(12-14-2015 09:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 06:54 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 05:40 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 04:43 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 04:37 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Was anyone really embarrassed about to NCAA's "selective prosecution"? Do you think Syracuse and UNC are embarrassed? Seriously I don't get the embarrassed part. Maybe if we had one player murdering another player like what happened at Baylor I'd be embarrassed. A brother getting a free plane ticket and a questionable ACT test don't embarrass me.

Oh no, I definitely wasn't. I just meant that Josh is going to represent the program in a positive light. That is worth something.

Not really unless he wins big

You're right. Being a decent guy is in no way worth anything.

Not when it comes to big time sports coaching

Then you've never seen these guys work boosters or spend time with players and their families.

I've heard more than a dozen announcers over multiple decades compliment Memphis fans in the stands for being knowledgeable. And I've read posts on here that say what a good job Josh is doing and how he's just a little shy of elite. But you know something? Ten thousand empty seats tell me both views can't be right.

(12-14-2015 10:52 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I've heard more than a dozen announcers over multiple decades compliment Memphis fans in the stands for being knowledgeable. And I've read posts on here that say what a good job Josh is doing and how he's just a little shy of elite. But you know something? Ten thousand empty seats tell me both views can't be right.

The coaching market sayes he is far from elite as well

There seems to be no shortage of less than elite coaches this season.

On the other hand, there seems to be a plethora of elite fans who claim to be able to read the coach's minds.

I don't think there are many Memphis that don't want pastner to succeed. We dropped out tickets because our family grew and it was tough to even watch the game. Another factor was that it was frustrating to watch. Defensive intensity lacked and that's not Tiger basketball. Lastly our tickets with the donation was around $1,500 a seat. With five of us it just didn't make sense

Pastner is fine. I truly believe Memphis fans are proud he's our coach. It's taken him longer than probably anyone expected to improve his coaching. He's paid a ton and truly hasn't earned it

With that said he will win the fans back. If the team keeps improving the fans will be back

at this point, imo, the powers that be are merely trying to save face for paying JP as much. I mean what are they going to say? we realize we payed him too much

this whole thing got bass ackwards. and for that, what else do you think josh is going to say? I'm payed too much

someone cringes on a daily basis about the decision made to pay JP what he's currently making. like the small bass: it bites before the big bass.

/if JP knew he was leaving for his dream job in the middle of the season, would we ever know the difference?

(12-15-2015 12:09 AM)Memphis Bunch Wrote:  I don't think there are many Memphis that don't want pastner to succeed. We dropped out tickets because our family grew and it was tough to even watch the game. Another factor was that it was frustrating to watch. Defensive intensity lacked and that's not Tiger basketball. Lastly our tickets with the donation was around $1,500 a seat. With five of us it just didn't make sense

Pastner is fine. I truly believe Memphis fans are proud he's our coach. It's taken him longer than probably anyone expected to improve his coaching. He's paid a ton and truly hasn't earned it

With that said he will win the fans back. If the team keeps improving the fans will be back

Agree with your assessment.

I don't know, getting smashed by UCONN and UC every time we played them in 2013-14 along with being taken to the woodshed 2 years in a row in the NCAAt is something other than "just short of elite" in my mind.

You can ignore the Louisville wins too, if you want to frame it that way.

Yes, the wins against UL were good wins, as was avenging the loss to Ok St. And I thought we played well enough to put ourselves in a position to win against UF. I just wouldn't characterize that season as "just short of elite". As has been the trend under JP, too many blow-outs. Close losses in the tournament to elite teams is "just short of elite". Getting repeatedly drubbed is not.

(12-15-2015 11:04 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  I don't know, getting smashed by UCONN and UC every time we played them in 2013-14 along with being taken to the woodshed 2 years in a row in the NCAAt is something other than "just short of elite" in my mind.

I live 700 miles away and can't attend games. But I was able to make it to the 2014 conference tourney in Memphis as well as last year's Wichita game in South Dakota.

My take on those two games--the team looked unprepared both times and that seemed to be the sentiment of the vast majority at the tourney game. Against Wichita State we had that deer-in-the-headlights clueless look. And yes, I understand that UConn was the eventual NC and Wichita was great last year as well, but I don't think that excuses what I saw--a general state of confusion and lack of focus.

Both games were embarassments imho.

Overall we seem better than last year, but that's a low bar. I hope we keep improving.

(12-15-2015 12:08 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  Yes, the wins against UL were good wins, as was avenging the loss to Ok St. And I thought we played well enough to put ourselves in a position to win against UF. I just wouldn't characterize that season as "just short of elite". As has been the trend under JP, too many blow-outs. Close losses in the tournament to elite teams is "just short of elite". Getting repeatedly drubbed is not.

5-22 against top 25 teams tells all I need to know.. I like the guy.. He has done some good things outside of Coaching.. I think he will be an assistant somewhere when all is said and done!!

