a second former Toledo Rocket football commit has decided to live amongst the corn.....

3 Star DE Eyioma Uwazurike from Southfield Lathrop (MI) is now listed a ISU commit and no longer on Toledo's list according to Rivals.

big time prospect, tough loss

(12-18-2015 07:34 PM)Terry Wrote:  a second former Toledo Rocket football commit has decided to live amongst the corn.....

3 Star DE Eyioma Uwazurike from Southfield Lathrop (MI) is now listed a ISU commit and no longer on Toledo's list according to Rivals.

Campbell will take as many as he can. He doesn't give a crap about Toledo.

(12-18-2015 11:17 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:34 PM)Terry Wrote:  a second former Toledo Rocket football commit has decided to live amongst the corn.....

3 Star DE Eyioma Uwazurike from Southfield Lathrop (MI) is now listed a ISU commit and no longer on Toledo's list according to Rivals.

Campbell will take as many as he can. He doesn't give a crap about Toledo.

I doubt that he will try for all them----just the 3 star players and a few 2 star players where they may be a bit thin. And why should he give a crap about Toledo? That is part of his past and now he is totally focused on his future.

(12-18-2015 11:45 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 11:17 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:34 PM)Terry Wrote:  a second former Toledo Rocket football commit has decided to live amongst the corn.....

3 Star DE Eyioma Uwazurike from Southfield Lathrop (MI) is now listed a ISU commit and no longer on Toledo's list according to Rivals.

Campbell will take as many as he can. He doesn't give a crap about Toledo.

I doubt that he will try for all them----just the 3 star players and a few 2 star players where they may be a bit thin. And why should he give a crap about Toledo? That is part of his past and now he is totally focused on his future.

How does a power five school win games with group of five commits? If I was an ISU fan I would be very concerned.

(12-18-2015 11:17 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:34 PM)Terry Wrote:  a second former Toledo Rocket football commit has decided to live amongst the corn.....

3 Star DE Eyioma Uwazurike from Southfield Lathrop (MI) is now listed a ISU commit and no longer on Toledo's list according to Rivals.

Campbell will take as many as he can. He doesn't give a crap about Toledo.

I read where former bg coach Dino Babers said it was taboo to mess with his former school's recruits. Even if he was the coach at bg, he was a class act. Can't say the same for our former coach (what's his name?).

We're going to see just how good a recruiter Candle really is. If he can quickly fill the holes that are developing in this class with solid MAC-level talent, (maybe even stealing a few recruits from others), then under the circumstances I'll be quite impressed. Won't be much time for him to work his magic after this dead period. If recruiting was the primary reason he was promoted to head coach, he has to deliver.

I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

(12-19-2015 12:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

I believe that's what part of the buy-outs are for.

(12-19-2015 12:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

If they would sue over this, a practice that appears to be quite common and hasn't been challenged by schools with, you know, money, why would anyone be upset if the university itself got sued to challenge its hiring process for HC position? You really think it would pass even the university's fair hiring process test?

This might be a dog best let to sleep. Many if not most future recruits would see it as the university trying to limit a student's opportunities. Money is spend on academic recruiting and those students are free to choose any school at any time. The university doesn't own them. The only recourse the university would have within athletics I'd imagine would reside within NCAA by-laws and again, I think they'd lose the propaganda war on that if they tried to push any generally not used rules.

(12-19-2015 07:41 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 11:45 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 11:17 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:34 PM)Terry Wrote:  a second former Toledo Rocket football commit has decided to live amongst the corn.....

3 Star DE Eyioma Uwazurike from Southfield Lathrop (MI) is now listed a ISU commit and no longer on Toledo's list according to Rivals.

Campbell will take as many as he can. He doesn't give a crap about Toledo.

I doubt that he will try for all them----just the 3 star players and a few 2 star players where they may be a bit thin. And why should he give a crap about Toledo? That is part of his past and now he is totally focused on his future.

How does a power five school win games with group of five commits? If I was an ISU fan I would be very concerned.

Right now there is barely a month and a half before signing day----these guys are used to cultivating potential recruits over periods of years, not weeks so at this stage I suspect Campbell is going after what he thinks he can get and what he knows which certainly includes Toledo recruits. Eventually he will probably set his sights higher but for now he is in super hurry up mode and taking what he can get where he can find it.

Looking a Iowa State's record for the past several years, I wonder how great their recent recruits have been anyway. Maybe a few 3 star players look pretty good to them. At a place like Iowa State where football has been so bad for so long and expectations have been beaten so far down, it doesn't take much to look like a hero and I suspect that was one aspect that attracted Campbell to the job.

(12-19-2015 08:23 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We're going to see just how good a recruiter Candle really is. If he can quickly fill the holes that are developing in this class with solid MAC-level talent, (maybe even stealing a few recruits from others), then under the circumstances I'll be quite impressed. Won't be much time for him to work his magic after this dead period. If recruiting was the primary reason he was promoted to head coach, he has to deliver.

Indeed, an excellent opportunity indeed to see how much of this highly vaunted Toledo recruiting prowess was Candle and how much was Campbell. At this late date I would also not be too surprised to see a few JC transfers join the roster if too many holes open up.

(12-19-2015 07:41 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 11:45 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 11:17 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:34 PM)Terry Wrote:  a second former Toledo Rocket football commit has decided to live amongst the corn.....

