE the little bowls

(01-01-2016 04:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 03:26 PM)SApuro Wrote:  Please no more new bowls.

I'm okay with bowls being replaced with others.

The Austin bowl doesn't need to happen.

the Little Rock bowl should happen (AAC vs Sun Belt, I believe) and the Bahamas Bowl needs to go away.

It won't though. Trying to get Little Rock to bring in a Sporting Event that doesn't involve the Razorbacks in some way is like pulling teeth.

Maybe it gets revisited if the Cure Bowl falls apart...but right now, I think the Sun Belt is pretty set on putting all its eggs in the Charleston Bowl basket with the addition of Coastal Carolina.

Quote:Problem there is that a bowl with two 5-7 P5s likely outdraws a bowl with two 7-5 G5s, so if bowls go away it could easily be the ones we have association with.

True, but they go by GPA assessment or something like that amongst all the 5-7 P5s. Which is why San Jose State got in, and a P5 who had a 5-7 record as the 3rd one.

IMO, it kinda sucks, but isn't a horrible thing having 5-7s in those low-tier bowls. Nor will it happen very often if they stop adding bowls.

I would rather see 8 8-team playoffs (1st one being national championship one)... and as D1A/FBS grows, adding another 8-team playoff, instead of having 1-and-done bowls.