(12-15-2015 12:22 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:04 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  I don't know, getting smashed by UCONN and UC every time we played them in 2013-14 along with being taken to the woodshed 2 years in a row in the NCAAt is something other than "just short of elite" in my mind.

I live 700 miles away and can't attend games. But I was able to make it to the 2014 conference tourney in Memphis as well as last year's Wichita game in South Dakota.

My take on those two games--the team looked unprepared both times and that seemed to be the sentiment of the vast majority at the tourney game. Against Wichita State we had that deer-in-the-headlights clueless look. And yes, I understand that UConn was the eventual NC and Wichita was great last year as well, but I don't think that excuses what I saw--a general state of confusion and lack of focus.

Both games were embarassments imho.

Overall we seem better than last year, but that's a low bar. I hope we keep improving.

I agree with this. I am cautiously optimistic that things will be different this year, but realistically, I expect more of the same at this point. I'm not going to get carried away with beating up on teams with a combined 2 wins. I have seen some things this year that I like, but also some of the same issues that have remained since day one. It will become clearer once we get into conference play. We are going to have our hands full with UCONN and UC again, I'm afraid. I want to see us look prepared and focused when it matters, even if we happen to lose a close one. That would show me progress.

(12-15-2015 02:27 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 12:22 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:04 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  I don't know, getting smashed by UCONN and UC every time we played them in 2013-14 along with being taken to the woodshed 2 years in a row in the NCAAt is something other than "just short of elite" in my mind.

I live 700 miles away and can't attend games. But I was able to make it to the 2014 conference tourney in Memphis as well as last year's Wichita game in South Dakota.

My take on those two games--the team looked unprepared both times and that seemed to be the sentiment of the vast majority at the tourney game. Against Wichita State we had that deer-in-the-headlights clueless look. And yes, I understand that UConn was the eventual NC and Wichita was great last year as well, but I don't think that excuses what I saw--a general state of confusion and lack of focus.

Both games were embarassments imho.

Overall we seem better than last year, but that's a low bar. I hope we keep improving.

I agree with this. I am cautiously optimistic that things will be different this year, but realistically, I expect more of the same at this point. I'm not going to get carried away with beating up on teams with a combined 2 wins. I have seen some things this year that I like, but also some of the same issues that have remained since day one. It will become clearer once we get into conference play. We are going to have our hands full with UCONN and UC again, I'm afraid. I want to see us look prepared and focused when it matters, even if we happen to lose a close one. That would show me progress.

The Ole Miss game will be a good measuring stick as to how good we are IMO.

End of this season and into next season should be exciting.

(12-15-2015 02:31 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  End of this season and into next season should be exciting.

Not sure what this means. Next year ain't looking so good if Dedric turns pro

(12-15-2015 02:31 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  End of this season and into next season should be exciting.

I hope you are right. This program needs an injection of excitement. Attendance has been downright depressing.

(12-15-2015 02:35 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 02:31 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  End of this season and into next season should be exciting.

Not sure what this means. Next year ain't looking so good if Dedric turns pro

It took Doug Mcdermott leading the nation in scoring and being the 5th highest scoring player ever to be drafted at 11 2 years ago. Dedric is not much more athletic than Doug and nowhere near as skilled.

I am not sure if I would take Dedric over Wiltjer...But hey this is all my opinion.

(12-14-2015 02:07 PM)truest blue tiger Wrote:  I recall when Coach P 1st got the Memphis job, someone made the statement that it takes 10yrs to get 10yrs worth of experience. I know that a number of posters here just simply want coach gone, and I'm a believer that you will get your wish after this season. But if you can't see the growth in coach, you just don't want to see it.

I believe that he's finding his stride now as a coach, and that the style of play that's being played this year will be his identity, and he will recruit to fit this style. I think back to the JJ teams, and had we played the same way then, how successful would he have been. Once the new coach is in place, at least the cupboard won't be completely bare. But I think that coach is going to go on and have a great career. If we still don't achieve the level of success that we all desire, how much time should a new coach be given before we ask for a change. But one thing is for sure, we always seem to have success with coaches, and honestly, I still expect that. Sorry for any errors, I'm posting from my phone.

There has been absolutely ZERO improvement since he arrived. In fact, Pastner has gotten worse since he started. Some people are just not cut out to be a coach or it's just not his time yet. Nothing personal against him. It's just time to move on. Sorry, you can't see that but most of us with actual experience in playing and coaching and listen to the pulse of those surrounding Pastner know he isn't getting it done.

(12-15-2015 03:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 02:35 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 02:31 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  End of this season and into next season should be exciting.

Not sure what this means. Next year ain't looking so good if Dedric turns pro

It took Doug Mcdermott leading the nation in scoring and being the 5th highest scoring player ever to be drafted at 11 2 years ago. Dedric is not much more athletic than Doug and nowhere near as skilled.

I am not sure if I would take Dedric over Wiltjer...But hey this is all my opinion.

People like Parrish and Martin are already talking about him being one and done, so there's talk out there. The fact that he's just turned 18 makes his potential seem even brighter to NBA teams. You know how these front offices are