3 Star DE Eyioma Uwazurike from Southfield Lathrop (MI) is now listed a ISU commit and no longer on Toledo's list according to Rivals.

Campbell will take as many as he can. He doesn't give a crap about Toledo.

I doubt that he will try for all them----just the 3 star players and a few 2 star players where they may be a bit thin. And why should he give a crap about Toledo? That is part of his past and now he is totally focused on his future.

How does a power five school win games with group of five commits? If I was an ISU fan I would be very concerned.

I think Campbell's recruits were good enough to really rise us up to an elite level.
The kids he targeted at Toledo were the type that would always play at "bigger" programs.

(12-19-2015 12:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

This is ridiculous.
Recruits are free to commit anywhere they are fortunate to have offers to up until they sign on the dotted line on signing day.

(12-19-2015 05:19 PM)owen Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 12:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

This is ridiculous.
Recruits are free to commit anywhere they are fortunate to have offers to up until they sign on the dotted line on signing day.

Nothing ridiculous here. Recruits are free to commit anywhere according to the rules that the NCAA creates (such as binding LOIs), so the NCAA could certainly create another rule. And even if the NCAA chose not to prohibit a kid from following a coach, another avenue would be to prohibit a coach from contacting a player that he had formerly recruited for another school. Plenty of approaches, if the NCAA chose to stop this practice (which it won't).

As to whether Campbell can win with UT targets, I'm not sure. But I know that a lot of Toledo's current players are good enough that they could have helped Iowa State.

In order to prohibit de-commits, NCAA would have to make a stand that recruits sign for the academics, not the sports degree. Your punishment for de-committing is loss of a year of athletics.

I'm of two minds on this. Sports are a burgeoning career, degree in the field or not. If a University's star Professor leaves, students who signed on to attend that university are not obligated to stay nor are they obligated to wait out a year if they follow that Professor.

College sports needs better definition, is it business or is it somewhere you go to learn?

Lembo is leaving Ball State to go to Maryland. Maybe Campbell can now start poaching BSU recruits instead of our guys.

(12-19-2015 04:00 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 12:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

If they would sue over this, a practice that appears to be quite common and hasn't been challenged by schools with, you know, money, why would anyone be upset if the university itself got sued to challenge its hiring process for HC position? You really think it would pass even the university's fair hiring process test?

This might be a dog best let to sleep. Many if not most future recruits would see it as the university trying to limit a student's opportunities. Money is spend on academic recruiting and those students are free to choose any school at any time. The university doesn't own them. The only recourse the university would have within athletics I'd imagine would reside within NCAA by-laws and again, I think they'd lose the propaganda war on that if they tried to push any generally not used rules.

Guys don't get your pants in a big wad. Campbell had very little in his freshman class coming in, he needs players, so we loss a couple of guys, big deal. We red shirted 90% of the freshman class. Don't panic. We are in a bowl game and ISU isn't and won't be for a long time. Merry Christmas.

(12-22-2015 04:44 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:00 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 12:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

If they would sue over this, a practice that appears to be quite common and hasn't been challenged by schools with, you know, money, why would anyone be upset if the university itself got sued to challenge its hiring process for HC position? You really think it would pass even the university's fair hiring process test?

This might be a dog best let to sleep. Many if not most future recruits would see it as the university trying to limit a student's opportunities. Money is spend on academic recruiting and those students are free to choose any school at any time. The university doesn't own them. The only recourse the university would have within athletics I'd imagine would reside within NCAA by-laws and again, I think they'd lose the propaganda war on that if they tried to push any generally not used rules.

Guys don't get your pants in a big wad. Campbell had very little in his freshman class coming in, he needs players, so we loss a couple of guys, big deal. We red shirted 90% of the freshman class. Don't panic. We are in a bowl game and ISU isn't and won't be for a long time. Merry Christmas.

I agree about not getting too worked up (this is how coaching transitions work), but Campbell is going after UT de-commits because Toledo had a BETTER recruiting class than ISU. Don't downplay the talent at/coming to UT. From an EXPOSURE standpoint UT Football had one of their most successful seasons in the past 20 years. They have a TON of talent coming back (especially on Offense), and a HC in Candle that is known for recruiting.

Time to fill out the staff, complete the recruiting class, and start getting even better for next year. Let's double down on our Rockets and take this program to the next level!

(12-22-2015 04:44 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:00 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 12:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I know this would never happen, but it would be interesting if UT sued Campbell and Iowa State if any Rockets commitments signed with them. You might be able to make a case that UT funds were used to recruit these players and that Campbell used Toledo's time and money to develop relationships with the players. When he left, he took advantage of the relationships developed on UT's dime.

Whether this would work or not is questionable, but it would be fun to see it shake up the world of college football

You could also put a non-compete clause in a coaches' contract that would keep him from signing any players that UT was recruiting for a one year period after he left.

If they would sue over this, a practice that appears to be quite common and hasn't been challenged by schools with, you know, money, why would anyone be upset if the university itself got sued to challenge its hiring process for HC position? You really think it would pass even the university's fair hiring process test?

This might be a dog best let to sleep. Many if not most future recruits would see it as the university trying to limit a student's opportunities. Money is spend on academic recruiting and those students are free to choose any school at any time. The university doesn't own them. The only recourse the university would have within athletics I'd imagine would reside within NCAA by-laws and again, I think they'd lose the propaganda war on that if they tried to push any generally not used rules.

Guys don't get your pants in a big wad.

Learn to read.